I’d love a static reveal board!
Magic of Myth ( MoM ) Luke RotJ Hero ( cave build ) lightsaber research, images, reference, & collaborative model builder's discussion.
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Just putting this out there, apologies if this has been pointed out before, but I'm 90% sure the triangles in the cave scene are rotoscoped. This suggests that the ones on the actual prop weren't functional. I was actually looking to see if I could spot any wires going up Hamill's sleeve, but on closer inspection, it looks as though the lights were almost certainly added in post. If they were actually lit, you'd expect them to cast some light on to the hilt body and the black buttons. Especially in a dark environment. Just a thought anyway. Not sure if it's been pointed out before?
I’ve got some parts coming soon that I’ll need to put together but will hopefully illustrate how all the lights and power could have fit in the control box itself.
Regarding lighting, and rotoscoping I’ll have to respectfully disagree.
Mark’s movements in the box and the way the corresponding lighting pattern shows up is indicative of practicals; which I hope I can show soon.
I’ll also put forward that the side lighting in the room reflecting on the aluminum body would have been strong enough to overcome the ambient glow from the arrows, but not the direct light output from the arrows themselves.
I say this because even a low voltage led will show up very well on camera as a direct light source, but wouldn’t be able to compete with natural, full spectrum secondary light source on the surfaces
that is another item I hope I can practically replicate in-camera
I don't mean to muddy the waters or anything. Certainly don't intend to undermine what you're doing either. Understand why they need to be lit in the MoM. I'm just interested in getting to the truth of the original prop. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen something that isn't there. I'm fairly convinced with this though. I'd expect at least some reflection on some of the surfaces. There isn't any though. Even when the hilt is in the shade. I'd at least expect to see some light reflected on the underside of the rail? Now that I've seen it, I can't unsee it. It doesn't even look like particularly good/polished rotoscoping, which kind of matches the blade at the end of the shot (which wasn't great). It's almost like when a layer is set to the wrong blend mode in photoshop. It just doesn't look convincing to me.
As always, I'm happy to be proven wrong. I'm going to have to agree to disagree for now though.
Very subtle secondary reflection on the hilt body underneath. More noticeable here with the red wavelength; or because the green area is hit with a more intense light.
I wouldn’t put it past them to have roto’d on top of it though.
Perhaps the light was so dim they did choose to amp it up
I wouldn’t put it past them to have roto’d on top of it though.
Perhaps the light was so dim they did choose to amp it up
Well. I stand corrected! Lol. I'd agree that it looks rotoscoped over the top too. There's just something about the glow that doesn't look natural. No denying there's a reflection there though. Thanks for the effort and apologies for wasting your time. Great work.
Don’t apologize!
When folks put tough questions/hypothesis/theories forward I’m just trying to challenge and get under the surface of the question regardless...
If the questions aren’t posed then we’re also not challenged to dig deeper
Couldn't have put it better myself!Don’t apologize!
When folks put tough questions/hypothesis/theories forward I’m just trying to challenge and get under the surface of the question regardless...
If the questions aren’t posed then we’re also not challenged to dig deeper
It was noted in the other (MoM of all) thread that marks on the body increase the probability of a solid hilt?
Super interesting to me, as the possible connection to the Yuma sabers is still in my mind. I said over there I have yet to see any blade retention system other than the nipple set screw which makes me skeptical still.
Super interesting to me, as the possible connection to the Yuma sabers is still in my mind. I said over there I have yet to see any blade retention system other than the nipple set screw which makes me skeptical still.
Is it not 100% established that the hero and the Yuma are the same body? I thought it was. I'm sure I've seen an image of the Yuma that had the same scratch on the black part of the neck that is on the Hero today. I'll see if I can dig it out. Sure it was a shot of the sail barge scene.
I’ll need to dig through when I get home, but as Adam mentioned in the other thread.
There are radiused inside corners all over this hilt...
everywhere it might’ve made sense to have a split body.
There’s also no indication from the emitter front of any real depth, as we’ve seen from recent display photos; nor on the back at the pommel as we know. So from top to bottom it appears solid in long axis.
Now that we’ve locked down the dimensions better, it’s clear that no object on the hilt has ‘shifted’ rotationally to indicate threads or looseness.
and of course: if Luke was only swinging a short bladed stunt saber around (without contact as we’ve seen) there wouldn’t be a need for any more significant depth to the stunt blade. A single retention screw would’ve been sufficient for that particular sequence
There are radiused inside corners all over this hilt...
everywhere it might’ve made sense to have a split body.
There’s also no indication from the emitter front of any real depth, as we’ve seen from recent display photos; nor on the back at the pommel as we know. So from top to bottom it appears solid in long axis.
Now that we’ve locked down the dimensions better, it’s clear that no object on the hilt has ‘shifted’ rotationally to indicate threads or looseness.
and of course: if Luke was only swinging a short bladed stunt saber around (without contact as we’ve seen) there wouldn’t be a need for any more significant depth to the stunt blade. A single retention screw would’ve been sufficient for that particular sequence
It totally is.
Even the box is the same from Yuma, To ISYHCANL, to cave.
I have found very solid visual indicators that connect just the box to both the Yuma and the ISYHCANL.
I really need to do a photo writeup (as I’m known to do) and add it up top
Yeah, it turns out it was this old chestnut. That mark on the black part of the neck is still there on the hero by the looks of it. Or it's a remarkable coincidence (which isn't impossible).
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no kidding? wild - the radiused corners are a very good observation too, I hadn't thought of that
BR - When you get around to doing a write-up I'd be very interested to see it. I suppose I haven't swung my yuma around to see if the blade would fly out, only controlled twirls
I also do see that mark, it's the double dot set in almost the exact same place as the mark there on Mark's saber (ha ha)
Thing is, I can't believe it has the same grip paintjob today, they painted the shoulder of the grenade above the control box, and the rest looks pretty uniform, It could be a ding in the metal that paint won't stick too, damage from being outside. Spitballing here
Thing is, I can't believe it has the same grip paintjob today, they painted the shoulder of the grenade above the control box, and the rest looks pretty uniform, It could be a ding in the metal that paint won't stick too, damage from being outside. Spitballing here
Sorry for the delay; this is a bench test.
3V power (two watch batteries)
SPST > SPDT snap action > blinking red/green scale train signal light LEDs > common negative to power.
I’m not saying this is THE setup; in fact it’s pretty messy (relative to another member who is also working on this)
I’m trying to figure out how to alter the timing parameters on these LEDs because (unlike their data sheet implies) they haven’t been speeding up or slowing down with voltage variance. A simple IC is built in on these; so considering built in IC, no resistor necessary, and only 3V required i think they could all certainly fit inside the box: and at MOST require a milled area in between the mounting screws for the 3V battery to sit.
These particular LEDs can take 14V unresisted...
I still need to assemble my photos for the other issue in question thd9791
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Good work. Looking forward to see you crack this.
Yuma box = ISYHCANL box= Cave Hero box support:
By association, first.... and knowing that the ISYHCANL did have the black buttons anyway.
Hero to ISYHCANL from what we can see in that scene.
The second correlation relates to the Yuma.
We would HAVE to assume that the ISYCANL/Cave box would have either:
-Been made separately
-Was a modded Yuma.
So how would we know that they did or didn’t make a new one?
I’ll submit my argument:
The Yuma, didn’t just have two raised simple rails...But also a little lip at the front of the box which appeared to terminate.
When modifying the Yuma, they milled off that section right at the seam... however went just a bit too deep leaving the light bur now seen on the Hero.
Conversely, if the ISYHCANL box was made separately it surely would’ve been milled flat, and this coincidence wouldn’t be available to pick at.
would love to see better reference of the Yuma if anyone has it
By association, first.... and knowing that the ISYHCANL did have the black buttons anyway.
Hero to ISYHCANL from what we can see in that scene.
The second correlation relates to the Yuma.
We would HAVE to assume that the ISYCANL/Cave box would have either:
-Been made separately
-Was a modded Yuma.
So how would we know that they did or didn’t make a new one?
I’ll submit my argument:
The Yuma, didn’t just have two raised simple rails...But also a little lip at the front of the box which appeared to terminate.
When modifying the Yuma, they milled off that section right at the seam... however went just a bit too deep leaving the light bur now seen on the Hero.
Conversely, if the ISYHCANL box was made separately it surely would’ve been milled flat, and this coincidence wouldn’t be available to pick at.
would love to see better reference of the Yuma if anyone has it
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