Can't I, please...?Don't forget the 2 made for TV movies.
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ghostryder
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Well, since production of RS was delayed (late 2023); I hope they'll learn their lesson seeing that TBOBF debacle as well as other series to come (Obi-Wan + Ashoka)...
While I understand you sentiment, not sure I would call TBOBF a debacle. Those of us here are die-hard fans, to the point of nitpicking over the location of accidental prop and costume scratches/paint smudges decades later. We have a certain level of expectation.
The finale was disappointing for many of us here, because in the end we don't have the same Boba Fett character anymore or compelling closure to his character arc. We really wanted a filet mignon, and we got a cheeseburger with no toppings.
Many online seem to have really enjoyed TBOBF. They enjoy cheeseburgers. And I do too, from time to time.
... and I'm still wondering if TBOBF ended up being a drop-in replacement as there was some uncertainty about Mando season 3 at the time. I mean, 6 episodes and 2 of were basically Mando Season 3 openers? They seem to have been filmed without Pedro Pascal present at all, just providing the later voiceover work, which he probably knocked out in a couple of hours.
joberg
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Yep, the writer took Hamlet's line: "To be, or not to be" and stretched it to a max with TBOBF. Wow, during the series (which I endured to make sure I wasn't doing a critique without having seen the product) I yelled at the screen those words: "GO AND SEE A SHRINK!"
If you have to re-think your life/purpose as a fictional character; maybe this should have been titled: "The Book Of Boba Fett's Shrink"
I think a V.O. from that professional, narrating the story of BF, would've interested me more than what we saw.
That's the least of my beefs. If they were going to change him, fine, but at least do a good job of making a show.
1000%. It's sickeningly obvious.
ghostryder
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If that was our house..I'd be the one on the floor!
I’ve been contemplating “what if”.
What if there was no family relationship, none of the father son daughter bro/sis stuff?
Lucas appeared to be on that path at first.
Some will say, well Splinter oif the Minds Eye was that, I understand that would have been the low cost sequel if SW had been a marginal hit, but of course it was huge.
So ignoring that, what do you they no could have been?
Like and Leia could have been a number.
Vader would have no reason to want to save Luke from the Emperor.
Luke would not want to save Vader from the dark side. Just kill him.
What would Han do if he lost Leia to Luke? Maybe say to hell with this rebellion stuff.
Would Luke break up with Leia because Jedi don’t date?
No “certain point of view” weak sauce excuse that’s for sure. LOL
What if there was no family relationship, none of the father son daughter bro/sis stuff?
Lucas appeared to be on that path at first.
Some will say, well Splinter oif the Minds Eye was that, I understand that would have been the low cost sequel if SW had been a marginal hit, but of course it was huge.
So ignoring that, what do you they no could have been?
Like and Leia could have been a number.
Vader would have no reason to want to save Luke from the Emperor.
Luke would not want to save Vader from the dark side. Just kill him.
What would Han do if he lost Leia to Luke? Maybe say to hell with this rebellion stuff.
Would Luke break up with Leia because Jedi don’t date?
No “certain point of view” weak sauce excuse that’s for sure. LOL
Luke and Leia were likely to have still been second cousins (cobbling together Lucas' notes, Luke's mom took his sister and hid out on Alderaan because she was related to the queen). I can see romance happening, but him distancing himself as he dives deeper into becoming a Jedi. Maybe that could have rekindled, but there was an incorrigible smuggler handy as a perfectly suitable Door Number Two.
If Anakin and Vader were still separate, we have the motivations of the Sith to fall back on. Vader wanted Luke to groom him as his own apprentice, but then the Emperor felt his awakening in the Force and Vader had to play it cool. But when it looked like the Emperor was about to kill Luke, that would ruin Vader's plans to depose his master and take his place, in the Sith tradition. So it was utterly self-serving to toss the Emperor. The coda for that could play out multiple ways. It was originally to have been in the Emperor's private chambers deep under the Imperial palace, so no exploding space station to worry about. Luke could escape while Vader was incapacitated, and they meet again for the last time later. Luke could maybe reach the young student Obi-Wan had taught and bring him back over. Lots of branching possibilities.
There's also the matter of Luke's actual sister to consider. Don't know if she'd go for Han or vice versa. Maybe Han would always feel Leia was comparing him to Luke and it would sour their relationship. Maybe Leia would wait for Luke to finish his Jedi delve and see what happened. There are so many options for a writer that unless one commits to a specific story arc (which I eventually did with my rewrite), it's almost pointless to enumerate them all. But yes -- undoing that sloppy hypercompression is a good first step.
If Anakin and Vader were still separate, we have the motivations of the Sith to fall back on. Vader wanted Luke to groom him as his own apprentice, but then the Emperor felt his awakening in the Force and Vader had to play it cool. But when it looked like the Emperor was about to kill Luke, that would ruin Vader's plans to depose his master and take his place, in the Sith tradition. So it was utterly self-serving to toss the Emperor. The coda for that could play out multiple ways. It was originally to have been in the Emperor's private chambers deep under the Imperial palace, so no exploding space station to worry about. Luke could escape while Vader was incapacitated, and they meet again for the last time later. Luke could maybe reach the young student Obi-Wan had taught and bring him back over. Lots of branching possibilities.
There's also the matter of Luke's actual sister to consider. Don't know if she'd go for Han or vice versa. Maybe Han would always feel Leia was comparing him to Luke and it would sour their relationship. Maybe Leia would wait for Luke to finish his Jedi delve and see what happened. There are so many options for a writer that unless one commits to a specific story arc (which I eventually did with my rewrite), it's almost pointless to enumerate them all. But yes -- undoing that sloppy hypercompression is a good first step.
If Splinter was still Canon and Kelvin's from that timeline there might be a lot of siblings with buck teeth and tails lol...
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I always think how it might have been more satisfying to have Luke kill Vader and avenge his father, straight up. Even if Jedi don’t consider it revenge. It’s a bit tough to swallow Vader as a rewarded space angel after being space Hitler for decades. LOL. This of course is a more simplistic traditional good guy beats the bad guy. Checks off less power of myth boxes.
ghostryder
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Quick Questions:
1) How did Han and Luke have their regular clothes AND shoes underneath the Stormtrooper armor, when they got out of the trash compactor?
2) When Vader sensed Obi-wan's presence while standing near the Millennium Flacon in the Death Star hangar bay, why would he not just run up the ramp and go on a saber hacking spree? I mean, regardless of what the Imperial officer told him.
3) Was Vader "surprised" when Obi-wan vanished in front of him as his cloak fell to the ground? Up until that point, Vader had never seen a Jedi just "vanish" at death, correct? Seems to me old Papa-Palps would have some 'splainin to do.
4) Why were the no troopers waiting at the trash compactor exit? Wouldn't they know the ONLY way out was through the door at the bottom?
5) In the S.E. when Luke runs into Biggs while getting ready to board his X-wing, how is this the FIRST time they are reuniting? I mean, weren't they just in the briefing room together with the other Rebel pilots?
6) Knowing that the Death Star could destroy the moon on which the Rebels were stationed, why was the Yavin IV Rebel base not evacuating during the Death Star battle?
7) How did the Rebels have time for an awards ceremony on Yavin IV? Unless the movements of the Death Star were kept secret from the rest of the Imperial fleet, I imagine a TON of Star Destroyers would have "hyperspaced" to the Yavin system at that point. And even if no one else in the Empire was aware of what was going on, you can bet the Emperor knew and would have sensed the Death Star destruction.
1) How did Han and Luke have their regular clothes AND shoes underneath the Stormtrooper armor, when they got out of the trash compactor?
2) When Vader sensed Obi-wan's presence while standing near the Millennium Flacon in the Death Star hangar bay, why would he not just run up the ramp and go on a saber hacking spree? I mean, regardless of what the Imperial officer told him.
3) Was Vader "surprised" when Obi-wan vanished in front of him as his cloak fell to the ground? Up until that point, Vader had never seen a Jedi just "vanish" at death, correct? Seems to me old Papa-Palps would have some 'splainin to do.
4) Why were the no troopers waiting at the trash compactor exit? Wouldn't they know the ONLY way out was through the door at the bottom?
5) In the S.E. when Luke runs into Biggs while getting ready to board his X-wing, how is this the FIRST time they are reuniting? I mean, weren't they just in the briefing room together with the other Rebel pilots?
6) Knowing that the Death Star could destroy the moon on which the Rebels were stationed, why was the Yavin IV Rebel base not evacuating during the Death Star battle?
7) How did the Rebels have time for an awards ceremony on Yavin IV? Unless the movements of the Death Star were kept secret from the rest of the Imperial fleet, I imagine a TON of Star Destroyers would have "hyperspaced" to the Yavin system at that point. And even if no one else in the Empire was aware of what was going on, you can bet the Emperor knew and would have sensed the Death Star destruction.
I've never understood how Owen can't recognize C-3PO in A New Hope even though his dad *literally* owned C-3PO in Attack of the Clones?
Lightning
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You mean that other protocol droid that was bare metal 20 years ago? What was his name anyway? C-something I think.
C through PO
Wolfsburg
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These are all good questions, some of which I've wondered myself! Mostly they are just things one shouldn't think too hard about. lol!
Regarding #3, I definitely think Vader was surprised and puzzled by what had just happened. He even toes the empty cloak, presumably to make sure there's no Obi-wan parts left. Lol!
As for C-3PO, there clearly are a lot of protocol droids that look the same so it's not so weird he didn't recognize him, especially being gold plated now.
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Here's my perspective:
1. I've never been able to reconcile it, but given that it doesn't pull me out of the story I can over look it. It's one of the rare instances where I can admit to that, because so much else is pretty rock solid on delivery. But yeah, if we're going to nitpick, I can concede on that one.
2. I presume sensing someone's presence doesn't work like a homing beacon, telling you their exact location. It's a feeling more than anything and Vader isn't exactly some rash villain who jumps the second he sees an enemy. That's what makes him so formidable. He's cold and calculated. Waiting for the right time to strike.
3. Vader was likely taken aback. Otherwise, why poke at the robes with his foot?
4. The smoke was too thick to see through and the troopers eventually guessed right that they escaped into the garbage chute and turned the compactor on, locking the escape door so they couldn't get out. Obviously the Empire wasn't aware that R2 shut down the compactor, until our heroes are spotted in the hallway a little while later.
5. I chalk that up to the gravity of the meeting. Even if Biggs was in the room ( I don't recall seeing him) it's not exactly the time for Luke and Biggs to have a gab at the water cooler. It's not like they were sitting next to each other either.
6. Just as the Empire's flaw was arrogance in believing that the Death Star was unstoppable, I imagine the Rebellion had good reason to hold their ground. They had nowhere else to go and it would be too chaotic to reroute survivors to a new rendevous during the battle. By ESB they'd worked out an alternate meeting place as evidenced by Wedge's comment to Luke after the Battle of Hoth.
7. This one is a bit more complicated. The real reason why this happened is that Star Wars was written as a stand alone film, with no guarantee that a sequel would be made, so the thought would have never crossed anyone's mind. The in universe explanation is likely that Yavin was at a great distance to the Imperial strongholds, so perhaps it took time for word to reach them of the Death Star's destruction? Plus you'd imagine even with Hyperspace it would take time for the Imperials to be able to confront the Alliance, at which point they would have relocated. The reason this has become an issue is because of recent canon changes that suggest Hyperspace is instantaneous, when in fact in all the films up until 2015, even at Light speed it took time to get somewhere.
Axlotl
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You could do what I do and pretend the prequels never happened and aren't canon. It excludes you from 88% of Star Wars conversations, but you get to keep your IQ.
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