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1) How did Han and Luke have their regular clothes AND shoes underneath the Stormtrooper armor, when they got out of the trash compactor?

2) When Vader sensed Obi-wan's presence while standing near the Millennium Flacon in the Death Star hangar bay, why would he not just run up the ramp and go on a saber hacking spree? I mean, regardless of what the Imperial officer told him.

3) Was Vader "surprised" when Obi-wan vanished in front of him as his cloak fell to the ground? Up until that point, Vader had never seen a Jedi just "vanish" at death, correct? Seems to me old Papa-Palps would have some 'splainin to do.

4) Why were the no troopers waiting at the trash compactor exit? Wouldn't they know the ONLY way out was through the door at the bottom?

5) In the S.E. when Luke runs into Biggs while getting ready to board his X-wing, how is this the FIRST time they are reuniting? I mean, weren't they just in the briefing room together with the other Rebel pilots?

6) Knowing that the Death Star could destroy the moon on which the Rebels were stationed, why was the Yavin IV Rebel base not evacuating during the Death Star battle?

7) How did the Rebels have time for an awards ceremony on Yavin IV? Unless the movements of the Death Star were kept secret from the rest of the Imperial fleet, I imagine a TON of Star Destroyers would have "hyperspaced" to the Yavin system at that point. And even if no one else in the Empire was aware of what was going on, you can bet the Emperor knew and would have sensed the Death Star destruction.
1. I've always wondered the same ...
4. Overconfidence. The Imperials didn't count on there being a smart droid to break the codes to shut down the compactor and open the door.
5. Because during briefing, you pay attention to the briefing.
BTW. Back in college, I took a class not noticing for three months that an old friend I hadn't met for years was also taken it, and neither had he spotted me.
6. Because the Death Star being a threat to Yavin IV was a choice made late in production. :p
In-universe explanation: There was no time and no escape. All on one last ditch effort. Other Rebels could have evacuated: those we saw were those needed for the Death Star assault.
7. See 6. In-universe: I'd think secret, because of rivalry between Tarkin and the fleet; the implausibility that the Death Star would be defeated; no time for a distress call; time to actually travel in Hyperspace. That gave the Rebels some time. I think I've read somewhere they evacuated directly after the award ceremony.
 
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Quick Questions:

1) How did Han and Luke have their regular clothes AND shoes underneath the Stormtrooper armor, when they got out of the trash compactor?

2) When Vader sensed Obi-wan's presence while standing near the Millennium Flacon in the Death Star hangar bay, why would he not just run up the ramp and go on a saber hacking spree? I mean, regardless of what the Imperial officer told him.

3) Was Vader "surprised" when Obi-wan vanished in front of him as his cloak fell to the ground? Up until that point, Vader had never seen a Jedi just "vanish" at death, correct? Seems to me old Papa-Palps would have some 'splainin to do.

4) Why were the no troopers waiting at the trash compactor exit? Wouldn't they know the ONLY way out was through the door at the bottom?

5) In the S.E. when Luke runs into Biggs while getting ready to board his X-wing, how is this the FIRST time they are reuniting? I mean, weren't they just in the briefing room together with the other Rebel pilots?

6) Knowing that the Death Star could destroy the moon on which the Rebels were stationed, why was the Yavin IV Rebel base not evacuating during the Death Star battle?

7) How did the Rebels have time for an awards ceremony on Yavin IV? Unless the movements of the Death Star were kept secret from the rest of the Imperial fleet, I imagine a TON of Star Destroyers would have "hyperspaced" to the Yavin system at that point. And even if no one else in the Empire was aware of what was going on, you can bet the Emperor knew and would have sensed the Death Star destruction.
#1 has always bothered me for as long as I can remember. Movie magic!
 
The reason this has become an issue is because of recent canon changes that suggest Hyperspace is instantaneous, when in fact in all the films up until 2015, even at Light speed it took time to get somewhere.
Disney’s handling of hyperspace has been really weird from the beginning and seems to indicate that they’ve never seen the previous movies or the story group doesn’t understand its own lore. Besides hyperspace being depicted as near-teleportation, numerous times in the Disney era have they jumped into hyperspace, with reckless abandon, from the surface of a planet, onto the surface of a planet, THROUGH planetary shields*, from within another star ship, rapidly and blindly from point to point, etc… All while Han made it abundantly clear the dangers of hyperspace and how getting coordinates from the navicomputer was vital, even for a reckless scoundrel like him. Disney seemed content with directly contradicting what little we did know about hyperspace that was flat out stated in ANH in no uncertain terms. It’s not like dustin’ crops…

And although this may be an EU invention, jumping into hyperspace in the presence of a gravity well used to be a thing that was not done. Maybe that’s not canon anymore although Interdictor cruisers (which generate artificial gravity wells) are canon and would seem to be worthless if that rule no longer applies. We’ve seen several ships during the Disney era that otherwise should’ve been ripped apart for going into hyperspace within a gravity well. On a tangent, it used to be that ships as large as a ISD could not operate within the atmosphere of a planet because of the immense atmospheric and gravitational stresses on the hull but that’s clearly not a thing either. Now it’s a mystery why Vader didn’t just hyperspace several of his ISDs through the “refresh rate” of Hoth’s shields and simply hover directly over Echo base and blast it to pieces. Once Luke was accounted for, of course!

And although not directly contradicted in the pre-Disney days that I’m aware of, I personally don’t like the whole notion of “hyperspace fuel” and was never under the impression that was ever a thing. I assumed a hyperdrive engine was some sort of reactor, at least one that didn’t require regular refueling. I was scratching my head when that was brought up in TLJ and they doubled down and made it a plot point in Solo.

*if hyperspacing past the “refresh rate” of planetary defense shields is possible, what good are they? If that’s a thing, why didn’t the rebels just hyperspace through the DSII’s shields? That concept belongs in the trashcan with the “Holdo Maneuver”. Pablo and the Storygroup guys responsible for overseeing the lore really seem inept.
 
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It also served a narrative function, whether that meant giving characters time to reveal their personalities or for an exposition dump, it was one of the few sections of down time that balanced out the action and gave the audience time to catch it's collective breath.

While lore is important I also equally value narrative credibility and the two have to be balanced for a story to work well.
 
Yeah the whole hyperspace thing is something you just have to roll with. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but if they were truly traveling at or faster than light speed then there would also be time dilation in effect as well, meaning the passengers would experience less passage of time compared to the outside universe as they traveled.
 
That would make sense. Though I wonder if the new writers are mixing up the concepts of teleportation and lightspeed travel in fiction. Think about it. Teleportation is almost instantaneous and lightspeed travel is typically fast, but not immediate. Granted, different rules apply to different sci-fi/ fantasy stories so my theory isn't set in stone, but generally speaking those rules are considered the norm. Plus as I said before, it's more a broad concept used to create the setting of a sci-fi universe, and to give narrative breaks from action.
 
Disney’s handling of hyperspace has been really weird from the beginning and seems to indicate that they’ve never seen the previous movies or the story group doesn’t understand its own lore. Besides hyperspace being depicted as near-teleportation, numerous times in the Disney era have they jumped into hyperspace, with reckless abandon, from the surface of a planet, onto the surface of a planet, THROUGH planetary shields*, from within another star ship, rapidly and blindly from point to point, etc… All while Han made it abundantly clear the dangers of hyperspace and how getting coordinates from the navicomputer was vital, even for a reckless scoundrel like him. Disney seemed content with directly contradicting what little we did know about hyperspace that was flat out stated in ANH in no uncertain terms. It’s not like dustin’ crops…
The Clone Wars threw the monkey wrench in the whole thing, way before Disney/Lucasfilm. In the episode "Jedi Crash" the ship that Anakin and company are on, gets damaged, the hyperdrive is activated. However the ship is within the atmosphere of a planet when it jumps. My thoughts are hyperspace jumps within a gravity well aren't impossible. Just really dangerous. And probably get more dangerous the bigger your ship is.

After they jump to hyperspace they are alerted that they are going to impact a star. To avoid hitting the star, they have shut down all of the ships systems(because of the damage) to drop out hyperspace, right before they would hit the star. (Or the star's mass shadow. At least that's how it worked in Legends.)

And as far as the light speed skipping. The navicomputer would just need a bunch of preloaded jumps in it's memory. To avoid needing the computer to perform all the necessary calculations, if you were jumping to unplanned destination.
And although this may be an EU invention, jumping into hyperspace in the presence of a gravity well used to be a thing that was not done. Maybe that’s not canon anymore although Interdictor cruisers (which generate artificial gravity wells) are canon and would seem to be worthless if that rule no longer applies. We’ve seen several ships during the Disney era that otherwise should’ve been ripped apart for going into hyperspace within a gravity well. On a tangent, it used to be that ships as large as a ISD could not operate within the atmosphere of a planet because of the immense atmospheric and gravitational stresses on the hull but that’s clearly not a thing either. Now it’s a mystery why Vader didn’t just hyperspace several of his ISDs through the “refresh rate” of Hoth’s shields and simply hover directly over Echo base and blast it to pieces. Once Luke was accounted for, of course!

And although not directly contradicted in the pre-Disney days that I’m aware of, I personally don’t like the whole notion of “hyperspace fuel” and was never under the impression that was ever a thing. I assumed a hyperdrive engine was some sort of reactor, at least one that didn’t require regular refueling. I was scratching my head when that was brought up in TLJ and they doubled down and made it a plot point in Solo.

It The Phantom Menace, they mention that hyperdrive is leaking. And that they will need to land to repair and refuel.
*if hyperspacing past the “refresh rate” of planetary defense shields is possible, what good are they? If that’s a thing, why didn’t the rebels just hyperspace through the DSII’s shields? That concept belongs in the trashcan with the “Holdo Maneuver”. Pablo and the Storygroup guys responsible for overseeing the lore really seem inept.
Han mentions that the shields around Starkiller have a "refresh rate." I wouldn't assume that all planetary shields have a refresh rate. Though it's possible. Even then it's a risky maneuver that only someone like Han with a bit of luck (and the will of the Force) could pull off.
And smaller shields like the one on Hoth, which protected the Rebel base, and Endor shield. I really highly doubt they have refresh rate, being on a much smaller scale.
 
The Clone Wars threw the monkey wrench in the whole thing, way before Disney/Lucasfilm. In the episode "Jedi Crash" the ship that Anakin and company are on, gets damaged, the hyperdrive is activated. However the ship is within the atmosphere of a planet when it jumps. My thoughts are hyperspace jumps within a gravity well aren't impossible. Just really dangerous. And probably get more dangerous the bigger your ship is.

After they jump to hyperspace they are alerted that they are going to impact a star. To avoid hitting the star, they have shut down all of the ships systems(because of the damage) to drop out hyperspace, right before they would hit the star. (Or the star's mass shadow. At least that's how it worked in Legends.)

And as far as the light speed skipping. The navicomputer would just need a bunch of preloaded jumps in it's memory. To avoid needing the computer to perform all the necessary calculations, if you were jumping to unplanned destination.


It The Phantom Menace, they mention that hyperdrive is leaking. And that they will need to land to repair and refuel.

Han mentions that the shields around Starkiller have a "refresh rate." I wouldn't assume that all planetary shields have a refresh rate. Though it's possible. Even then it's a risky maneuver that only someone like Han with a bit of luck (and the will of the Force) could pull off.
And smaller shields like the one on Hoth, which protected the Rebel base, and Endor shield. I really highly doubt they have refresh rate, being on a much smaller scale.

Ah, I'll have to concede the point if this was already screwed up in TCW. I haven't seen that episode apparently.

As for the hyperdrive leaking in TPM, I always took it that it was damaged and leaking coolant. I didn't recall that there was any mention of refueling anything but it's been a long time since I've seen it.

As for whether some shields have refresh rates and others don't, I obviously don't know but being that it was specifically mentioned in the movie, my assumption would be that all planetary shields function this way until proven otherwise. If they don't all function that way, it seems like quite an Achilles heel for such an important facility and considering we're 30 years in the future, shield technology should presumably be better than anything in the OT.
 
The EU did allow for some of those Hyperspace jumps, but they made sure to say that the character was disabling the safeguards in the navicomputer to do so. You can exit Hyperspace in a gravity well, but you cannot enter Hyperspace inside a gravity well, because it just won't work. You need to get clear of the gravity to get enough speed for the hyperdrive to kick in.
 
The EU did allow for some of those Hyperspace jumps, but they made sure to say that the character was disabling the safeguards in the navicomputer to do so. You can exit Hyperspace in a gravity well, but you cannot enter Hyperspace inside a gravity well, because it just won't work. You need to get clear of the gravity to get enough speed for the hyperdrive to kick in.

Yeah I thought I recalled ships being violently yanked out of hyperspace in a gravity well. I also thought I recalled that whatever gravitational forces a ship experienced from a gravity well (artificial or natural) would cause a ship to rip apart if a hyperspace jump was attempted. I cringed during that scene in Rogue One when they jumped into hyperspace not only from the surface but also among a literal tsunami of Jedha debris. That should've been a surer death than trying to outrun a DS blast wave.
 
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When Qui-Gon tried to buy the hyperdrive from Watto, but could not use Republic Credits, then why not have the Jedi Order/Republic send him cash? Why the elaborate podrace scheme?


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When Qui-Gon tried to buy the hyperdrive from Watto, but could not use Republic Credits, then why not have the Jedi Order/Republic send him cash? Why the elaborate podrace scheme?


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And why did he take Watto at his word that no other dealer would have the part he was looking for either? Because Jedi intuition, I guess?
 
They've also missed the concept that when you're in hyperspace, you're in your own little universe. If a fleet jumps simultaneously, each ship is still each in its own tunnel. You cannot talk to each other on the radio as they do in R1 and the ST, and you are never sharing a tunnel with another ship (which I think has been shown in the Disney era but I can't recall specifically).
 
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Ah, I'll have to concede the point if this was already screwed up in TCW. I haven't seen that episode apparently.

As for the hyperdrive leaking in TPM, I always took it that it was damaged and leaking coolant. I didn't recall that there was any mention of refueling anything but it's been a long time since I've seen it.

As for whether some shields have refresh rates and others don't, I obviously don't know but being that it was specifically mentioned in the movie, my assumption would be that all planetary shields function this way until proven otherwise. If they don't all function that way, it seems like quite an Achilles heel for such an important facility and considering we're 30 years in the future, shield technology should presumably be better than anything in the OT.
I believe this is the first time we've seen planetary shields in the films. The sort that encompass an entire planet. The Hoth shield only protected a small portion of the planet. And Endor shield was projected to protect the Death Star. It could be they all have refresh rates. But how or if the could be exploited the same way. I don't know.

I see a lucky hyperspace jump by a lone ship to be one thing. Getting your whole fleet through the shield, would be something else. Also the distance above the surface would play a role. The shield like the one on Hoth probably isn't all that high, meaning if you were to jump through, you'd still slam into the planet.

It's also possible that Starkiller shield with it's fractional refresh rate is only one type of all encompassing planetary shields. Maybe there is trade off. This shield being able to withstand 1,000x more damage then other forms of planetary shields.
 
When Qui-Gon tried to buy the hyperdrive from Watto, but could not use Republic Credits, then why not have the Jedi Order/Republic send him cash? Why the elaborate podrace scheme?


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Qui Gon has a gambling problem.

He used the force way too smoothly to make sure Watto's dice landed blue side up for it to be a first time. Qui Gon uses the force to cheat and has a gambling problem, hence why he cannot have a seat on the council.

More seriously, I assumed that Tatooine was pretty backwater and the Naboo crew was still pretty sizable and given that the Queen was a passenger, they wouldnt be able to ensure her safety if they chartered a ship by some unknown.

Im guessing by OT, charter ships became more common on Tatooine because smuggling became a much more lucrative endeavor thanks to the Empire and the lack of regulation on Tatooine. This is all head canon though.
 
Quick Questions:

1) How did Han and Luke have their regular clothes AND shoes underneath the Stormtrooper armor, when they got out of the trash compactor?
Watch Avengers: Infinity War. When Tony pulls the "ripcords" on his tracksuit and it snugs in tight so the armor can deploy over it. A bit like that -- the undersuit goes on baggy than snugs down over the wearer... and anything they're wearing. The boots are a problem, though. Maybe Chewie had them folded up in his satchel.

2) When Vader sensed Obi-wan's presence while standing near the Millennium Flacon in the Death Star hangar bay, why would he not just run up the ramp and go on a saber hacking spree? I mean, regardless of what the Imperial officer told him.
More like psychometry. He could feel Obi-Wan had been in that ship, but for whatever reason he couldn't tell whether he was currently. Since the initial search revealed no one aboard, he must have felt it was a residual thing until things started happening. He also wasn't sure, hence ordering the deep scan.

3) Was Vader "surprised" when Obi-wan vanished in front of him as his cloak fell to the ground? Up until that point, Vader had never seen a Jedi just "vanish" at death, correct? Seems to me old Papa-Palps would have some 'splainin to do.
Yes. Also plays into the dialogue immediately before -- in particular, the full version of it, later trimmed. "If my blade finds it's mark, you will cease to exist. But if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." At the time, Anakin and Vader were separate people. Vader had bailed on his training out of impatience and the promise of power. He hadn't been read in on the high-level mysteries that most Jedi couldn't do -- focusing and preparing oneself when death was nigh to cross over physically, not just one's energy being. George later abandoned this, but at the time, Obi-Wan was intended to cross back over to help Luke in his final trial. Note he goes from disembodied voice to distant static figure to close active figure to walking around, pushing vines aside, and sitting on the log next to Luke.

4) Why were the no troopers waiting at the trash compactor exit? Wouldn't they know the ONLY way out was through the door at the bottom?
That might have been when the order was given to let them escape -- but make it look convincing.

5) In the S.E. when Luke runs into Biggs while getting ready to board his X-wing, how is this the FIRST time they are reuniting? I mean, weren't they just in the briefing room together with the other Rebel pilots?
Already answered well.

6) Knowing that the Death Star could destroy the moon on which the Rebels were stationed, why was the Yavin IV Rebel base not evacuating during the Death Star battle?
Prior to the final edit, the Rebels got the plans, analyzed them, headed out to blow up the Death Star, and succeeded. It is unclear who came up with the idea of having the station track the Falcon to the Rebel base to destroy it, and add the "ticking clock" element. I feel, from what I've read, that it was Marcia. George went to ILM to tackle the additional insert and VFX shots needed, while she and Paul rejiggered the sequence and recorded new dialogue... that unfortunately clashes with George's desire to avoid terrestrial time-measurements. In the rest of the film, it's "moments", "generations", and so forth. But the added off-screen dialogue -- both at the base and on the Death Star -- keeps giving the countdown in minutes. I feel George would've been on top of that, had he written the new lines. I could be wrong, though.

7) How did the Rebels have time for an awards ceremony on Yavin IV? Unless the movements of the Death Star were kept secret from the rest of the Imperial fleet, I imagine a TON of Star Destroyers would have "hyperspaced" to the Yavin system at that point. And even if no one else in the Empire was aware of what was going on, you can bet the Emperor knew and would have sensed the Death Star destruction.
As was said elsewhere, there weren't intended to be any more movies made. George pulled the space station and its destruction from the end of the Luke arc, so what we saw was the final triumph of the good guys over the evil Empire, but without the intervening travails. They could have an award ceremony because there was no evacuation because the Empire had been toppled -- except not, of course. The new take is that only Tarkin had known where the Rebel base was, once he tracked the Falcon there (or, at least, Bail/Leia's Alderaanian cell), and he hadn't communicated it so as to be able to claim all the credit when he destroyed them. Not sure if anyone realized Vader had made it out, or that his craft had hyperdrive. So they felt they had time to celebrate the victory in the face of the tremendous loss they had just suffered. And then relocate after, just to be safe.
 
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