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To be fair the "making the crystal bleed" bull*** is new Disney-canon. So is using your lightsaber as helicopter rotors...I went into a hysterical laughing fit when I first saw that and I'm pretty sure I'm plenty closer to a six-pack after that workout sesion of my belly...:rolleyes:



The "bleeding" of the kyber crystal is really kinda required. The Clone Wars nixed the idea of synthetic crystals. And since red isn't a natural occurring color in either canon or Legends. You need some sort of unnatural way of getting red. In Legends that was creating a synthetic crystal. In canon it's the forcing of a Light Side attuned crystal to work for a Dark Side user. Thereby turning it red.
 
Circular reasoning, Joek3rr. It's required because the makers of the canon put it in there. If they did something else, that would be required. I never had a problem with synthetic crystals, but nor did the materials prior to Clone Wars. Luke made the crystal for his new lightsaber in a pressure furnace. The fallen Jedi just used exclusively synthetic because that's all they had access to. As in the real world, I imagine there's nothing wrong with lab-created -- might even be superior -- but they couldn't make them quickly or in sufficient quantity. Might even have had a hippy-ish attachment to getting organic crystals naturally through foraging.

But color had nothing to do with any of that. Or the Force. Since they're not light focused through the crystals, the color of the crystal is irrelevant. Having it somehow reflect the alignment of the maker, Dungeons and Dragons style, also breaks down. The only thing that makes a lick of sense I posted ages ago.

Yes, I know what we have is what we have and we have to deal with it, and you have raised some good points and interpretations, but there are times I wish you would exercise a little critical thought and not so enthusiastically defend bad or lazy writing. I don't know if Clone Wars overrode the previously established EU lightsaber lore at George's specific direction, or what, but the newer stuff does not work as well as the older stuff, which already had problems. But where do you draw the line? How much lore-breaking is too much? How out of character does someone need to act before it's indefensible? "It works that way because that's the way they said it works" is intellectually dishonest.
 
Circular reasoning, Joek3rr. It's required because the makers of the canon put it in there. If they did something else, that would be required. I never had a problem with synthetic crystals, but nor did the materials prior to Clone Wars. Luke made the crystal for his new lightsaber in a pressure furnace. The fallen Jedi just used exclusively synthetic because that's all they had access to. As in the real world, I imagine there's nothing wrong with lab-created -- might even be superior -- but they couldn't make them quickly or in sufficient quantity. Might even have had a hippy-ish attachment to getting organic crystals naturally through foraging.

But color had nothing to do with any of that. Or the Force. Since they're not light focused through the crystals, the color of the crystal is irrelevant. Having it somehow reflect the alignment of the maker, Dungeons and Dragons style, also breaks down. The only thing that makes a lick of sense I posted ages ago.

Yes, I know what we have is what we have and we have to deal with it, and you have raised some good points and interpretations, but there are times I wish you would exercise a little critical thought and not so enthusiastically defend bad or lazy writing. I don't know if Clone Wars overrode the previously established EU lightsaber lore at George's specific direction, or what, but the newer stuff does not work as well as the older stuff, which already had problems. But where do you draw the line? How much lore-breaking is too much? How out of character does someone need to act before it's indefensible? "It works that way because that's the way they said it works" is intellectually dishonest.

I'm just throwing out how things work. I'm not trying to justify or defend one side or the other. But with that said. Prior to The Clone Wars kyber crystals where one many options. After The Clone Wars episode 'The Gathering'. Lightsaber crystals became exclusively kyber.

Kyber crystals are completely colorless until the Force has been "awoken" within them. Once that it done the crystal takes on a color. Typically shades of blue or green. But any color, except red, can occur. The crystal will retain that color even if it changes owners, or its own Force alignment changes unless "bled." If "bled" it will remain red, unless it's "healed" at which point it turns white.

In short, lightsabers are magic laser swords.
 
The "bleeding" of the kyber crystal is really kinda required. The Clone Wars nixed the idea of synthetic crystals. And since red isn't a natural occurring color in either canon or Legends. You need some sort of unnatural way of getting red. In Legends that was creating a synthetic crystal. In canon it's the forcing of a Light Side attuned crystal to work for a Dark Side user. Thereby turning it red.
I know but at the end of the day that's the obsessive compulsory overexplanation of everything that really quickly turned me off from exploring the EU back in the 90s. It's so much simpler, Darth Vader was a fallen Jedi, so he had a lightsaber. He was a bad guy so he made it red cuz it's intimidating. Done.
 
I know but at the end of the day that's the obsessive compulsory overexplanation of everything that really quickly turned me off from exploring the EU back in the 90s. It's so much simpler, Darth Vader was a fallen Jedi, so he had a lightsaber. He was a bad guy so he made it red cuz it's intimidating. Done.

But this is Star Wars! Where there is freaking Wookieepedia page for everyone and everything, and we get unnecessary explanations for literally everything! Lol
 
My only knowledge of lighsaber crystals and construction came from KOTOR. Before lightsabers were "magic" and just tech, a saber's color was based on the color of the crystal, a simple yet elegant explanation for a more civilized age.
 
To be fair the "making the crystal bleed" bull*** is new Disney-canon. So is using your lightsaber as helicopter rotors...I went into a hysterical laughing fit when I first saw that and I'm pretty sure I'm plenty closer to a six-pack after that workout sesion of my belly...:rolleyes:

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One of the biggest disappointments in Rebels.. I think it was 1 or 2 episodes with those blades. After the negative feed back I doubt they’ll do that again

I’m just amazed filoni let that go through...
 
One of the biggest disappointments in Rebels.. I think it was 1 or 2 episodes with those blades. After the negative feed back I doubt they’ll do that again

I’m just amazed filoni let that go through...

If you hear him talk about his thinking behind those lightsabers it actually makes quite a bit of sense. The idea was, the Inquisitors aren't as skilled as say someone like Maul. So basically they cheat with their lightsabers.
 
If you hear him talk about his thinking behind those lightsabers it actually makes quite a bit of sense. The idea was, the Inquisitors aren't as skilled as say someone like Maul. So basically they cheat with their lightsabers.

..... heh... I feel his arm was twisted on that decision... didn’t feel like filoni at all
 
Or it's as simple as just being stupid ideas making their way into the canon. It could literally be as simple as that.

Helicopter Lightsabers.
Switchblade Lightsabers.
Lightsaber Knees/ Body armor.

Lightsaber Blade Builder Toys (aka Lightsaber Rake as I call them)

All dumb.

Just plain dumb.

It's okay to not like something Star Wars Joek3rr. No one is going to revoke your Star Wars fan membership if you have a dissenting opinion on something.
 
It's okay to not like something Star Wars...

Absolutely. There's SO MUCH SW content I don't care for/outright dislike. After the prequels, I did get to a point where I felt SW wasn't for me anymore, but eventually I came around to more of an a la carte mentality, where I realized exactly what you just said: I don't have to love ALL of it. I can always go back for more of what I do, and leave the rest. However, this also means that while I may not enjoy a current offering, I could never say I'm over and done with SW as a concept.
 
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I never bought into the nostalgia argument either as a reason the ST defenders use to justify why I dislike the new films.

If anything nostalgia could very well be the reason why they love the new films because they are willing to over look anything for the love of the films, no matter what the content is. Not every fan of the ST does, but I know some who do.

I loved He-Man as a 5 year old but upon revisiting it as a 20 year old I found it so corny and laughable. I mean I love it for the joy it brought me as a child and all the great memories I have from it but I can't watch it now.

Unlike Star Wars which I never stopped watching from 5 until now and yet as much as I love it, I can see flaws.

Though to claim it's just for kids is disingenuous because it's the adults that have passed their love for the story on to their children. It's timeless mythology and has more layers than people give it credit for.

Idk
 
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Or it's as simple as just being stupid ideas making their way into the canon. It could literally be as simple as that.

Helicopter Lightsabers.
Switchblade Lightsabers.
Lightsaber Knees/ Body armor.

Lightsaber Blade Builder Toys (aka Lightsaber Rake as I call them)

All dumb.

Just plain dumb.

It's okay to not like something Star Wars Joek3rr. No one is going to revoke your Star Wars fan membership if you have a dissenting opinion on something.

I can’t wait until we turn joker to the dark side of the Disney...
 
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Though to claim it's just for kids is disingenuous because it's the adults that have passed their love for the story on to their children. It's timeless mythology and has more layers than people give it credit for.

I think it's important to point out that I've never heard anyone say it's just for kids. The target audience is 12-year-olds, sure. But it has stuff that appeals to both the younger kids and adults. But a good amount is aimed for that age group, hence you get slightly ridiculous things like a four-armed cyborg wielding 4 lightsabers at the same time. And I agree it does have more layers. When you're young you watch it for the spectacle. But as you grow older you begin to understand some of those layers. That's why it is so appealing for everyone.


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But if I could take a quick moment just to share some thoughts. Some things that irritate me when I'm arguing with those who dislike the ST.

When I am wanting to start off a discussion, I'll often ask the person to give me the top thing that they dislike. And some of them just leave me going "huh?" Most recently, people(YouTube) are complaining about the "new" lightsaber, saying that Disney/JJ are just stupid and that it's stupid design, etc. And I can't help ask, why complain about it now? The saber was first seen in 2011, in the episode Darkness on Umbara. Then later in Rebels. No or few complaints. But now that it's in the movie......... what's the difference? Someone help me understand.

Or I had one guy say that Starfortresses were his thing. And that it's stupid to drop bombs vertically in Star Wars. So I had to ask him. Had he seen ESB? He answers yes he had. And so I ask him, 'what about the TIE bombers? Those don't bother you?' I didn't get a response.

Another guy said his thing was that the laser bolts fired by the Supremacy, fired in an arc. Which left me dumbfounded. Had he not seen the Death Star superlaser? It takes 6 separate beams, combines them into one beam. And changes their direction. And all in the cold, empty void of space. But a laser bolt flying in an arc is what broke his suspension of belief....... I'm so confused.
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Okay I'm done.....sorry just wanted to share it
 
Absolutely. There's SO MUCH SW content I don't care for/outright dislike. After the prequels, I did get to a point where I felt SW wasn't for me anymore, but eventually I came around to more of an a la carte mentality, where I realized exactly what you just said: I don't have to love ALL of it. I can always go back for more of what I do, and leave the rest. However, this also means that while I may not enjoy a current offering, I could never say I'm over and done with SW as a concept.

Just wanted to add that fandom is a buffet. There's a lineup of foods to choose from and everyone will put what they want on their plate and not serve themselves stuff they don't want. The majority of diners will do this and no one could accuse them of "hating the entire buffet" just because they don't spoon out something from every tray. Likewise, customers who do eat everything in the buffet are relatively rare.

Since diners are paying for the buffet, they have the right to speak up about aspects they may not like, or wish could be improved. Maybe there isn't a sneeze guard or foods are being left too long on the hot plate and drying out. Perhaps over time the quality of all the offerings goes south, or lacks variety. Even so, the gist is that the a la carte approach is exactly what fans should embrace about fandom. At the end of the day, it's all fake and in space.

And if the whole buffet isn't meeting your tastes anymore, there's always other restaurants, or your own home cookin'. ;)
 
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