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So how do you feel about Rey in TLJ? I mean that movie goes out of it's way to have nearly everyone fail on some level.

In Rey's case. She starts the film with two goals. 1) get Luke to come back and help the Resistance 2) learn more about the Force and the Jedi. With her first goal she does not not succeed. Yes she helps nudge Luke towards helping, but in the end it's ultimately Yoda. And her second goal, she only partially succeeds at. She gets some learning about the Force, but not the Jedi, other then Luke thinks they need to end.

Then in the last portion of the film she has a new goal. Which is to get Ben to return to the Light. Which she totally fails at, royally. Leaving Ben, I'd argue, deeper in the Dark Side then before.
This begs a question I hadn't thought of...why did Yoda wait so long to give his pep talk when poor Luke could've used it immediately after the fallout with Ben?
 
This begs a question I hadn't thought of...why did Yoda wait so long to give his pep talk when poor Luke could've used it immediately after the fallout with Ben?
To be fair to the movie (oh the irony) Luke was closed off from the Force until then. Why no Yoda or Ben between closing himself off and the academy falling is another question but I kinda buy into that.
 
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This begs a question I hadn't thought of...why did Yoda wait so long to give his pep talk when poor Luke could've used it immediately after the fallout with Ben?

Probably because Luke cut himself off from the Force.
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Plus we don't know just how much intervention the spirits are allowed to have. I've always found it odd that Obi-Wan didn't manifest himself to Luke until 3 years after Yavin. What was he waiting for?
 
I've always found it odd that Obi-Wan didn't manifest himself to Luke until 3 years after Yavin. What was he waiting for?
I always thought it was because he kinda made a breakthrough by pulling the lightsaber in the ice cave. Mind you Ben was talking to him at the end of ANH too.
 
Wasn't Luke still cut off from the force though at that point when Yoda showed up? Plus I would hope that when Luke initially cut himself off, that Yoda or Obi-Wan would've sensed that and would have gone to check up on him.
 
No, Luke rejoins with the Force right before Rey's vision in the cave. It's when Leia wakes up and whispers, "Luke." You can see him actually use the Force to stop his fall at the end of his fight with Rey.
 
No, Luke rejoins with the Force right before Rey's vision in the cave. It's when Leia wakes up and whispers, "Luke." You can see him actually use the Force to stop his fall at the end of his fight with Rey.

I love how the whole temple reverberates when he reconnects with the Force.
 
No, Luke rejoins with the Force right before Rey's vision in the cave. It's when Leia wakes up and whispers, "Luke." You can see him actually use the Force to stop his fall at the end of his fight with Rey.
I love how the whole temple reverberates when he reconnects with the Force.
Ah that's right I completely forgot. I only watched it one time around the time it came out.
 
You can see him actually use the Force to stop his fall at the end of his fight with Rey.

Actually I feel it is unclear if it is Luke or Rey who prevents the fall. I feel it is actually Rey who is in control of the situation. Maybe the novelization makes it clear. If anyone has read it, maybe they can answer it.

Speaking of the novelization, there is some good info about the Force. I found an article that explains it.

The Force, in general, gets some fascinating explorations in this novel, albeit in small moments. The most interesting of all comes when Luke finally decides to reconnect himself to the Force. In Luke’s mind, he sees two different versions of it: the Living Force, the spiritual energy that binds all living things together as explained to him by Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, and then the Cosmic Force.

The Cosmic Force is more akin to what we would see as Star Wars’ endless fascination with fate and predestiny. It’s the actual divine will of the Force, something that can wax and wane, and chooses to show itself in living instruments—Anakin and Luke are specifically described as such—when needed. Luke believes the Cosmic Force subsided after the end of the Sith with Palpatine and Vader’s deaths, but re-awoke sometime during his exile on Ahch-To. Unsurprisingly, connected to his vision from the prologue as the will of the Cosmic Force, Luke also believes that Rey is another clear example of that will—to the point he actually contemplates physically returning to the Resistance with her before he discovers her Force-powered conversations with Kylo Ren.

Full article
 
Cutting yourself off from the Force seems kind of impossible if you consider that it's in everything and is generated by life itself. Choosing to abstain from using it perhaps but cutting yourself off wouldn't that equate to death?

Idk.
 
Cutting yourself off from the Force seems kind of impossible if you consider that it's in everything and is generated by life itself. Choosing to abstain from using it perhaps but cutting yourself off wouldn't that equate to death?

Idk.

It's possible because they say it's possible. It's really just that simple.
 
Cutting yourself off from the Force seems kind of impossible if you consider that it's in everything and is generated by life itself. Choosing to abstain from using it perhaps but cutting yourself off wouldn't that equate to death?

Idk.

Well it's certainly not canon (well probably not, haven't read new books), but in the old EU Jedi can be forcibly cut off from the Force like Darth Revan. Also a Jedi could shrink his presence in the Force to avoid detection, but also couldn't get any feedback through the Force while doing it. I think maybe the latter is more what "Luke" did in TLJ.
 
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It was a mixed night, not bad, not spectacular. Last week I'd emailed the theater to ask if it would be OK to bring the lightsaber, in case they had a policy against bringing potentially risky objects. They not only said yes, but they also said they'd love to have their press coordinator take photos for them.

...Well, nobody showed up for that; obviously they forgot. :p Not a big deal, my coworker and I got photos of our own anyway. Just kind of amusing in a "welp so much for that" sort of way. For once I wasn't alone in semi-costume! One other woman came dressed as ANH Leia with her family (who were not in costume, sadly, lol). I had a little "nerd brethren" moment. Some folks did get a kick out of the lightsaber, including one little kid I let whack the blade. :lol: Of course, I had to light it up right when the movie started and then when the credits rolled (at that point somebody yelled out for me to turn it on LOL). Half the movie got slightly ruined by a drunk idiot in the row behind us who wouldn't shut up until my coworker turned around to shush him. :rolleyes: At least thankfully it wasn't the ending half.

I wore a hybrid tribute outfit this time with a black getup paired with Mom's beaded X-wing jacket (that I should have taken a shot of with the lightsaber, grrrr), because I just couldn't resist showing off her handiwork.

That lime green velvet bench was too perfect for that blade. :D
 
Actually I feel it is unclear if it is Luke or Rey who prevents the fall. I feel it is actually Rey who is in control of the situation. Maybe the novelization makes it clear. If anyone has read it, maybe they can answer it.

Speaking of the novelization, there is some good info about the Force. I found an article that explains it.

The Force, in general, gets some fascinating explorations in this novel, albeit in small moments. The most interesting of all comes when Luke finally decides to reconnect himself to the Force. In Luke’s mind, he sees two different versions of it: the Living Force, the spiritual energy that binds all living things together as explained to him by Yoda in Empire Strikes Back, and then the Cosmic Force.

The Cosmic Force is more akin to what we would see as Star Wars’ endless fascination with fate and predestiny. It’s the actual divine will of the Force, something that can wax and wane, and chooses to show itself in living instruments—Anakin and Luke are specifically described as such—when needed. Luke believes the Cosmic Force subsided after the end of the Sith with Palpatine and Vader’s deaths, but re-awoke sometime during his exile on Ahch-To. Unsurprisingly, connected to his vision from the prologue as the will of the Cosmic Force, Luke also believes that Rey is another clear example of that will—to the point he actually contemplates physically returning to the Resistance with her before he discovers her Force-powered conversations with Kylo Ren.

Full article

The comic and film both suggest that it's Luke catching himself. That's why there's a quick cut showing his hand, as he catches then lowers himself to the ground.

The Living Force was first mentioned in TPM. And TCW first talked about the Cosmic Force. So it's not new to the TLJ novel.
 
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