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I figure Palpatine was just better at throwing Force-lightning by the time he did it to Luke.

That just made me think of Robot Chicken, like a skit where Palpatine is practicing and he's like throwing Force lightning curve balls because he was frustrated that Obi-Wan caught it on his lightsaber. :lol:


I think absorbing force lighting and throwing it back is meant to be a very difficult skill that not even the masters can pull off. Again, Obi Wan choosing to use his saber to block after seeing Dooku use it on Anakin. While Windu was caught unaware with Anakin cutting off his hand, he probably could have redirected or “blocked” with one hand if he could since Yoda did in episode 2.

I'd like to think that the absorbing Force lightning skill is very advanced and you need someone with the length of training that Yoda had, to master it. Unless that power and Yoda knowing it, was common knowledge among the Jedi, I think they should have had Dooku look shocked and then panicked for a second before he deflected the return blast. That would have been even more awesome. I don't know why anyone would know Yoda had that ability because no one would have seen it used because the Sith were gone. It could also be an old technique that Yoda learned from some of the last masters who had actually faced Sith Lords in combat.

I think it could be a super advanced version of the energy absorption power we've seen in the movies (Vader deflecting Han's blaster bolts with his hand, yeah robot hands, but still...) and characters like Corran Horn in the EU who could absorb energy and then use it to "charge up" their Force abilities.
 
That just made me think of Robot Chicken, like a skit where Palpatine is practicing and he's like throwing Force lightning curve balls because he was frustrated that Obi-Wan caught it on his lightsaber. :lol:




I'd like to think that the absorbing Force lightning skill is very advanced and you need someone with the length of training that Yoda had, to master it. Unless that power and Yoda knowing it, was common knowledge among the Jedi, I think they should have had Dooku look shocked and then panicked for a second before he deflected the return blast. That would have been even more awesome. I don't know why anyone would know Yoda had that ability because no one would have seen it used because the Sith were gone. It could also be an old technique that Yoda learned from some of the last masters who had actually faced Sith Lords in combat.

I think it could be a super advanced version of the energy absorption power we've seen in the movies (Vader deflecting Han's blaster bolts with his hand, yeah robot hands, but still...) and characters like Corran Horn in the EU who could absorb energy and then use it to "charge up" their Force abilities.
This is what I’ve always assumed as well. Yoda being the only living Jedi who had plausibly faced dark force wielders with advanced skills.
 
That just made me think of Robot Chicken, like a skit where Palpatine is practicing and he's like throwing Force lightning curve balls because he was frustrated that Obi-Wan caught it on his lightsaber. :lol:




I'd like to think that the absorbing Force lightning skill is very advanced and you need someone with the length of training that Yoda had, to master it. Unless that power and Yoda knowing it, was common knowledge among the Jedi, I think they should have had Dooku look shocked and then panicked for a second before he deflected the return blast. That would have been even more awesome. I don't know why anyone would know Yoda had that ability because no one would have seen it used because the Sith were gone. It could also be an old technique that Yoda learned from some of the last masters who had actually faced Sith Lords in combat.

I think it could be a super advanced version of the energy absorption power we've seen in the movies (Vader deflecting Han's blaster bolts with his hand, yeah robot hands, but still...) and characters like Corran Horn in the EU who could absorb energy and then use it to "charge up" their Force abilities.
Dooku could re-direct it himself, so could perhaps have learnt that from Yoda, making it less of a shock to see him absorb it
 
I've been saying for years that they should just have the whole Sequel trilogy be a Force vision that Luke has. He wakes up like "Whoa, shouldn't do that..." and start over. :lol:
Easiest solution.. and they don’t even need to explain it.. have ahsoka walk by a portal that opens up and shows kylo and rey fighting.. some quick flashes of the ST.. and have her walk by and it close..

Then from here on out have a totally different story not following the ST…

Easy beans.. nothing needs to be explained fully.. or gone into detail; just a shows a time line, which in this ahsoka universe does not now follow..

But that’s too easy for Disney

Knowing them they will make a theme park explaining it all.. with park rides which involve you expecting dna and cloning snokes, that’s what kids want today!
 
Well there are a bunch of rumors running around that KK is trying to fast track the Rey movies so... yeah. Because that's what every SW fan wanted, to watch Rey rebuild the Jedi, not Luke Skywalker as George Lucas clearly set up in the OT.
 
When Vader defeats Palps by hurling him down the elevator shaft and Palps explodes into a Sith hurricane, Palps SHOULD have possessed Vader at that point and re-invigorated him, thus making Vader the new Emperor.

No, you have to directly kill him. throwing him over the rail doesn't count because its not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end (or reactor in this case).
 
Well there are a bunch of rumors running around that KK is trying to fast track the Rey movies so... yeah. Because that's what every SW fan wanted, to watch Rey rebuild the Jedi, not Luke Skywalker as George Lucas clearly set up in the OT.
If Disney still pushes Rey after everything that has happened, they deserve everything they get coming to them..

For the record I love Rey in TFA…

But what they did after that… forget it all for me
 
Sure, and taking the prequels out, I still think my interpretation stands. Luke was certainly not planning to arrest Palpatine. He was planning to ensure Palpatine stayed on the Death Star while the Rebels blew it up. But striking him down as an act of hate is completely another matter. Palpatine made a distinct point of saying that he is unarmed. There are two ways to read that: (1) I won't stop you, and (2) you have nothing to hide behind. I'm inclined to think that both apply here, as Palpatine was VERY clear: "Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete."

Basically, if he could get Luke's hate to run hot enough, the Dark Side would take over.

I think my theory as a kid or perhaps some from the book was that the Emperor was using mind control or was so powerful that he could convince you to do things if you were so angry and out of control. Since, Luke does strike first at the Emperor, technically that should have been the turning point if Vader didn't block him.

But I guess I thought it was kind of like how Obi-Wan manipulated / used the Force on the Stormtroopers in Episode 4. And remember Yoda has that line about beware the Emperor's powers and how he would suffer Anakin's fate. I never thought it would be simple verbal persuasion or winning / losing a lightsaber fight.

By the way, not to get deep into the Prequels because reasons...But part of me is still upset that Anakin walks away from the Emperor when he finds out that he's the Sith Lord they were after. He was essentially lost at that point since he was facing his enemy. Yet he was closer to the Emperor than the Jedi but that was barely shown in the movies, more the books. Also, as a kid and even now I still think Yoda should never have fought the Emperor.


That's one of the only problems I think the Prequels created, that Luke throws his lightsaber away. However, thinking about it, I think Luke did that knowing that Vader would turn back and save him.

I'm sure Luke turning himself in was so Vader wouldn't personally go after the Rebels. And because Luke still thought a small part of Vader was good. It was a bet. Luke says it to Leia on Endor. And I think to Obi-Wan and Yoda who I'm sure both don't believe it, that's why we get the there is another line. Both for the audience and as another possibility even though if Luke fails who was going to train Leia?
 
If Disney still pushes Rey after everything that has happened, they deserve everything they get coming to them..

For the record I love Rey in TFA…

But what they did after that… forget it all for me

I totally agree. They had a good place to start and then blew it. That's when we saw the change with current Lucasfilm employees when they set out on the Internet insulting fans who didn't like the Sequels. Most fans don't hate women, we just had characters like Mara Jade and Jaina Solo that were well written, so we know what they could have done.
 
The original parody short. The biggest expense was paying the venerable Paul Frees to perform the narration!

I've heard a story that the filmmakers were contacted by Paul Frees, him sounded frustrated and asking how they got someone who sounded like him to do the narration, with him apparently forgetting he actually did the narration and they told him it was him. Not sure if it's true or them making a joke.
 
If Disney still pushes Rey after everything that has happened, they deserve everything they get coming to them..

For the record I love Rey in TFA…

But what they did after that… forget it all for me

Yeah pretty much.

In TFA she was largely a gender-swapped copy of Anakin/Luke.

I don't have big feelings about what she became but the trilogy itself was obviously a disappointment with the public. If Disney proceeds like that didn't happen then they really deserve the trip to bankruptcy court.

George Lucas liked Jar-Jar. But when push came to dollars, he knew he had to dial the character back for the 2nd and 3rd movie.
 
Yeah pretty much.

In TFA she was largely a gender-swapped copy of Anakin/Luke.

I don't have big feelings about what she became but the trilogy itself was obviously a disappointment with the public. If Disney proceeds like that didn't happen then they really deserve the trip to bankruptcy court.

George Lucas liked Jar-Jar. But when push came to dollars, he knew he had to dial the character back for the 2nd and 3rd movie.
This is what KK needs to realize and fails to do

Like I’ve said, how many times has Disney done this to themselves? They still don’t get it? Shame on them, I have zero mercy

And after ahsoka I have zero hope in a Filoni leadership

Star Wars died for me after ROTJ
 
I've heard a story that the filmmakers were contacted by Paul Frees, him sounded frustrated and asking how they got someone who sounded like him to do the narration, with him apparently forgetting he actually did the narration and they told him it was him. Not sure if it's true or them making a joke.
Wow, that’s funny! The only person I’ve ever heard come close to doing a good Paul Frees impression is Corey Burton, who has done the Ghost Host lines for the Nightmare before Christmas ride overlay at the Disneyland Haunted Mansion, and part of the safety spiel. Paul Frees’ voice is unmistakable, if that’s not him then I’m flabbergasted!
 
This is what KK needs to realize and fails to do

Like I’ve said, how many times has Disney done this to themselves? They still don’t get it? Shame on them, I have zero mercy

And after ahsoka I have zero hope in a Filoni leadership

Star Wars died for me after ROTJ

I'm not so sure about Filoni either. Some people love The Clone Wars and other cartoons. I didn't see all of The Clone Wars and haven't seen the new shows yet. But for every good Clone Wars episode there seemed to be an equally bad or just dull one. And Filoni was the guy that I guess you could say teased that Ahsoka possibly died at one point when I think Clone Wars wasn't confirmed for another season. Which I just thought was a shockingly bad way to handle a character.

But worse, I remember watching a bit of a Round Table talk with a bunch of people involved in the new Star Wars series. And Filoni talked about The Phantom Menace. He said something like the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan / Qui-Gon was the fight for Anakin. I think some people at that table were nodding their heads. I remember thinking are these people crazy? Anakin was flying a spaceship at that time and could have been killed while that lightsaber fight was happening. But I guess Filoni was trying to be kind to George Lucas. The others? I have no clue.
 
I'm not so sure about Filoni either. Some people love The Clone Wars and other cartoons. I didn't see all of The Clone Wars and haven't seen the new shows yet. But for every good Clone Wars episode there seemed to be an equally bad or just dull one. And Filoni was the guy that I guess you could say teased that Ahsoka possibly died at one point when I think Clone Wars wasn't confirmed for another season. Which I just thought was a shockingly bad way to handle a character.

But worse, I remember watching a bit of a Round Table talk with a bunch of people involved in the new Star Wars series. And Filoni talked about The Phantom Menace. He said something like the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan / Qui-Gon was the fight for Anakin. I think some people at that table were nodding their heads. I remember thinking are these people crazy? Anakin was flying a spaceship at that time and could have been killed while that lightsaber fight was happening. But I guess Filoni was trying to be kind to George Lucas. The others? I have no clue.

Filoni was the apprentice to George Lucas. For all practical purposes, good or bad, Filoni is George Lucas Jr.
 

I think I like the OT better when the average rebel doesn't know Luke through Anakin's notoriety.

Anakin was just one more Jedi & pilot who got killed when TSHTF two decades earlier. (It cannot be common knowledge that Anakin lived on as Darth Vader or else Luke would have found out years before Vader told him at Bespin.) Anakin may have been kinda known in Jedi & pilot circles but I don't see why he would be famous among all the rebels. In ESB Luke doesn't even recognize Yoda, and you'd think he would be at the top of the list of iconic old prequel-era Jedis.

As for Luke having the 'Skywalker' name? Whatever. No name is gonna be very rare in a galaxy that big. Even here on earth there are lots of unrelated people named Ford, Hamill, Fisher, Daniels, Baker, Lucas, etc.
 
But worse, I remember watching a bit of a Round Table talk with a bunch of people involved in the new Star Wars series. And Filoni talked about The Phantom Menace. He said something like the lightsaber fight between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan / Qui-Gon was the fight for Anakin. I think some people at that table were nodding their heads. I remember thinking are these people crazy? Anakin was flying a spaceship at that time and could have been killed while that lightsaber fight was happening. But I guess Filoni was trying to be kind to George Lucas. The others? I have no clue.
Whats the context for this? Is he saying Anakin should have been at the fight between two jedi and a Sith?

Yeah, Filloni is an overrated fraud who is only praised because he isnt Kathleen Kennedy. Had he been at the helm from the beginning, we probably would have gotten something similar but replace Rey with Ashoka (ok to be fair, the ST might have had an actual story and not the jumbled mess we got with Kennedy).

I only think KK is pushing a Rey film as a power play. Just as Luke is a Lucas expy, Rey is KK’s character so Rey being marginalized and replaced by Ashoka as the lead would symbolically represent Filloni pushing Kennedy out to take the lead. Kennedy probably hopes that if the Rey film is a success, she would still remain as the head of Lucasfilm creatively.

Yeah, Filloni wears the “apprentice of George Lucas” as a badge of his own legitimacy, essentially using it as an excuse to say he is George’s successor so he can make decisions in the story when even George wanted him to do otherwise, the big one being to keep Ahsoka alive but “expelled” from the jedi vs Lucas who wanted her dead.


Filloni and Facreau were also responsible for the mess that was the Kenobi tv show, notably cutting scenes with Ray Parker reprising Maul and the focus on Obi Wan and Luke because it was “similar ground” to Mando. Filloni also worked to get Vader into the show when he wasnt originally going to be there, hence resulting in that plot hole where Obi Wan is able to defeat Vader in a duel but doesnt kill him because reasons (so OT can happen).

Honestly, Kennedy vs Filloni running Star Wars would only result in Rey or Ahsoka being the new focal point leading the Star Wars franchise which we already see. The Star Wars we enjoyed has already ended and thats ok. Stories can end. I dont see Filloni or Kennedy doing it justice.
 
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