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As long as the Gonk Droid standalone movie is still under development…in my heart…in my heart, that’s all that I care about…
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Solo4114
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I'm currently in the midst of a Cyberpunk 2077 runthru, and "gonk" has a very different meaning there, so this made me laugh doubly.
Riceball
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I originally liked the idea of the Taika Waititi directed Star Wars, up until I watched Love and Thunder that is. After that, I no longer thought that he'd be a good choice for directing a Star Wars movie. I think Taika is one of those directors best suited to directing his own thing and not existing IPs. Thor Ragnarök was good because he was able to balance the comedy and drama in it, but with Love and Thunder I felt that he leaned too far into the comedic end, and it just didn't work for me. My fears of him directing a Star Wars movie would be that he'd do it like Love and Thunder and lean too heavily into the comedy, While a little bit of levity and comedy in Star Wars can and does work, but in overly large doses it just wouldn't be a good fit for a Star Wars movie. Of course, I'd imagine that would also depend a lot on the writer and just how much influence that TW has on the scripts for the movies he directs.
Lightning
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Indeed, the key difference between Ragnarok and Love and Thunder is that Waititi didn't write Ragnarok. So he did well adding his style to someone else's story, but once on his own he went off the rails, not even sure of the final story while shooting, hence all the deleted and alternate scenes.
Solo4114
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I thought Love & Thunder was entertaining, but not as good as Ragnarok. I think the villain wasn't as effective as he could've been and didn't feel like as much of a threat (other than looking creepy). But to me, the real problem with the film was trying to portray Thor's relationship with Jane as this love for the ages...it just didn't really work. Mostly because in the previous films, it just didn't make sense why they were together other than "Here's two attractive leads who ought to get together in this movie because it needs a romance."
Thor's a himbo (even back in the original), Jane's a socially awkward astrophysicist. It might've worked if you'd showed their relationship more organically, but the first film just has them get together (which, I guess, we can forgive as "Hot people find each other hot"), but then the second film splits them apart and does it again, and yet makes it seem like their relationship was even closer? Then you get Thor showing up in multiple films (Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame), and Jane's nowhere to be seen...and now she's back and the love of his life? What? You can't just "montage" your way through that. I mean, the film did its best, but there's no getting around the disconnect between how these two people feel about each other on screen vs. what you didn't see between them.
I didn't care as much about the humor. That didn't bother me too much. The Guardians films already had plenty of that. But the narrative backbone of the film was just underdeveloped due to stuff completely out of control of the film itself, which then left the film feeling uneven.
All that aside, I question the wisdom of hiring him. It reminds me of the Lord & Miller hiring for Solo, and it feels like another one of these "Yeah, we're gonna have to reshoot like 60% of the film" things again.
Of course, this all presumes the movie even gets made, and I think that's...doubtful. At this point, Star Wars has had 3 films announced and definitively canceled (Kevin Feige's film, Weiss & Benioff's film, and Rogue Squadron), and at least four or five more announced but in development hell (Rian Johnson's trilogy, Taika's film, and whatever the post-ST films end up being). That's 8 films announced that either never will or have yet to make it to the screen. And that's not counting stuff like Colin Trevorow's Ep. IX and Lord & Miller's version of Solo. I'm inclined to take all announcements of Star Wars films as just so much hot air at this point, because their track record hasn't been great. And I can't help but think that the performance of Dial of Destiny is gonna have them taking a step back and seriously reevaluating their development strategy.
Thor's a himbo (even back in the original), Jane's a socially awkward astrophysicist. It might've worked if you'd showed their relationship more organically, but the first film just has them get together (which, I guess, we can forgive as "Hot people find each other hot"), but then the second film splits them apart and does it again, and yet makes it seem like their relationship was even closer? Then you get Thor showing up in multiple films (Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame), and Jane's nowhere to be seen...and now she's back and the love of his life? What? You can't just "montage" your way through that. I mean, the film did its best, but there's no getting around the disconnect between how these two people feel about each other on screen vs. what you didn't see between them.
I didn't care as much about the humor. That didn't bother me too much. The Guardians films already had plenty of that. But the narrative backbone of the film was just underdeveloped due to stuff completely out of control of the film itself, which then left the film feeling uneven.
All that aside, I question the wisdom of hiring him. It reminds me of the Lord & Miller hiring for Solo, and it feels like another one of these "Yeah, we're gonna have to reshoot like 60% of the film" things again.
Of course, this all presumes the movie even gets made, and I think that's...doubtful. At this point, Star Wars has had 3 films announced and definitively canceled (Kevin Feige's film, Weiss & Benioff's film, and Rogue Squadron), and at least four or five more announced but in development hell (Rian Johnson's trilogy, Taika's film, and whatever the post-ST films end up being). That's 8 films announced that either never will or have yet to make it to the screen. And that's not counting stuff like Colin Trevorow's Ep. IX and Lord & Miller's version of Solo. I'm inclined to take all announcements of Star Wars films as just so much hot air at this point, because their track record hasn't been great. And I can't help but think that the performance of Dial of Destiny is gonna have them taking a step back and seriously reevaluating their development strategy.
Not trying to turn the SW thread into a Marvel thread, but while we're on the subject, I just wanted to ask if anyone else had the thought that I did...
Love & Thunder had an almost overboard level of humor, some really juvenile, so even though I enjoyed it, it wasn't exactly what I wanted. After the fact, when I was watching it again with friends, I realized that the entire film was bookended by Korg telling the story to kids, so I began wondering if the goofiness was simply Korg's style of storytelling while keeping it light & interesting for his young audience?
Love & Thunder had an almost overboard level of humor, some really juvenile, so even though I enjoyed it, it wasn't exactly what I wanted. After the fact, when I was watching it again with friends, I realized that the entire film was bookended by Korg telling the story to kids, so I began wondering if the goofiness was simply Korg's style of storytelling while keeping it light & interesting for his young audience?
Solo4114
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Yeah, that came up over in the Love & Thunder thread, actually, as I recall. But also I think it's safe to say that Taika is just gonna Taika, unless someone else is writing things. And even then, he's a big enough name now that he won't hold back.
ghostryder
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Star Wars Undertakes Universe-Shaking Changes After ‘Ahsoka’
Creator Dave Filoni, Rosario Dawson, Hayden Christensen and Natasha Liu Bordizzo discuss how their show altered the galactic landscape.
Pretty much.
Jaitea
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Star Wars Undertakes Universe-Shaking Changes After ‘Ahsoka’
Creator Dave Filoni, Rosario Dawson, Hayden Christensen and Natasha Liu Bordizzo discuss how their show altered the galactic landscape.www.vanityfair.com
Dave Filoni Promoted To Chief Creative Officer - Star Wars News Net
Dave Filoni has been promoted to Chief Creative Officer at Lucasfilm, meaning he will oversee all future Star Wars storytelling.
www.starwarsnewsnet.com
Brilliant, Star Wars going from strength to strength….(sarcasm)
The man with the hat will burn down what’s left
Lucasfilm are rearranging chairs on the Titanic
J
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I haven't watched Ahsoka yet, but I think one of the most missed opportunities was a flashback to when she first encountered Luke and R2. R2 obviously would go nuts at seeing her again and it would have been interesting to see Ahsoka telling Luke about his dad. I would also think she would be have loved to hear that Anakin turned back to the light side thanks to Luke. That's the problem with a lot of current SW like BoBF, The Mandalorian, and Obi-Wan that they get maybe 90% of the way (40% for BoBF...) to something good, then drop the ball.
Dave Filoni Promoted To Chief Creative Officer - Star Wars News Net
Dave Filoni has been promoted to Chief Creative Officer at Lucasfilm, meaning he will oversee all future Star Wars storytelling.
Brilliant, Star Wars going from strength to strength….(sarcasm)
The man with the hat will burn down what’s left
Lucasfilm are rearranging chairs on the Titanic
J
I think the Ahsoka series had some good story beats throughout... but BOY did that series need at least 30% cut out. LOONNNGGG, drawn out pauses in dialogue with characters staring at each other.
Lightning
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Well, since it's a flashback, they could do it at any time. Not sure there was any real place for it in season 1.
kalkamel
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These two news reports are two years apart.
So before he was promoted to Chief Creative Officer, he was Executive Creative Director. What will be the next job up the ladder? Senior Director of Creativity?
And who was the Cheif Creative Officer before Dave?
Sounds to me whoever came up with these job designations is about as creative as whoever wrote for the Star Wars shows on Disney+ (aside from Andor).
I see it in the corporate medical world.
Dave's next title will be the Executive Vice President for Creative Submission Outreach
Riceball
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Basically, this means that Filoni is now top dog for all things creative, or at least all things media-related. A CxO is a top-level position and they usually sit right under the CEO or President on the leadership flow chart.
As to who was CCO before him, there was either nobody and this is a newly created position or it was Kathleen Kennedy.
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