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The worst part of ROTJ, I think, are the stunts. Everything from Luke's "Force kick" to Boba's flailing, to the abbreviated skiff fight, to a bunch of stuff on Endor I won't go into right now, to bad wire work, and also the fact that we didn't get the Jedi outfit we deserved, due to shortening Luke's outer garment from robe length to facilitate stunt work. In my fencing classes, we started with collegiate, but moved on into period fencing, street-fighting, taking on multiple opponents... I learned how to fight in my trench coat before I was twenty. There are ways to not have flowing garments get in the way, and I am heartily annoyed at Star Wars for just skipping that. One thing I have hated in the Prequels since first viewing is how everyone shrugs out of their cloak when they go in for a fight. *grump*
 
The worst part of ROTJ, I think, are the stunts. Everything from Luke's "Force kick" to Boba's flailing, to the abbreviated skiff fight, to a bunch of stuff on Endor I won't go into right now, to bad wire work, and also the fact that we didn't get the Jedi outfit we deserved, due to shortening Luke's outer garment from robe length to facilitate stunt work. In my fencing classes, we started with collegiate, but moved on into period fencing, street-fighting, taking on multiple opponents... I learned how to fight in my trench coat before I was twenty. There are ways to not have flowing garments get in the way, and I am heartily annoyed at Star Wars for just skipping that. One thing I have hated in the Prequels since first viewing is how everyone shrugs out of their cloak when they go in for a fight. *grump*
Thats what l loved about those Musketeer movies with Olli Reed Michael York etc..when they were about to fence they swished their clothing removed it or made a point of it getting in the way..Actually I need a rewatch...Christopher Lee was Brilliant in those and his death scene..love it!..
 
The worst part of ROTJ, I think, are the stunts. Everything from Luke's "Force kick" to Boba's flailing, to the abbreviated skiff fight, to a bunch of stuff on Endor I won't go into right now, to bad wire work, and also the fact that we didn't get the Jedi outfit we deserved, due to shortening Luke's outer garment from robe length to facilitate stunt work. In my fencing classes, we started with collegiate, but moved on into period fencing, street-fighting, taking on multiple opponents... I learned how to fight in my trench coat before I was twenty. There are ways to not have flowing garments get in the way, and I am heartily annoyed at Star Wars for just skipping that. One thing I have hated in the Prequels since first viewing is how everyone shrugs out of their cloak when they go in for a fight. *grump*
Considering how many of the duels are presented almost like duels of honor. Removing ones cloak or coat or scabbard, or what have you. Before the fight is very much a thing. Not that you can't fight with those things on.
 
Thats what l loved about those Musketeer movies with Olli Reed Michael York etc..when they were about to fence they swished their clothing removed it or made a point of it getting in the way..Actually I need a rewatch...Christopher Lee was Brilliant in those and his death scene..love it!..
I adore those movies (and have always identified with Athos). But that part always pained me, because it was apparent to me that it was "added incompetence" for visual spectacle. Some things, like wrapping up your cloak/tabard around one arm to act as a shield, or whirling it to distract your opponent, sure. There were quite a few touches that failed to land on me because they got fouled in my coat, or they were thrusting where it was but I wasn't.

Considering how many of the duels are presented almost like duels of honor. Removing ones cloak or coat or scabbard, or what have you. Before the fight is very much a thing. Not that you can't fight with those things on.
I'll give you that. In the films we got, and in my rewrites, there are some moments where I can see that being a thing, and they will likely get written that way. But the impromptu fights -- where one is ambushed or knows one is likely -- those needed to have been handled a bit differently.
 
My least favorite part of any of the OT duels was probably the weird flip backwards Vader does, when Luke kicks him off the steps leading up to the throne. I guess it’s because he looked so clearly like he was on a harness! Lol

Watch this scene in slow motion and you’ll see that they hooked the bottom of Vader’s cape to the heel of his boot, to try to keep the cape from flipping over his helmet, when he flipped backwards from Luke’s kick.


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I adore those movies (and have always identified with Athos). But that part always pained me, because it was apparent to me that it was "added incompetence" for visual spectacle. Some things, like wrapping up your cloak/tabard around one arm to act as a shield, or whirling it to distract your opponent, sure. There were quite a few touches that failed to land on me because they got fouled in my coat, or they were thrusting where it was but I wasn't.
Yes there were certainly moments played for laughs and obviously Roy Kinnear was the comedy element..
I have been looking for them to watch but cannot find them on the main streaming sites..
Of course Rachel Welch was the love interest in the first, I cannot really recall the second and RKs death put an end to Three or was that the second ?
I was quite young going to see it with my parents back then..
 
I'll give you that. In the films we got, and in my rewrites, there are some moments where I can see that being a thing, and they will likely get written that way. But the impromptu fights -- where one is ambushed or knows one is likely -- those needed to have been handled a bit differently.
And just going off my memory I can't think of many times where Jedi toss their cloaks. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon wear theirs for most of the(with Qui-Gon swapping out to a poncho for a short time). They don't toss their cloaks until their duel with Maul.

In AOTC, neither Obi-Wan or Anakin wear theirs while waiting around to see what will happen to Padmé. Then Obi-Wan wears his the whole time on Kamino, including his fight with Jango. Anakin wears his on Tatooine, and the whole time he's in the droid foundry. Mace dumps his when it's lit on fire. And the Jedi in the arena, it's a mix, some wear them, others don't. Then Yoda fights in his cloak.

In ROTS, Anakin and Obi-Wan wear their cloaks fighting through droids until they meet Dooku. And late Obi-Wan throws his off when he meets General Grievous. Mace and the other Jedi fight in theirs when they confront Palpatine. And then obviously Anakin and Obi-Wan dump theirs before their fight.

There's nothing in the OT, and Kylo is the only one to do it in TLJ. So in the whole saga it only happens 4 times that people dump their cloaks. Most everyone fights in theirs, or doesn't wear them to start with. Or they happen to loose them like Mace in AOTC or Luke in ROTJ.
 
I hate to say it, but I think you'r emore right than I am... But still not entirely. ;) I went back and checked, because I knew you were forgetting some things, and I didn't want to rely entirely on my memory of how out-of-place the Jedi-taking-off-their-cloaks-to-fight moments were fo rme...

Phantom Menace is actually pretty good about it. They keep their robes on all through -- gas attack, fighting droids, etc. They only shrug out of their robes when they go up against Maul, in a very deliberate move. I don't necessarily agree with leaving them behind, when they can be used in combat, but.

AOTC sees Obi-Wan and Anakin shed them while watching over Padmé while she sleeps. I do have a problem with that. Previously, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan pretty much establish that they keep those on while "on duty" and only ditch them in extremis. Taking them off in Padmé's apartment feels overly familiar if they're supposed to be on duty. They have them off through all the ensuing action, only having them on again next morning when reporting to the Council. Anakin packs his when he goes incognito to act as Padmé's bodyguard, but puts it on again once they reach her family's lake house. Yay for symbolizing he's "on duty" again. Which sort of implies he isn't when he doesn't have it on for the meadow scene and the soooooper-awkward fireplace scene through to the following morning. He has it back on again on Tatooine and keeps in on all the way through finding his mom, killing the Sandpeople, and bringing her body back, only to have it off when he's puttering in the garage after. He has it on when they bury his mom, off during the trip to Geonosis, on all through the fight in the droid factory... Obi-Wan has his on throughout -- flying, fighting Jango, all of it -- until both lose them when they're captured. It's mostly a good indicator of Anakin's emotional state, but I have a problem with Obi-Wan taking his off while they're supposed to be guarding Padmé, as I said.

In ROTS, they have them on while flying their fighters and boarding the Invisible Hand, only to both take them off when going up against Dooku (who doesn't). So a repeat of going up against Maul. They apparently earned a break after the rescue and "landing", because they don't get new robes until the following morning. Then they both keep them on until almost halfway through the movie, when Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau. Anakin has gone casual visiting Padmé and getting tetchy about Obi-Wan having been there. Speaking of whom, when he gets ready to drop in on Grievous, he takes his off again, as with Maul and Dooku, before. He doesn't regain it before Order 66. Meanwhile, Anakin has his back on while he's being all moody and becoming Vader. Obi-Wan gets one again when they land on Coruscant. Until they both take them off again to go up against each other. I'm guessing Threepio tidied up after they left, given Obi-Wan has his cloak again after the twins are born.

Obi-Wan, of course, keeps his cloak on all through ANH, except for the scene in his hut.

In Jedi, Luke has his on for all of two minutes, flinging it off as soon as he falls into the rancor pit. But mainly I was looking at the practices of the main Jedi characters when they were still an active thing. I find it interesting that those few moments when they so formally take them off to duel a significant opponent leap out at me as feeling "wrong". But you make a good case for the formality of dueling here in Reality-Land™. I think that could have been better conveyed. And I wish they'd found a better way to manage stunts and flowing robes than taking them off (or clipping them to the boots).
 
I hate to say it, but I think you'r emore right than I am... But still not entirely. ;) I went back and checked, because I knew you were forgetting some things, and I didn't want to rely entirely on my memory of how out-of-place the Jedi-taking-off-their-cloaks-to-fight moments were fo rme...

Phantom Menace is actually pretty good about it. They keep their robes on all through -- gas attack, fighting droids, etc. They only shrug out of their robes when they go up against Maul, in a very deliberate move. I don't necessarily agree with leaving them behind, when they can be used in combat, but.

AOTC sees Obi-Wan and Anakin shed them while watching over Padmé while she sleeps. I do have a problem with that. Previously, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan pretty much establish that they keep those on while "on duty" and only ditch them in extremis. Taking them off in Padmé's apartment feels overly familiar if they're supposed to be on duty. They have them off through all the ensuing action, only having them on again next morning when reporting to the Council. Anakin packs his when he goes incognito to act as Padmé's bodyguard, but puts it on again once they reach her family's lake house. Yay for symbolizing he's "on duty" again. Which sort of implies he isn't when he doesn't have it on for the meadow scene and the soooooper-awkward fireplace scene through to the following morning. He has it back on again on Tatooine and keeps in on all the way through finding his mom, killing the Sandpeople, and bringing her body back, only to have it off when he's puttering in the garage after. He has it on when they bury his mom, off during the trip to Geonosis, on all through the fight in the droid factory... Obi-Wan has his on throughout -- flying, fighting Jango, all of it -- until both lose them when they're captured. It's mostly a good indicator of Anakin's emotional state, but I have a problem with Obi-Wan taking his off while they're supposed to be guarding Padmé, as I said.

In ROTS, they have them on while flying their fighters and boarding the Invisible Hand, only to both take them off when going up against Dooku (who doesn't). So a repeat of going up against Maul. They apparently earned a break after the rescue and "landing", because they don't get new robes until the following morning. Then they both keep them on until almost halfway through the movie, when Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau. Anakin has gone casual visiting Padmé and getting tetchy about Obi-Wan having been there. Speaking of whom, when he gets ready to drop in on Grievous, he takes his off again, as with Maul and Dooku, before. He doesn't regain it before Order 66. Meanwhile, Anakin has his back on while he's being all moody and becoming Vader. Obi-Wan gets one again when they land on Coruscant. Until they both take them off again to go up against each other. I'm guessing Threepio tidied up after they left, given Obi-Wan has his cloak again after the twins are born.

Obi-Wan, of course, keeps his cloak on all through ANH, except for the scene in his hut.

In Jedi, Luke has his on for all of two minutes, flinging it off as soon as he falls into the rancor pit. But mainly I was looking at the practices of the main Jedi characters when they were still an active thing. I find it interesting that those few moments when they so formally take them off to duel a significant opponent leap out at me as feeling "wrong". But you make a good case for the formality of dueling here in Reality-Land™. I think that could have been better conveyed. And I wish they'd found a better way to manage stunts and flowing robes than taking them off (or clipping them to the boots).
The one thing I think about in AOTC, is knowing that both Anakin are going to be literally falling through the city, a big cloak may have looked silly. And I can't decide it feels more right that they are waiting around without them or not. In one regard the whole monk aspect, makes it feel they should be wearing them. It makes it feel, like you say, in like they aren't not on duty.
 
the Jedi outfit has always been lame, lame design, dull colors, GL strikes again with poor design choices, they shoulda hired the costumers from Starshiptroopers, worst of all green and purple lightsaber blades
 
I agree that the Jedi “uniform” probably shouldn’t have been the “hermits in hiding” garb we see Yoda and Obi-wan wear in the OT, but I have to admit that a lot of the alternate concept looks they explored didn’t look that great to me either, just from looking at the old concept art back then. So I dunno…

I do think Jedi Knights should’ve worn the Vader inspired armor more often (and I know they did in TCW). That would’ve been nice to see in the live action movies.
 
Yeah I remember that. Some sort of black garb would’ve been cool (and they did play around with that some in the TPM concepts) although I guess George decided to go with the stereotypical “black is bad” angle
 
Speaking of which, that’s something I liked about “new Luke”. He was wearing black garb and if you look closely, it was not simply his RoTJ getup. It almost looked ninja-like.
 
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