modelcitizen
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CB2001
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So, basically, reviewed by a modern Star Wars fan who is blindly devoted to Abrams and Johnson? Got it. XD
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modelcitizen
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no. not even basically. i think if you have decent comprehension skills it's basically reviewed by somebody whos head resembles a mushroom....
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Great topic. I prefer the lined up look as well though I do like the SE version. The 180° pan and looser formation of the SE works nicely with its more 'natural' flight dynamics. For the original though, the tighter rigid formation to me gives the group a more regimented feel if that makes sense. Sorta reminds me of the sight of an older army slowly marching toward an objective before breaking off into attack. It's also that my eyes just like seeing uniformity. And as Laspector stated, the original focuses nicely on the S-foils opening.
The ships taking off from Yavin base is another change I don't mind at all but again prefer the original. It could be nostalgia talking but there's something other worldly about the points of light blasting off in the distance. If you pause that shot, it has the look of a Mcquarrie painting. The SE looks great though too and I wouldn't argue with someone that preferred it. I do agree with Inquisitor Peregrinus it would've looked so good if done with models. I would say the same for the aforementioned SE Death Star approach.
In ESB, I don't mind the "window panes" in Cloud City. It's subtle and doesn't stick out as an obvious change. Still unnecessary for my taste but it works.
In ROTJ, hmmmmm. There's really nothing that comes to mind. I know people hate the blinking Ewoks haha. I actually don't mind it. I mean it does stick out to me because I'm so used to them not blinking but I think it's well done and gives those little buggers a bit of realism.
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CB2001
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A Review of The Empire Strikes Back, per your request:
Empire Strikes Back serves as a decent follow-up to A New Hope. Basically, it does what a sequel should do: expand on the universe without minimal retread, yet doesn't insult the audience by basically repeating beats previously established. The darker tone helps fit the film, especially since the titular Empire strikes back, and causes a lot of pain and suffering to the characters so that by the end of the film, you cling onto hope like they do. Would highly recommend Empire Strikes Back for viewing, especially if the theatrical cut or VHS release is available (as this reviewer hasn't seen any of the "revised" versions of the film since the Special Editions were released). The only film from the modern era that would remotely fit in the same tone is Rogue One, which is probably the only decent Star Wars film out of the five released within the past decade to get tone, look and feeling of a Star Wars film right (whereas A Genderflipped New Hope, The Last Dumb-i, and The Fall of Skywalker are only enjoyed by those too blinded by loyalty to the franchise to the point of willing to accept poor quality in story and character for the sake of massive quantity, and lacks any inspiration or hope that any of the previous films had to the point where the only inspiration that the Sequel Trilogy has is to serve as an example of how NOT to make a Star Wars film).
There's your review. I hope you find it more enjoyable than the mushroom head review.
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modelcitizen
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nah. i think you mushroom heads are still not quite getting it...but it's never wise to argue with mushroom heads so i'll leave y'all to it....
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Hmmmmm....I think that Oliver Stone may have something to say about this one and whether a “magic blaster beam”, fired from Han’s pistol, explains this issue—which I think is unlikely.
I theorize that there was a “second shooter” hiding near the bandstand of the Star Wars Creature Cantina (tm), based upon Greedo being blasted forward and to the right...forward and to the right....forward and to the right...forward..and to the right...
....my money is on Snaggletooth being the second shooter. He was likely funded by a cabal that included Mandalorian refugees, Hutts, Bothan spies (it’s ALWAYS Bothan spies), and the Organa Royal Family.
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CB2001
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Sure, walk away. You can try to deny it, but the truth is what it is. XD
HeartBlade
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regarding the SE, i dont mind the minor changes since I did come into the series later but i do not like the added expanded scenes like ANH Han talking to Jabba and the new ending.
Although its cool to see Han intimidating Jabba, its not right. Han should be wearing brown pants because he owes Jabba alot of money and jabba knows alot of bounty hunters, hence why Han joins the rebels in ANH and why he deciding to stay and save Luke being such a big moment, the consequences of which he suffers in ESB.
Also didnt like the expanded ending in RotJ, mainly because the contrast is too jarring. The OT is shot more original and grainy and then suddenly we get a scene of picturesque Naboo and Jar Jar’s we-sa free. Its due to tech improvements but I do wish the stuff Lucas added were better incorporated into the films since the CGI sticks out. Putting Hayden in as Anakin was well done in that regard. I disagree with the decision but Hayden looked to be part of the film vs Jabba or the singer who are really noticible.
Although its cool to see Han intimidating Jabba, its not right. Han should be wearing brown pants because he owes Jabba alot of money and jabba knows alot of bounty hunters, hence why Han joins the rebels in ANH and why he deciding to stay and save Luke being such a big moment, the consequences of which he suffers in ESB.
Also didnt like the expanded ending in RotJ, mainly because the contrast is too jarring. The OT is shot more original and grainy and then suddenly we get a scene of picturesque Naboo and Jar Jar’s we-sa free. Its due to tech improvements but I do wish the stuff Lucas added were better incorporated into the films since the CGI sticks out. Putting Hayden in as Anakin was well done in that regard. I disagree with the decision but Hayden looked to be part of the film vs Jabba or the singer who are really noticible.
HeartBlade
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Lol although problem with this is 2 fold. 1 is ESB is the sequel to one movie vs the ST which is a sequel to six so there is less need to care about “lore continuity” and ESB is well written in a narrative sense.
Alot of the complaints raised were also addressed in ANH. Force ghosts make sense since Obi Wan did speak to Luke voice only in ANH in the trench. The ghost is visual flair. Its also clear that Vader is toying with Luke and not trying to kill him, hence why Luke is able to last so long and he still gets utterly destroyed in the fight (losing a hand, saber, and left for dead had he not been saved by Leia and Lando). There is also enough tension and buildup for the last movie. Can Luke actually become strong enough to beat Vader? What is he going to do about the fact that Vader is his dad? Can the cast save Han? Its easy to see what ground RotJ will cover (save Han, defeat the Empire, Emperor and Vader) but there is enough tension to want to see it.
Problem with TLJ is this tension is gone. Big bad Snoke is dead. The First Order was established to be childish/incompetent in TFA so they arnt a huge threat. Kylo is now the big bad but Rey has beaten him in battle twice now and is expected to train to become even stronger. The beats essentially follow exactly like RotJ but we already saw this story play out better in a more interesting scenario.
Thats why RoS needed to resort to some stupid fetch quest to pad the run time, reintroduce Palepatine to give Rey a powerful enemy she might not be able to defeat, and make the reveal that Rey is a Palepatine to add some personal stakes and tension. Basically ground that was covered in ESB for Luke but all in RotJ which is why the movie feels both rushed and dragging.
CB2001
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Yeah, the Jabba scene, though cool, doesn't make sense in the story. But like I said, I haven't seen any alternations to Star Wars past the Special Editions, and actually prefer the Theatrical/VHS edits of the films over the changes made (especially to the model effects used in the film. Seriously, I have no idea what Lucas was thinking when he decided to remove most of the model effects, part of the thing that earned Star Wars an Academy Award for Visual Effects, from his films. Granted, ILM still did the CG effects, but still).
CB2001
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Back... and to the left. Back... and to the left. Back... and to the left. XD
HeartBlade
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I do think Lucas has a CGI is better stance and likes to push the envelope, thus having a personal preference to CGI over models. ILM is one of the pioneers in this regard and have revolutionized film-making through their technology so Lucas may have a but too much affinity for their work and accomplishments.
I also think we have to reassess Lucas as an artist. He isnt a good director in the traditional sense (not great dialogue) because he approaches film making in a different away. He mentions he thinks of dialogue as a sound effect and a vocal chorus in the overall soundtrack and approaches his films with that assumption because he knows he isnt good at writing witty dialogue. He uses dialogue to set the scene as opposed to narrating the story, hence why it is so flat and wooden in description. Its his style and he wont be winning best director awards but thats how he makes his movies.
Prequels would have been better if Lucas had a director and equal he could bounce ideas off of.
CB2001
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Yeah, from what I heard, it was the Editor who helped out with the original film, as there was a lot that Lucas filmed that ended up being excised. But I agree, having someone else to bounce ideas off of probably would have lead to a more streamlined version of the films that flowed better.
HeartBlade
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Yeah his ex-wife was the editor and his producer Gary Kurtz helped with making ANH. Lucas took a back seat for ESB and had a falling out with his producer there.
Kurtz left because he thought Lucas was focusing too much on toy sales and thought RotJ should end on a more bittersweet note (after saving Han, Han would die during the raid on an imperial base. No second death star. Leia becomes Queen, Luke sort of rides off into the sunset and leaves his friends).
Although Kurtz assumed Lucas was making decisions based on toy sales, i disagree. I do think the second death star was repetitive but the death star was representative of the Empire’s power and its fall is a clear indication of their defeat. I also dont think Han dying would have hurt Han toy sales and a Queen Leia or Luke as Vader figure would have done really well in terms of sales. Lucas rejected these ideas because we wanted to deliver a happy ending with the 3 friends together because the film was for kids.
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