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You can be a warrior without being a professional soldier. There's zero reason for jedi to have military training. They were not a military order.
 
Yea but every bloody tactical meeting and battle planning was run by the jedi in the movies. Nobody really seemed to be in charge of the actual war, Palpatine was the figurehead of the Republic but thete wasn't really any military leader and the jedi seemed to be on the front lines all the time.

I never liked the idea that there's a massive jedi temple in the capitol with open days for parents, mass training and just hundreds of jedi running around with lightsabers left-right-centre. The OT suggests that they weren't that much in the public knowledge and probably worked behind the scenes instead of being frontline assault units but I guess video game hijinks were more fashionable then.
 
cboath said:
Spin it how you will, but it's not hyperbole to say the EA has screwed up enough stuff that they should be far from a day 1 buy or preorder for most people. No one says it can't turn out well, just that its not a high enough probability to pay full price. I did precisely that with Fallen Order. When i bought it, i felt there was still a chance i wouldn't like it, but i felt the odds were much better and that turned out great. So, doesn't mean they can't do well, but not sure how anyone could be shocked or put off by the fact that a large number of people have EA on a 'prove it first' level.
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Fair statements - especially given their track record. I don't get caught up in a lot of that (internet uproar about loot boxes) if the core gameplay and graphics are good. I felt that MOTIVE and DICE did an awesome job with the Starfighter Assault mode in Battlefront 2 and this sounds like they are taking it to another level with tactics, mission planning, and (from the looks of it) better gamplay and graphics.

All that said, I probably won't buy it 'day one', but it will be on my radar for a purchase.
 
I always took Jedi as to be Force-using Shaolin Monks. They know how to fight, and defend themselves, but they do not use that knowledge for malicious purposes. They are peaceful by nature, but don't mistake peaceful for pushover.

sztriki said:
Yea but every bloody tactical meeting and battle planning was run by the jedi in the movies. Nobody really seemed to be in charge of the actual war, Palpatine was the figurehead of the Republic but thete wasn't really any military leader and the jedi seemed to be on the front lines all the time.
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The Jedi seemed to be easily drawn into a military command position, whether they wanted to be or not. While Palpatine was quietly siphoning power from the Senate, he was more than happy to let the Jedi do the dirty work on the front line as acting generals. The command structure seemed to be:
Jedi General
Padawan Commander/Clone Commander (ARC Troopers generally commanded the same respect)
Clone Captain
Clone Lieutenant
Clone Sergeant
Clone Trooper - and unofficially the newest troopers, the "Shinies," commanded the least respect from their brethren.

Jedi Generals and their commanding officers and Padawans were usually privy to strategy meetings, though General Skywalker seemed to give Captain Rex an unusual amount of free reign, and in the end he was basically a Commander, officially ranked as such or not.

In the end, it seemed that Palpatine would pin the entire war on the Jedi, and so scapegoated them as warmongers who dragged the Republic into the Clone Wars. Tyrannus/Dooku, under the guise of Master Sifo-Dyas, ordered the creation of the army, making it look like it was the Jedi's doing all the time.

sztriki said:
I never liked the idea that there's a massive jedi temple in the capitol with open days for parents, mass training and just hundreds of jedi running around with lightsabers left-right-centre. The OT suggests that they weren't that much in the public knowledge and probably worked behind the scenes instead of being frontline assault units but I guess video game hijinks were more fashionable then.
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The OT, for me, made it seem like the Jedi were a vagabond group of Force users who roamed the Galaxy seeking those who needed their help, and thus were the guardians of peace and justice before Vader and the Emperor systematically hunted them down. In the PT, this is essentially what we got, but with a centralized headquarters. The Jedi were, as an organization, well known, but the PT always made it seem like the Jedi were a tad secretive, and didn't just let anybody into the Temple to comb the library and play with lightsabers.
 
JoeG said:
You can be a warrior without being a professional soldier. There's zero reason for jedi to have military training. They were not a military order.
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Zero reason? Even if you take away the Clone Wars, you seriously can't see any situation where the Jedi need to have military knowledge? I mean by all means send a Jedi in to stop a crazy zealot whose militia is trying to take over a govt. without any military training. They're sent into combat situations so I don't know why they wouldn't be trained in tactics and basic military knowledge. Dueling training only gets you so far.


sztriki said:
I never liked the idea that there's a massive jedi temple in the capitol with open days for parents, mass training and just hundreds of jedi running around with lightsabers left-right-centre. The OT suggests that they weren't that much in the public knowledge and probably worked behind the scenes instead of being frontline assault units but I guess video game hijinks were more fashionable then.
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What? Where in the OT does it say Jedi weren't known to the public?
 
CT1138 already eloquently explained why the jedi were sent in to military situations with zero martial knowledge and deftly used facts and themes from the films to support it. There were specific reasons why the jedi were chosen as military commanders even when they shouldn't have been. And the outcome we got was exactly the desired result. Couple that with propaganda from Palpatine and the Empire and it all makes perfect sense why the jedi are regarded the way they were by the time we get to the OT.

Not trying to defend the PT or make them out to be great films, but in some regards they accomplished what was needed to get the story where its at in ANH.
 
Sluis Van Shipyards said:
What? Where in the OT does it say Jedi weren't known to the public?
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Nowhere, hence the word suggests. But in 20 years from ROTS to ANH people seemed to become pretty oblivious to the fact that there were 300 people jumping levitating, using telekinesis and glowsticks in the biggest bloody war ever. I always got the impression from the Imperial officers', Tarkin's, Han's etc comments that it wasn't like the jedi were the total posterboys out in the open and showing off everything but a bit more...discrete. Not saying a secret society but not full at the forefronts in hundreds. It's like people in the mid 60s forgetting that there were ever any paratroopers in Normandy and beyond or even that Churchill or Stalin were leading a war.
 
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sztriki said:
Nowhere, hence the word suggests. But in 20 years from ROTS to ANH people seemed to become pretty oblivious to the fact that there were 300 people jumping levitating, using telekinesis and glowsticks in the biggest bloody war ever. I always got the impression from the Imperial officers', Tarkin's, Han's etc comments that it wasn't like the jedi were the total posterboys out in the open and showing off everything but a bit more...discrete. Not saying a secret society but not full at the forefronts in hundreds. It's like people in the mid 60s forgetting that there were ever any paratroopers in Normandy and beyond or even that Churchill or Stalin were leading a war.
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Well I think you could compare them to the FBI. Most of us will never meet a FBI agent because we're not doing anything to interact with them. Now if you made an environment where talking about FBI agents gets you jailed, destroyed everything mentioning them, and then didn't teach about them, I could easily see people not knowing about them or pretending they didn't. I think people are also going by what they thought happened in the ROTS-ANH gap vs. what Lucas really envisioned.
 
sztriki said:
Nowhere, hence the word suggests. But in 20 years from ROTS to ANH people seemed to become pretty oblivious to the fact that there were 300 people jumping levitating, using telekinesis and glowsticks in the biggest bloody war ever. I always got the impression from the Imperial officers', Tarkin's, Han's etc comments that it wasn't like the jedi were the total posterboys out in the open and showing off everything but a bit more...discrete. Not saying a secret society but not full at the forefronts in hundreds. It's like people in the mid 60s forgetting that there were ever any paratroopers in Normandy and beyond or even that Churchill or Stalin were leading a war.
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The thing is though, perhaps both versions are accurate? We are after all talking about a film 'verse taking place across a whole galaxy. Billions of stars. Parts of the galaxy surely is more isolated than others.
 
I seem to recall in the ROTS novel it told how the names Kenobi/Skywalker were very well known by the general populace as heroes.

Whether or not you count the books as anything......
 
Sluis Van Shipyards said:
Well I think you could compare them to the FBI. Most of us will never meet a FBI agent because we're not doing anything to interact with them. Now if you made an environment where talking about FBI agents gets you jailed, destroyed everything mentioning them, and then didn't teach about them, I could easily see people not knowing about them or pretending they didn't. I think people are also going by what they thought happened in the ROTS-ANH gap vs. what Lucas really envisioned.
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That was my interpretation too, it's a good example only you don't see FBI agents going around doing magic and flailing with the most showoff weapon ever. It would have been more credible to me if other people were using the lightsaber as well for example.
The Terminator said:
The thing is though, perhaps both versions are accurate? We are after all talking about a film 'verse taking place across a whole galaxy. Billions of stars. Parts of the galaxy surely is more isolated than others.
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Might be but again space magic out in the public is quite unique.

Laspector said:
I seem to recall in the ROTS novel it told how the names Kenobi/Skywalker were very well known by the general populace as heroes.

Whether or not you count the books as anything......
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Yea they were literally on TV for the galaxy to watch in the novel. Which I guess can be ignored as we so often say if it's not in the movie it doesn't count.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything btw just giving my impression and ideas after the OT vs how it ended up in the PT.
 
Some of you might find this interesting. It's the original scored music to scenes from the film. This one is from the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.

 
neato but putting Binary Stars in place of the Ben Kenobi /Force Theme when luke contemplates the two suns at sunset doesn't "restore" the original Star Wars.
i don't think putting in edited out and unused alternate cues "restores" anything. just my 2 cents
editing the soundtrack to fit the film is par for the course in post. sometimes it's brutal...which JW darn well knows concerning the Phantom Menace. from what i understand, that score was cut and pasted just a little too much for his liking at the time.
but hey, that's showbiz and he knows the .... score
 
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