Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

Since I've been contributing to this thread mostly to complain the last few times, I'm gonna change the tune here for a moment just to balance things out:

- That new trailer is very good. It's well paced, showcases some nice looking shots, I like the use of "Sympathy for the Devil" as a period establishing piece (similar to "Hound Dog" in Crystal Skull) and, most importantly, at least it hints at a story.

- I never really got this fixation with Kathleen Kennedy from fan circles. She's just one more pawn in a giant, complex structure where higher powers and an infinite number of bureaucratic layers determine what goes on, not her. If anything, that lady is probably the closest there's left in Lucasfilm to the spirit of Lucas and Spielberg. She's produced more good films than Marvel or Pixar have made in the past 10 or 15 years. She's on record admitting that her first instinct was to resist the Disney choice to produce countless spin-offs of stuff. Chances are if she had actual final say on things, all these movies would be coming out better. And while this is certainly just a guess, I've always found it to be a more logical conclusion based on her track record than assuming she's pushing some weird agenda.

- Not sure what people expect Helena's role to be if not someone who propels the adventure? Indiana Jones has been rejecting the initial call for action since The Last Crusade and he's now 70 years old. There has to be some other character pushing him in that direction or there would be no believable or emotional reason for him to go. That's how you end up with his father, lost wife and son, and now goddaughter. It's just how stories work.

PS. Capitalism does involve taking from others for profit, although the line does feel a bit on the nose, doesn't seem to really match the context all that well, and it's kinda redundant after Crystal Skull—they already made the capitalist joke there, and it was better placed, since it was a greedy bad guy embracing it. Another word might have felt fresher there.

I hope that dial thing is not going to be the only prop to collect. I didn't see much else in the trailer to suggest a series of props like the first three movies and a flashlight and Mutt's knife were about the only things (beyond a 4th version of Indy's Fedora) to collect from Crystal Skull other than the skull itself (unless you wanted a vintage fridge to hide from atomic weapons).

There's also the Mask of Coronado and Spanish dagger in Crystal Skull. And this one is gonna have a whole Nazi train filled with treasure, so I think there's going to be plenty of cool stuff to collect in that department.
 
So I get my purely meant to be funny joke fake plot "Orlando Jones" post yanked with a mere spoof villain relative to Disney itself (no actual name used) and a warning about posting political messages (a joke movie plot that doesn't take sides is political?) and yet here's a half dozen plus posts of a much much more political nature.... (sigh)

I think the problem is politics, show business and economics are now intermixed to the point where you really cannot actually discuss simple movie plots (beyond "I liked/didn't like it" type fluff) and reviews without bringing up so-called political issues, like it or not because they're now purposely woven into the actual movie plots themselves (and I don't just mean the Roman Empire parallels to today type Star Wars stuff).

As such, I'm bowing out of the thread before I get banned for simply trying to generate some humor (which as most may notice is disappearing faster than Easter eggs on Sunday in society).
 
- I never really got this fixation with Kathleen Kennedy from fan circles. She's just one more pawn in a giant, complex structure where higher powers and an infinite number of bureaucratic layers determine what goes on, not her. If anything, that lady is probably the closest there's left in Lucasfilm to the spirit of Lucas and Spielberg. She's produced more good films than Marvel or Pixar have made in the past 10 or 15 years. She's on record admitting that her first instinct was to resist the Disney choice to produce countless spin-offs of stuff. Chances are if she had actual final say on things, all these movies would be coming out better. And while this is certainly just a guess, I've always found it to be a more logical conclusion based on her track record than assuming she's pushing some weird agenda.

She embarked on a SW trilogy and the storyline wasn't even roughly planned out ahead of time. Like, in this century. If that's not incompetence then I don't know what is. The majority of the gripes about the sequel trilogy are rooted in that basic foul-up.

Look at the track record of LFL movies. 'Rogue One' was a mess and got saved in post-production. With 'Solo' they basically filmed the entire movie and then replaced the directors & started over. 'Rise of Skywalker' was reportedly 9 figures over budget, it was getting slammed together days before the release, and the result was crap. The rumors & delays & re-shoots on Indy#5 are smelling like another 'Rise' debacle.

So out of 6 theatrical SW/Indy movies since George sold the farm to Disney . . . I count 4 productions that went off the rails. One more was a no-risk retread of ANH. The last one (Last Jedi) was a smooth shoot but the result was one of the most hated sequels ever made.


If it's not KK's fault then I don't know whose it is. These movies have had a list of directors & stars & writers, most of them with good track records. The CEO above her has varied too. If Disney's first decade with SW had been awesome then KK would sure as heck be getting the credit for it.

When I originally read that KK would be taking over LFL in 2012, I was encouraged. She looked like a good choice on paper at the time. But it did not turn out that way at all. The internet does a lot of ranting about wokeness but KK's plain old bad management is the elephant in the room. She should have been fired twice over by now.
 
So out of 6 theatrical SW/Indy movies since George sold the farm to Disney . . . I count 4 productions that went off the rails. One more was a no-risk retread of ANH. The last one (Last Jedi) was a smooth shoot but the result was one of the most hated sequels ever made.

If it's not KK's fault then I don't know whose it is.

Disney.

I mean, isn't it obvious from the very statement you're making? That's quite literally the differentiating factor in the equation. The company isn't independent anymore. Kennedy isn't in charge. Not truly.
 
Disney.

I mean, isn't it obvious from the very statement you're making? That's quite literally the differentiating factor in the equation. The company isn't independent anymore. Kennedy isn't in charge. Not truly.

What is "Disney"? Mickey Mouse isn't alive. Disney did not hold stockholder meetings to decide whether or not to plan the ST's storyline.

The CEO has changed twice between two people since 2012. KK has been the executive producer of LFL the whole time.

CEOs are not there to do executive producer's job. Just like the owner of a sports team doesn't stand around in the locker room telling players to work on their defense. The owner hires coaches & managers to do that stuff for them. The owner doesn't get involved except in the biggest decisions like trading a big star player or moving the team to another city.

When a team has a whole list of good players but they are still losing games, it's time to point fingers at the coaches & managers. The owners are only at fault to the extent that they hired the coaches & manangers (and failed to fire them when they should have).

KK is the most directly responsible person for LFL's creative output since 2012. There isn't any room to debate it IMO.
 
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What is "Disney"? Mickey Mouse isn't alive. Disney did not hold stockholder meetings to decide whether or not to plan the ST's storyline.

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KK is the most directly responsible person for LFL's creative output since 2012. There isn't any room to debate it IMO.

I think the flaw in your approach is that you (and many others) are trying to focus the blame on a single individual within a corporate structure, be it Kennedy, a CEO or some shareholder, when the reason those structures tend to produce weak work is far more systemic and complicated than that.

It's part of the very nature of those conglomerates, their sheer size and consequent way in which they dilute individual vision, confuse decision making and hinder the creative process—not in a deliberate, comic book villainous way, but simply because that's how they're put together. I mean, I'm not sure how much experience folks around here have with those kind of places, I assume since this is a prop making forum there's a fair amount of film professionals around. Some may know what I'm getting at. Some lucky ones maybe never ran into this problem. Even in other industries, it's still quite commonplace so I don't think I'm throwing any kind of wild theory out. It's just the way things are. And I think you can find a long list of examples through history.

And yet, if you don't buy this or just want to stick to the football coach analogy, you still have a person who ran a wildly successful production company responsible for quite a number of quality projects over two decades, where she was the one calling the shots. Cut to some years later, she's put in charge of another company under the umbrella of a corporation whose output through other sister companies is of questionable quality, and lo and behold, the projects she's working on also come out wrong. What's more likely to be the cause, the successful producer or the parent company that consistently puts out weak products? You choose what makes the most sense to you, to me it's rather clear.

Apologies to members who think this is a digression, I think it's still related to the Indy film but I also feel like I already made my point earlier in the thread, so I'm okay with leaving it at that. Besides, I liked the friggin trailer. Things are looking up and I hope the movie is fine.
 
The more I think of this movie and see the trailers.........I personally think there's no way we AREN'T going to see old and young Indy meet. I just feel like it's going to happen....
 
The more I think of this movie and see the trailers.........I personally think there's no way we AREN'T going to see old and young Indy meet. I just feel like it's going to happen....

Absolutely. No doubt.
 
The more I think of this movie and see the trailers.........I personally think there's no way we AREN'T going to see old and young Indy meet. I just feel like it's going to happen....


"Indy, Indy! It's your kid Indy. Somethings gotta be done about the casting of your kid. We are going back to the future/past!"

First Aliens, now time travel. The Mandalorian is about anyone but him. Obi Wan is a punk. No one respects or listens to Boba Fett who is also a bit of a wimp. The slow, slow, slow burn Andor about a character few were interested in. Learning a great deal about Mon Mothma's marriage, and for the best yet,....more movies about Rey!!!!!!!!!!!


This is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can not wait to see this movie. It really looks great, and not at all like a huge dumpster fire of crap.
 
The more I think of this movie and see the trailers.........I personally think there's no way we AREN'T going to see old and young Indy meet. I just feel like it's going to happen....

The same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time. We all know what happened to Senator MachComb.
 
I can't help but be skeptical with this, when the KOTCS trailer dropped, I was super pumped. Loved, loved The Last Crusade and the prospect of seeing Indy again made my inner child giddy. And when the music dropped in that trailer, I couldn't sit still. It brought back so many memories, I couldn't wait. Then......I saw the movie. And when I walked out of that theater, I felt the same way I did when I saw The Phantom Menace, literally drove home saying to myself, "what the hell did I just watch, how did they get it so wrong." I'd be lying, based on what Hollywood has done lately, if I said I wasn't worried.
 
I can't help but be skeptical with this, when the KOTCS trailer dropped, I was super pumped. Loved, loved The Last Crusade and the prospect of seeing Indy again made my inner child giddy. And when the music dropped in that trailer, I couldn't sit still. It brought back so many memories, I couldn't wait. Then......I saw the movie. And when I walked out of that theater, I felt the same way I did when I saw The Phantom Menace, literally drove home saying to myself, "what the hell did I just watch, how did they get it so wrong." I'd be lying, based on what Hollywood has done lately, if I said I wasn't worried.
To be fair, that first trailer for KOTCS is one of the best trailers ever made, period. Everyone got duped by it.
 
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