Lightning
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The Mario Movie currently sits at 59% critics rating, what critics like and what general audiences like are drifting further apart.
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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The Mario Movie currently sits at 59% critics rating, what critics like and what general audiences like are drifting further apart.
I don't think "bad", but probably anti-climactic. It's too long, Ford is 80 years old (playing a 70 year old Indy), so you instantly realize that any over the top action is heavily CGI'd.
INSTEAD: Why not just do some small 8 to 10 minute IJ serial adventures, in Black and White, the same as the 1930s adventures on which IJ was based? You could do them for Disney+, have a couple a month that all end with a cliffhanger, use a deepfake Ford/Indy, etc. Or use Anthony Ingruber.
Or better yet. Do the serials ANIMATED. And have Ingruber do the voice.
Just my 2 cents.
You know, I'll bet if they made almost that exact movie with the same adventurer but without Indiana Jones in it, the film would be a much better movie and better received. It could just be a simple adventure film that stood on the merit of the character, story and acting. Presuming they have the talent to put together a decent adventure film, the addition of Indy is, arguably, a distraction. This could even occur in the same time period which would leave the possibility of a crossover for a future film. This is how you could establish the character's agency independently instead of building her in the shadow of a legend.
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It would be refreshing to see Lucasfilm have the guts to create a new original IP. I know, I know, it's "easier, cheaper" to use an existing IP, but with the diminishing returns for so many of their major properties, is it really that much of a risk to start fresh with an totally new franchise? I'm just looking at this logistically. Star Wars feature films have had diminishing returns since 2015 and haven't been a thing since Disney+. Willow was cancelled after one season. Indy 5 is the "last" film at least in the sense that it's the final one Ford will play the character. Their SW cruise to nowhere is closing shop after barely a year for them to reasses and rework entirely. Setting aside my dislike for the direction these stories have gone, I'm just assessing the financials of this.
You can only mine the coffers for so long before you come up empty. It would be refreshing and potentially a huge win if they branched out. Lucasfilm since 2012 has only made Star Wars, Willow, and Indy. With all the wealth at their disposal you'd think that someone might speak up either offer up an original idea, or at the very least take a successful book series and adapt it. Again, I'm trying to be as objective about this as I can, and as easy as it is for me to knock Lucasfilm since their acquisition, I'm approaching this from the business perspective.
You can only mine the coffers for so long before you come up empty. It would be refreshing and potentially a huge win if they branched out. Lucasfilm since 2012 has only made Star Wars, Willow, and Indy. With all the wealth at their disposal you'd think that someone might speak up either offer up an original idea, or at the very least take a successful book series and adapt it. Again, I'm trying to be as objective about this as I can, and as easy as it is for me to knock Lucasfilm since their acquisition, I'm approaching this from the business perspective.
Speaking of Lucasfilm properties that Disney has “leveraged”…it appears that the window of opportunity to watch the “hit” D+ series Willow is quickly closing….
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That's interesting. I wonder if it's a matter of them thinking they're too big to fail? My wife is currently working for an organization where her boss is acting like a dictator and costing the company millions, yet no one is willing to stand up to him. I wonder if there's a similar situation going on with Lucasfilm where the leadership isn't willing to admit failure and they just keep plugging along? This is merely conjecture, but I am seeing parallels here.
Kind of off-subject but I'm guessing they're pulling these shows to lower their residual payments. Otherwise, why remove them? I believe the biggest dispute in the current writers' strike is related to streaming numbers. Kind of crazy that it may be the case that removing a show from its only distribution platform possibly also negates any payment obligation to writers/producers etc.Speaking of Lucasfilm properties that Disney has “leveraged”…it appears that the window of opportunity to watch the “hit” D+ series Willow is quickly closing….
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Lightning
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Yeah the rumor/theory is that shows are being pulled specifically to deny residuals from writers currently on strike, so they run out of money sooner and have to go back to work. Someone needs to cross-check that with what, if any, changes are being made to the schedule of shows airing on TV, since those checks would be bigger.
This is pretty much exactly what I expected. Sounds like it's not remarkably awful, but it's another mediocre mixed bag that doesn't improve the franchise. More proof that the series jumped the shark after 'Last Crusade.'
In a few months/years, when everybody's tongue loosens up about this project . . . . I think we're gonna find out it was Doomcock's scenario. The movie was originally designed for Indy to get replaced by PWB (or at least Indy would be totally upstaged by her for 2 hours). Then they got some feedback from test audiences and realized it would be a nuclear bomb. So they started delaying & reshooting half the movie. The end result is some middle ground between the two different movies.
In a few months/years, when everybody's tongue loosens up about this project . . . . I think we're gonna find out it was Doomcock's scenario. The movie was originally designed for Indy to get replaced by PWB (or at least Indy would be totally upstaged by her for 2 hours). Then they got some feedback from test audiences and realized it would be a nuclear bomb. So they started delaying & reshooting half the movie. The end result is some middle ground between the two different movies.
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The writers of that series should stay on the picket line and far away from any future creative endeavor….
I'm pretty much an outside observer at this point and the likelihood of that changing is pretty low. I haven't been actively engaged with any Lucasfilm content for years now, save for seeing Return of the Jedi in theaters a few weeks back. Though it's been interesting seeing how this has all played out.
Good or bad, I’m curious if the movie going demographic can support this, it’s an old franchise with a really old guy starring.
What connection does ages
18-34 have with this anymore? It’s not like Bond who gets refreshed for new generations, which is ironically what Indy was supposed to have had been planned in the very beginning.
What connection does ages
18-34 have with this anymore? It’s not like Bond who gets refreshed for new generations, which is ironically what Indy was supposed to have had been planned in the very beginning.
Ouch…that’s bad.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Review - IGN
The fifth movie fails to recapture Spielberg’s magic. With uninspired action and conflicting themes and character motivations, it’s proof that some things should just be allowed to end.
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ScourgiousJinx
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I guess I find it hard to believe that anyone would truly be surprised at this. It looks terrible,
While I know a film studio needs to cast a wide net with its releases, we here at TheRPF are the CORE TARGET AUDIENCE for an Indiana Jones film. This forum has writers, musicians, painters/artists/animators, architects, machinists, programmers, modelers, engineers, pilots, physicians, mechanics, attorneys, makers, even people with TV and film experience... all gathered together for our love of the "Great Adventure" that TV and film have brought into our lives. More than anyone else outside the production studio, we are the ones who would MOST love to see Ford one last time in a solid, well written adventure (and yes, TLC was the best sendoff for the character but Ford WANTED more Indy films, so it was going to happen anyway). Heck, we have the talent to make the film ourselves and hand it to Disney to rake in the $$$.
Why aren't there any talented, like-minded RPF type individuals in upper levels of creative control at Disney/Lucasfilm now? If there are, I can only assume the top management is shouting them down, to keep pumping out this kind of disappointment.
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