I really don't care how many times you try to explain it because I refuse to accept your viewpoint and if you find my comments tiresome feel free to gloss right over them without responding from this point forward. I've said how I feel and I have no interest in continuing this back and forth with you as we will never see eye to eye on the subject.

If this had been the star wars universe that we were all living in, you would be a Sith. Seeing everything in black and white.

Luke's lightsaber being green in ANH) weren't even fixed.

Something that just screams: lazy hack job
It is very easily fixed.

As with the PT stuff, the SE additions were done in 1080p HD. Which means...that's it

Only Episodes 2 and 3, Phantom was shot on film THANKFULLY!

So 8K is probably the ceiling of possible consumer-grade resolution formats for the next few decades.

Fixed ;) and that's just for FILM. Olympics in Tokyo are supposed to be aired in 8K so as for digital that will probably just keep increasing as technology evolves.
 
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Right, but the general theory behind the future release of the OOT is based on the notion that any higher-than-1080p-resolution release will require rescanning the OOT...at which point, why wouldn't you just clean it up and release it as is? Or, if they do an SE, since they'll already have a scanned OOT, why not use the cleaned up OOT as the basis for a new SE master and either re-do the effects or upscale what was done before? As you say, the cheapest route is to release the OOT in the new format, since it actually becomes more expensive to re-do the SE on top of that. And if you do release the SE, then releasing the OOT next to it (or, more likely, as part of a megaset where you have to buy all 15 discs or whatever), is pure profit, since you're already redoing the OOT to do the SE.

HOWEVER


For all of the discussion about how Lucas didn't foresee the future of high-res video, I don't think we can knock ol' George quite too hard. Jumping from 1080p to higher res requires a whole bunch of other things falling into place. Lucas may not have foreseen it, but streaming video creates a serious bottleneck for technology at the moment, or at least, that's how I see it.

You have several interests at play that make streaming a major factor. First, consumers love it. It's cheaper than buying, they don't have walls of discs they never watch, and you typically pay a low fee on a monthly basis to access tons of content. And you aren't having to upgrade your media system every few years just to play a new type of media. Second, the media companies love it. It erodes the "ownership" mentality surrounding media, because people get used to licensing it and never having a copy they can hang on to. It also helps cut back on piracy because you have nothing that resides permanently on the consumer's system (although someone will eventually figure out how to pirate stuff from Netflix, I'm sure).

The thing is, you also have interests arrayed against it. The companies that own the "pipes" over which streaming stuff flows are PISSED right now, because they just lost the FCC ruling about net neutrality. That will slow down how fast they'll be upgrading these pipes to handle more data flow. Which means that it'll slow down how fast resolutions change. You need much fatter pipes to handle consumers downloading 4K streams across the US.

I really, really doubt we'll see the 4K shift happen before 2020, and maybe even later. I mean, yeah, they're selling 4K TVs, and they're actually somewhat affordable, but nobody's making content in 4K yet, or even 2K. DVD was future-proofed for a while because it was higher resolution than the displays most people had. That meant that you could grow "into" the DVD resolution. Blu-ray came out just as everyone was finally switching over to an HDTV, so we've basically already maxed out that media. But the streaming thing is, I think, really going to slow down development of further high-res media formats. I mean, companies like Samsung and LG can make 90gajillionK displays, and put out new media formats like, I dunno, "Purple-Ray" or something, but what will slow the adoption of any of those formats.....is the people who own all the content. And they, I suspect, do not want to shift to another format. Not when they can license streaming rights to new sources, or start their own streaming services. So, in spite of the 4K displays out there, I don't think you'll see 4K content for a while.

And that means, I don't think you'll see a Disney release of the OOT for a while, even assuming the rights issues can be resolved.

Lowry Digital now known as Reliance Media Works have on their showreel & CV work done on a new 4K scan and restoration of the OT,....this work was done just before Disneys purchase.....and it looks beautiful,.....gone are the artefacts shown on the LFL scan done for the SE and subsequent Lowry restoration

This new 4K scan & restoration was likely for the planned 3D release

http://www.rmwusa.com

It's also worth mentioning that the new series of House of Cards on Netflix was filmed, edited and produced as a product at 6k

Planning for the future

J
 
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Thanks for getting this back to some actual discussion.

Fair use is a very interesting argument, but like it was also mentioned, I still think it by no means allows distribution of the product.

(V) Public interest work and research[edit]Section (V) is similar to a broader version of the third prong of fair use. It allows circumvention that is carried out to gain access to a work of substantial public interest solely for the purposes of "criticism, comment, news reporting, scholarship, or research."


The language of Section (V) is ambiguous, which led some critics to worry that the language was too broad, potentially enabling students to circumvent copyright to access books, films, and music for coursework, or allowing professors to create course packs without obtaining permission from publishers.
As Wikipedia says, the language isn't very clear; but, it is probably the best excuse anyone can have for these fan edits. While I think the argument can be made, I personally don't think it's a valid excuse for violating copyright law.

Fan edits promoting the brand? Star Wars needs help with promoting? :facepalm

Of course, this whole thread wouldn't be necessary if LFL had given us a great copy of the OT to begin with. Which leads me to my big question....

Does anyone know just how far along the Star Wars 3D process had gotten? I remember scuttlebutt a while back that it was put on the backburner and we might not see it. But, if work on the OT had started, are they doing restoration to it as well?
 
Does anyone know just how far along the Star Wars 3D process had gotten? I remember scuttlebutt a while back that it was put on the backburner and we might not see it. But, if work on the OT had started, are they doing restoration to it as well?

Episodes 1-3 have all been fully converted to 3D. AotC has a much stronger 3D depth than that of Phantom Menace. Al three have been shown in public. Still no info about releasing them on 3D bluray nor theater release :(
 
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Does anyone know just how far along the Star Wars 3D process had gotten? I remember scuttlebutt a while back that it was put on the backburner and we might not see it. But, if work on the OT had started, are they doing restoration to it as well?

It looks like the 4K restoration is done JD,....question is are they planning on re-inserting the SE segments??

All this info is sourced from a thread over at Original Trilogy site:

....theres an online CV of an employee of Reliance Media ..(Jazmine Marie)..stating her work experience:

https://services.creativecow.net/s/6299/jazmyn-marie-w
....her link has been changed,.....but this is a quote grabbed before her update:

"Restoration, Mapping, Dirt Picking : Star Wars 4K Blu-Ray Release"

A guy Ryan Gomez's Linked in profile:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-gomez/39/20a/405

"Some of the more notable projects completed during my tenure were Avatar, Prometheus, The Amazing Spiderman, The Social Network, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. The Image Processing team completed 4K restorations of The Star Wars Trilogy and Titanic and 2K restorations of Alien, Aliens, Terminator, The Abyss and True Lies."

Their Showreel on vimeo
[video=vimeo;95919913]https://vimeo.com/95919913[/video]

Heres screen comparisons using stills from the RM Showreel
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83709/picture:0
Click inside the image to get the New scan version & outside the image to get the DVD/BD image

...another
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83709/picture:1

...and another
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83709/picture:2

....more
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83700/picture:0
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83700/picture:1
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83700/picture:2

You probably notice that the images don't exactly fit exactly on top of each other,...ie when comparing the same frame of film theres a bit of warp or slight rotation of the frame,....this enforces that this is definitely a new scan

Another showreel

[video=vimeo;86986263]https://vimeo.com/86986263[/video]

....but as Dan, Bryan and others have said, don't get your hopes up on a 4K release just yet,....this restoration work was done just before the sale to Disney,....but at least we know its been done & done right this time

J
 
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Those look GREAT!
I had to go back and re-read your post, Jaitea, because I thought I was looking at the original film at first.
That new restoration looks like the STAR WARS I remember from my childhood.
I'm giddy now, just knowing this exists.
Only a matter of time now...
 
If this had been the star wars universe that we were all living in, you would be a Sith. Seeing everything in black and white.

That's because the law tends to be very black and white, there tends to be very little grey when it comes to the law, that's why they're written in such complicated language so as to remove as much vagary from the law as possible.
 

At the risk of being attacked and ridiculed, I think the BR picture looks far better, color-wise at least, than the original restored picture. I know that is an unpopular opinion, just being honest.
 
Episodes 1-3 have all been fully converted to 3D. AotC has a much stronger 3D depth than that of Phantom Menace. Al three have been shown in public. Still no info about releasing them on 3D bluray nor theater release :(
Thanks - I forgot about that (although it looks like RotS 3D will debut in a few weeks). I know we're stuck at 1080 for 2-3... but, I do believe work was done on ANH, so I wonder what source they're using for that (and the others...). Hopefully, it's the 4k version that's been discussed.



(disclaimer: I am not a fan of 3D movies; this is more about the source material used for the Star Wars films that have been converted to 3D,)
 
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At the risk of being attacked and ridiculed, I think the BR picture looks far better, color-wise at least, than the original restored picture. I know that is an unpopular opinion, just being honest.
I struggled at first with the images. I think there is much better detail in the restored images (the X-Wing pic shows this more) and the color might be more "true" where the BR images might be considered "warmer" and more immediately pleasing the eye (most prevalent in the Threepio image). The trench shot image seems to be a poor example of anything. The 4k image shows little or no detail of the explosion on the lower right side.

I wonder if these new screenshots are raw scans without any color corrections or any work - whereas, the BR would have had quite a bit of tinkering done to them.
 
I notice three things in the images:

1. The color timing looks more "natural" to me than the BRs or the DVDs. It looks neutral, rather than manipulated or controlled. It looks closer to my minds-eye image from the VHS copy recorded from TV in the early 80s that I had as a kid (on which I imprinted). All that said, it's difficult to evaluate color timing on a computer monitor.

2. The image clarity is considerably improved. The reduction in picture noise is noticeable. I'm really hoping that's native info, not "smoothing" or anything. It looks native to me, though, but I'm far from trained in these matters.

3. The image is a lot brighter. I wonder why that is? Is that how the source material looked, and it was toned down for the BR? Or is that a choice this time around as far as what to display?

Regardless, Lowry/RM-- when left to its own devices -- does some amazing work. Their restoration of the Bond films and North by Northwest is nothing short of beautiful.
 
At the risk of being attacked and ridiculed, I think the BR picture looks far better, color-wise at least, than the original restored picture. I know that is an unpopular opinion, just being honest.

Maybe an age thing? (dunno - I'm guessing).
I'm old enough to have seen STAR WARS in the summer of '77, and seeing the film restored in it's original color transports me back to those days.
The bluish BR restoration looks somehow... foreign to me.
 
Maybe an age thing? (dunno - I'm guessing).

Possibly...my first experience with the OT was on VHS, as I was still 3 years out from being born after RotJ left theaters, so I never had the theater experience (unless the '97 special edition counts towards that).
 
The particular VHS copy you had could make a difference, too, actually. There were several different iterations, as I recall.
 
Thanks - I forgot about that (although it looks like RotS 3D will debut in a few weeks). I know we're stuck at 1080 for 2-3... but, I do believe work was done on ANH, so I wonder what source they're using for that (and the others...). Hopefully, it's the 4k version that's been discussed.



(disclaimer: I am not a fan of 3D movies; this is more about the source material used for the Star Wars films that have been converted to 3D,)

I would personally prefer it if they would use an 8K scan of the film :p

I'm a fairly big fan of 3D films. As in shot-in-3d, not converted. The only converted 3D film I have really liked was Gravity and Titanic. Jurassic Park was "ok". ST: Into Darkness felt so very, very fake :facepalm
 
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Possibly...my first experience with the OT was on VHS, as I was still 3 years out from being born after RotJ left theaters, so I never had the theater experience (unless the '97 special edition counts towards that).

Thats the thing though,....everyone has different preferences,.....I'm just glad that theres more tone in the picture,.....remember it was LFL that oversaw the scanning of the film for the SE's,.....& years later Lowry got those files to clean up,....they did the best they could with it, but a lot of the tones were crushed down,....ie no hidden details in the dark areas.

At least now Lowry/RM got the chance to scan the source material AND restore them,.....which they specialise in

But what were they planning to do with the new 4K movies?.......we know that 3D was the plan,.....but were they gonna re-do the SE elements?

J
 
The particular VHS copy you had could make a difference, too, actually. There were several different iterations, as I recall.
It was a mid-90's release: it was full screen, the slip for each movie had a different character's head on it, and they included a Leonard Malten (sp?) interview with GL before each feature. I actually still have them at home, displayed with my lightsabers.
 
It was a mid-90's release: it was full screen, the slip for each movie had a different character's head on it, and they included a Leonard Malten (sp?) interview with GL before each feature. I actually still have them at home, displayed with my lightsabers.

I also have the OT on VHS as well (this one was a three part box set that came with each film having the original poster art as the VHS art). It was actually released before the mid-90s release you mentioned.
 
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