I'm not interested in making friends with my posts and never have been, though I've been fortunate enough to have made some really great ones along the way. A huge part of that is hashing out in depth what worked and what didn't, often disagreeing, but still finding common ground and mutual respect.
But they're not basically the same are they.... One is a beautiful piece of meat, the other... isn't. One is house, and the other isn't.
Luke projecting himself to Crait. Giving his life so he can apologize to his sister, confront and apologize to his nephew. Then ascending, to be one with Force. That's Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.
We are all very passionate about Luke Skywalker, we have that all in common!Well this thread has gone where I thought it would
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i know i'm late to the discussion but would like to offer a simple olive branch here...If we are talking about "context" then we have to have a pretext. Your "context" is based on the pretext of what we got in TFA and TLJ. Other arguments like Alley's might be based on the context of what we should have got, based off the pretext of ROTJ(which i personally agree with). Of course leaders and all human beings deal with mental issues, emotional etc..that's not what we are talking about here. Enter Mandalorian Luke. To me, awesome!! Makes perfect sense. The Luke i wanted, the Luke i expected. Why? based off of ROTJ Luke. Not a full fledged Jedi Master Yet. Add 5 years or so of experience to that since the defeat of the empire etc and you have a progression of his character. I expect him to learn his "Mastery". Ok...now add all the years in between then and TFA and we have the Luke that we got. The context of this Luke is based off of the notion that he failed, struggled etc. and therefor finds himself in this state. The reason why others(including myself) don't buy this is because we are dealing with the same Luke who NEVER gave up on finding the good in his father, despite all the atrocities he committed...that is pretext. If we are continuing the same thought, and yes, heroes stumble along the way and fall down...eventually they get back up because that is WHO they are because of their inner CHARACTER. Makes no sense that a once NEVER GIVE UP LUKE hides in a rock for so long because he failed at something. More so, If he does climb out of the hole(REF to TLJ), then we assume that internally he has come to his senses again to his original Never give up character, it even more makes no sense that he wouldn't physically go and help and/or fix his mistake in the flesh. Remember, he is the same Luke that said, "i have to confront Vader"...physically. Even more so now that he is a Jedi Master. So, again if we want to stand on CONTEXT...we ought to be consistent to what the PRETEXT is. In conclusion..this is why this becomes moot. We are either basing our argument on what was and what should have been to what was and what we actually got from the movies. Herein lies the division. I'm just really excited and thankful for the Luke we got in Mandalorian because i think, in large part, most fans expected to see a continuation of ROTJ when all the talk was about an episode 7 coming out. There will always be two sides to a coin even though the coin is made out of the same material...atleast i expect it to be that consistent.
This article does a pretty good job outlining my worry about where The Mandalorian may be headed next season. (Warning: contains reference to TLJ in a positive context and unflattering characterizations of Star Wars fans.)
Has The Mandalorian Succumbed to the Dark Side?
The final moments of the season-two finale represent the galaxy-collapsing shortsightedness that has come to define Disney-era Star Wars stories.
The second-season finale of The Mandalorian was the best of Star Wars and the worst of Star Wars, a momentarily thrilling and moving episode that, once you stepped back and took a hard look at it, felt more like a victory for the dark side.
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It’s hard to capture in words the galaxy-collapsing shortsightedness of requiring that every new Star Wars tale ultimately connect, however tangentially, with the same handful of genetically linked characters. Star Wars’ bizarre obsession with Force-amplifying, midi-chlorian-rich blood, and the proximity of “regular” characters to those with special blood, makes Lucas’s galaxy far, far away — a place so vast that you need hyperspace to cross it — feel as rinky-dink as a backwater American town, the kind of place where everybody is required to kiss the same local family’s butt for survival’s sake. Every time a Star Wars story genuflects to the Skywalker saga yet again, Lucas’s mythos shrinks further in the collective imagination. Sometimes it’s so small-minded that you’d think Disney’s mandate was to reimagine Mayberry with starships and laser swords.
Thus does the galactic rim in the post–Civil War era — thrillingly envisioned by Favreau and his Mandalorian writers as a science-fiction fusion of two related genres, the spaghetti Western and the samurai adventure — pivot without warning toward insularity. Thus does a great character like Pedro Pascal’s Din Djarin — an orphan who adopted a fundamentalist interpretation of Mandalorian self-identity and a genocide survivor who feels kinship with members of the Alderaan diaspora — become a mere extra upon the cosmic stage, fascinating not because of how he practices or compromises his beliefs but because he briefly met the dude who faced down Vader and the Emperor. And thus Grogu, a member of the same species as Yoda, becomes worthy of our attention not because he’s a case study in nature and nurture — possessing dark and light impulses and open to manipulation and corruption by vile tricksters like Moff Gideon (Giancarlo Esposito) — but because Luke deemed him important enough to rescue. He has a special purpose, you see. Not like all those other gifted kids throughout the galaxy who need a parent to guide them toward the light.
