The Mandalorian (TV series)
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bwize
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I know. With the clone lab they discovered and what looked like Snoke in the canisters supports the sequel films, but one can dream, lol
ghostryder
Legendary Member
Not to mention Gideon's quip about needing Grogu's blood to bring order back to the galaxy. This goes back to Favreau saying that The Mandalorian was going to explore the origins of the First Order.
Even though some fans may feel there is a separation between the films, tv shows, books, and graphic novels, Disney/LFL doesn't see it that way. Its one giant interconnected story now. I don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp.
Even though some fans may feel there is a separation between the films, tv shows, books, and graphic novels, Disney/LFL doesn't see it that way. Its one giant interconnected story now. I don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp.
CelticRuins
Sr Member
This is EXACTLY what I wanted.
I really hope this show isn't going to become so predictable as to just have him be training under Luke. Are we forgetting the absolute TERRIBLE track record the jedi have with kids?
We gonna take him to Ilum, where he might die getting a god damned crystal for his light saber?? The jedi are terrible for kids.
CelticRuins
Sr Member
It's definitely not difficult to grasp, I think people just truly want it to be wiped. But they forget Kennedy is still pulling the strings to all this. Just because they brought Uncle George in and gave him his own chair...and I think they're just being nice to the grandpa figure here...
It sucks that they are doing this, yes. But I am definitely not surprised.
The Mando being it's own thing was nice while it lasted.
Now the air is sucked out of the series for me. I know it was sucked out way earlier for many here, but I was still having a blast with it. The small amount of member berries were nice.
But I was just struck with one giant ass member berry. It's like eating WAY too much holiday dinner and now you're going to puke. No one wants that.
Jaitea
Master Member
Goddang it. Wrong twice in two days. I don't like you. Yup. Sure enough. Right there at the briefing where I'd not noticed it -- just Orrimarko down on the lower level with the other team leaders.
What are the odds production just re-used the same robe. In-universe, what are the chances Luke borrowed one of theirs to help pass himself off as a Jedi Knight? I mean, there's no Jedis'R'Us stores to go shopping for a full ensemble.
The moment Luke showed his face, I started guessing how many days before a YouTuber with a decent GPU would post an improved version. Why AI/ML face matching isn't part of a VFX studio pipeline at this point is beyond me. It's so far beyond motion capture for subtle facial expressions it's not even close. And it does better with worse source material.
Max Lloyd-Jones apparently played Luke in this episode. Disney could let Max play Luke in a full episode with tons of emotive screen time, and then share the raw footage with Shamook from YouTube for processing.*
*since Disney has gone in the direction that only Mark Hamill can play Luke
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I mean, look at what Weta Digital did starting with Gollum in The Two Towers. Reference marks on Andy's face, performance-capture cameras mounted close up... They did great with it all the way back in '02 and have only gotten better at it since. There were several times in Avengers: Infinity War that I actually forgot Thanos was CG, despite everything.
I know different budgets, but seriously -- they couldn't stick a bunch of white dots on Sebastian Stan's face, get a couple GoPro cameras mounted and then overlay Luke's face to blend the few inconsistencies in their appearances? Hell, if money is a factor, how many people doing DeepFakes on their home computers would be thrilled to donate their time to do Luke for honest-to-God on-air canon Star Wars? There really is no excuse to not nail it any more.
CB2001
Master Member
I'm probably one of the few who noticed how attractive she was in Street Fighter. I guess everyone does now because of that tweet. XD
That's odd. A user on YouTube suspected that they used DeepFake for Luke, note how "flat" Luke's face looked in comparison to the 3D rendered Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One. Does anyone know for sure if Deep Fake was used or if the previous 3D was?
South Park's Trey Parker and Matt Stone, along with Peter Serafinowicz, started a new project recently using a handful of DeepFake artists. It's pretty amazing how realistic it looks. I don't understand why VFX companies don't go in this direction. I also don't understand how it works exactly, so maybe the time it takes would be a factor.
I'm not going to post a link here, since their videos involve a certain prominent political figure, but you can go to YouTube and type in "Sassy Justice with Fred Sassy (Full Episode)"
I'm not going to post a link here, since their videos involve a certain prominent political figure, but you can go to YouTube and type in "Sassy Justice with Fred Sassy (Full Episode)"
Absolutely awesome finale, and I’m glad to hear that Boba Fett is its own thing and not season 3, that’s great to hear. With the Pedro rumors going around that he wants more face time and friction with Disney, which I don’t really believe, but for a moment there I thought that a season 3 with Fett might lend some credibility. But no, good. Din’s story is not over by a long shot! I’m really curious about how they brought Luke to life though. So Mark was on set and shot the scenes, but the Max guy as well, so I guess they shot them double, used Max for the body and then used Mark’s face, deaged, on top of it? Interesting then, the somewhat frozen face is not Max’s fault, seems it’s more a by product of the VFX used on Mark’s face. Worth noting that deepfake by itself, without the existing VFX would not look as good, but it’s weird they won’t indeed add a last layer of deepfake on top of the VFX since clearly it helps, and if it can be done at home, it can be done by a studio better probably.
Wonder if we’ll see Luke again in season 3. I’d be fine if not, but can’t lie, I’d be excited if yes, in small doses!
Wonder if we’ll see Luke again in season 3. I’d be fine if not, but can’t lie, I’d be excited if yes, in small doses!
CB2001
Master Member
A lot of people seem worried about Grogu's future, considering what happens in the sequel trilogy. However, I think he's gonna be okay because there's nothing saying he didn't complete his training years before the destruction of the Jedi Academy and he went off looking for Din. I mean, we don't know how far along in his training he was in when Anakin and Palpatine destroyed the Jedi Order (all we know is that he had at multiple teachers over the years and that he suppressed his usage of the Force after the destruction of the Jedi so to remain hidden. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Yoda himself trained Grogu at one point). It's safe to say that Grogu's future is certainly up in the air, but everyone instantly went to the "he's gonna be dead when Ben destroys the Academy" conclusion without looking at other possibilities.
Yeah Grogu might finish quickly. They just need to find him the right lightsaber to touch to get all his powers.
Wait! How could Grogu be done with his training in only twenty years. Luke trained with Yoda for a whole... wait a sec.. Never mind. Carry on
Riceball
Master Member
I imagine that it probably has to do with resolution. Deepfake works because most people are watching deep fake videos on a phone, tablet, computer screen, or maybe TV, but probably mostly on mobile devices. Where as for the Mandalorian, and other productions, they know that it's going to be seen on much larger screens, more often than not, so they need software that can handle working with the file sizes needed for 4K video. That's probably a lot more than the DeepFake software can handle or handle reliably without choking on the file sizes.
Strikerkc
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hmmm, yea, the original vs that deep fake is kind of a "6-of-one-half-dozen-of-another" thing. some moments the new one seemed better, some moments the original seemed better; to me at least.
I really think the biggest "downfall" of that de-aging, is not that it's BAD, it's just that it isn't as good as a number of us expected. We're hanging out in the entertainment forums of a prop and movie effects web page. we have likely seen (and realized we were seeing) more de-aging effects, and the different levels and options available to do the job, than most any viewer of the mandalorian. so we see that, and compare it to the all the ultra wizzbang de-aging we have info on and have seen and followed over the years, and think "nuts, i was hoping for more". Where as most folks watch it and simply go "IT"S LUKE!".
If they're going to have Luke back on these shows again, I'd still rather have an actor just play the role straight. Not out of any dislike of the level of CGI that was used, but because the idea of actors coming back and playing themselves as younger characters just doesn't sit well with me. I think about what movies would have been changed for the worse if we had had actors like Pacino skipping more age applicable roles to play a 20 something hot head through CGI. we'd have missed out on other younger actors coming up and making a name for themselves, and we'd have missed out on the great movies he did where he was cast as his own age. What happens to movies like god father II, or Taxi Driver, if they could have cast Brando to play the younger version of himself in the godfather films, or play Travis "because he's a proven actor"?
I digress.
I love you Mark, but let someone else have a crack at Luke if the mouse asks your opinion, please, sir.
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