harrisonp
Sr Member
My god man do you like ANYTHING?!
The Mandalorian (TV series)
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Everybody's talking about the shift knob, or even trying to turn this into yet again another broken record ST thread, and nobody's talking about Din Djarin being now the true MANDALORE?!?!?!? wtf guys...
This season finale felt like the end of the series, at least that's how I felt after watching it first. But now that we've had time to process what just happened (and after watching it a couple more times lol), think about it: now we've got Grogu finally learning to use his power, Fett back as a crime lord, Bo with almost her own fleet and the dark saber (albeit through Djarin... drama!), Gideon and the clone technician as prisoners of NR marshal Dune... If they are smart, there's so much to be told here.
So much.
I remember during the first season some people arguing the narrative was limited because of the lone wolf and cub format. I don't think these people have actually read lone wolf and cub. And there's no way Grogu's not coming back for his shift knob.
Yeah, my friend and I were discussing that the first two seasons of the show were basically Din refusing the call. He's been trying as hard as he can to NOT be the main character, but now he is THE Mand'alor. So hopefully, the show goes that direction and it's about him struggling to be THE one, having to reform Mandalore, dealing with his own tribe, etc.
robn1
Master Member
Plus R2's head looks like a giant shift knob.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
I really hope not. If there's any theme to be extracted from all the callbacks, references, and fanservice -- at least, in the first season -- it's that you don't have to be what the fates want you to be. Just because you look like Boba Fett doesn't mean you have to be Boba Fett. Just because you look like IG-88 doesn't mean you have to be IG-88. Just because you're ex-Imperial doesn't stop you from being a good person. You can become a father, or a nurse, or whatever you want; you can rail against the system that broke you and hold to your own moral code. The meta-story you inhabit shouldn't control your life.
That's also why I'm hoping Grogu's story isn't done yet; if he really is off to be trained as a Jedi, then that's it, the fates do call the shots after all. I guess if you're a Force user, you have no choice but to fall into the Jedi/Sith dichotomy.
I don't want these characters to have to play out the Star Wars roles you would expect from them wearing a certain kind of armor, or having green pointy ears and the Force. I just...I don't like it.
Jaitea
Master Member
Yes, that’s what I said on the previous page
‘Watching it again (fourth time), & after you guys suggesting it was R2 that rescued Grogu,....it makes sense,....perhaps the gearshift knob reminded the little fellow of something’
The Mandalorian (TV series)
So Boba Fett taking up residence in Jabba's palace. Is that why he was hanging around in ROTJ? Just looking for an opening to make his move, then Luke and company showed up and ruined his plans?
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HMSwolfe
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That’s a fantastic interpretation and I thank you for pointing it out
Ok guys...for those of you bothered that this show isn't just doing "its own thing," a side story of a cool bounty hunter who just happens to inhabit the SW universe, as we all thought it would be, I've had an epiphany...
This series was never meant to be that. It is actually a semi-continuation of the main saga after ROTJ, which continuation just happens to be told through the eyes of Din Djarin. So sure, there will be some self-contained episodes that pertain to his unique experiences away from the main characters we grew up knowing and loving. But the Force has willed his destiny to intersect and intertwine with the main narrative, and so there is a greater arc as these intersections occur.
Once you adjust your understanding of what the show is and was always meant to be, the complaints of it being full of "fan service" or "excessive callbacks," that the universe is "too small," etc. just fade away. We're being shown the story of Din precisely BECAUSE it matters in the greater scheme of the SW saga, and we're being given the opportunity to see the story continue by way of a completely new point-of-view, Din's, as opposed to that of the droids.
I for one am along for the ride!
This series was never meant to be that. It is actually a semi-continuation of the main saga after ROTJ, which continuation just happens to be told through the eyes of Din Djarin. So sure, there will be some self-contained episodes that pertain to his unique experiences away from the main characters we grew up knowing and loving. But the Force has willed his destiny to intersect and intertwine with the main narrative, and so there is a greater arc as these intersections occur.
Once you adjust your understanding of what the show is and was always meant to be, the complaints of it being full of "fan service" or "excessive callbacks," that the universe is "too small," etc. just fade away. We're being shown the story of Din precisely BECAUSE it matters in the greater scheme of the SW saga, and we're being given the opportunity to see the story continue by way of a completely new point-of-view, Din's, as opposed to that of the droids.
I for one am along for the ride!
He threw it off in the Rancor pit and IIRC he's never seen in a cloak again for the rest of ROTJ. So the replacement was black.
cboath
Master Member
Since it kind of pertains to Grogu....something i've never seen addressed what happens if you're trained as a jedi, but when you're 15 or so you say i'm outta here, see ya?
Everything we've seen is you're either a Jedi or you're Sith. Ahsoka was jedi until they basically bailed on her nearly unanimously, and yeah, they her walk, but that was over guilt. There's no way the Jedi had a 100% graduation/retention rate. So what exactly happens when they leave? You just can't go in the clubhouse (temple) any more?
Everything we've seen is you're either a Jedi or you're Sith. Ahsoka was jedi until they basically bailed on her nearly unanimously, and yeah, they her walk, but that was over guilt. There's no way the Jedi had a 100% graduation/retention rate. So what exactly happens when they leave? You just can't go in the clubhouse (temple) any more?
HMSwolfe
Master Member
My brother and brought this up while talking about the prequels a month ago. What’s wrong with Anakin leaving the Jedi? Who would stop him? Who would stop him from using the force/lightsaber while not being a Jedi?
Potroclo
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That's exactly what I meant when I said there's much to be told here if they are smart.
Grogu is a cute little mandalorian foundling, not a jedi. Din is a lone bounty hunter and the father to Grogu that he himself didn't have, not a leader or a ruler of worlds.
Grogu and Din are a clan of two, the clan of the Mudhorn.
How they struggle to let their bond prevail against all odds, despite what the galaxy seems to be wanting of them, is what I would like to see.
As far as Grogu not being wiped out with Luke's other students, that would be a cheat. The whole point of Disney/Lucasfilm doing that was to reset SW back to ANH with a single teacher/student relationship. They didn't want Luke to have any new Jedi in the Sequels. I don't know if it's because they were skittish about the Prequels or were just banking on the movie doing well if they were exactly like the originals.
AnubisGuard
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Yeah, but Favreau isn't going to (implicitly) kill baby Yoda in a massacre. I just don't think he has it in him.
You know, the other Favreau project that The Mandoloran reminds the most of is Elf. You have the new characters (Buddy/Din, Grogu) inhabiting a world filled with callbacks to beloved childhood movies/specials (The Rankin-Bass specials with Elf, Star Wars of course for Mando), interacting with established characters from the lore (Santa/Boba, Luke), and setting out on a journey to find where they belong in that world. If I'm right, Grogu going off to train with Luke is like Buddy leaving for New York; he'll learn new lessons and gain new relationships, but ultimately he'll return back where he came from, this time with a foot in both worlds.
You know, the other Favreau project that The Mandoloran reminds the most of is Elf. You have the new characters (Buddy/Din, Grogu) inhabiting a world filled with callbacks to beloved childhood movies/specials (The Rankin-Bass specials with Elf, Star Wars of course for Mando), interacting with established characters from the lore (Santa/Boba, Luke), and setting out on a journey to find where they belong in that world. If I'm right, Grogu going off to train with Luke is like Buddy leaving for New York; he'll learn new lessons and gain new relationships, but ultimately he'll return back where he came from, this time with a foot in both worlds.
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Strikerkc
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the point of luke taking him wasn't necessarily to make him a jedi. he talked about getting him to master his powers so he'd be safe.
There are a ton of people out in the star wars universe that can do things with the force. some self taught, some part of shamanistic traditions, local traditions, etc. I don't see the requirement that luke teaching the kid how to take care of himself over the next few years is somehow mutually exclusive with him forming an actual academy later.
Trains the kid up enough to take care of himself. kid doesn't want to be a jedi, or maybe goes off and does jedi things on his own. years later luke goes "that worked out real well, i've got this down, I think it's time to have a whole class of students and - oh my god everything is on fire; how could I have been so wrong; I'm a terrible failure I need to get away before I make this all worse!" LOL
That's fine, it doesn't have to be exactly what I said. I'm just saying I don't want it to go back into tying into the Skywalker story and retconning the sequels. I want it to be its own thing. Din doesn't have to stay the Mand'alor, that's fine, as long as the show sticks to what made it good in the first place instead of becoming more big picture Star Wars. If it was just him going back to being a bounty hunter or going around trying to mind his own business but getting dragged into helping people out a la the season premier, I would love that too.
I love that they can move on with the story without Grogu now. In fact, it’s fine with me if we don’t see him again for (at least) a couple seasons.
Favreau and Filoni have got me feeling like I did in 1977 as a 9 year old. Thanks boys!
Favreau and Filoni have got me feeling like I did in 1977 as a 9 year old. Thanks boys!
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