SW Acolyte in a tail spin

[universaljoint]

Nah, i think it was cool to see kyber bleeding in live action.

I thought that was very neat to see...

The thing is, and I literally just thought of it right now (days after seeing it)... Why didn't Anakin's crystal bleed in RTOS? I mean, he killed children with it. I'd say he turned Sithy enough that it should have happened.

My point is, in retrospect, that maybe it shouldn't have happened with her so quickly. Though it doesn't ruin what I thought was a pretty solid season. Number 2 is when it better show her fully in the dark side though, otherwise, it'll minimize that entire scene.

 

[universaljoint]

I'm fine with exploring historical figures, warts and all, but we need to remember to put it in context to the time they lived to give us perspective on it. It's easy to make judgements about a person who lived thousands of years ago, but we're often looking at their beliefs/ actions through our modern perspective and trying to apply that to a time and place where it doesn't fit.

Context, whether in fiction or history, is key. Sadly that's typically lost on a great majority of people.

As someone who's background of study is in heritage and cultural resources management, I agree that context is key. That doesn't mean we need to forgive old uncle bobby joe jim lee just because he's old and from a different time.


However, the evolution of our society also includes questioning why we would celebrate say, a historical monument that's related to something so far removed from our current values, when we understand now that the person was say Anakin Skywalker: a huge developer of land and cities in the Republic was also a child murdering, raping, Wookie slave owner once he turned to the dark side... Well, our values now don't tolerate that just because they did something grand, doesn't mean we forgive their atrocities. Therefore, we take down the monument that celebrates them. We take them down because we also know the motives behind why some want to continue to celebrate that.

Schools, museums, and libraries are the appropriate places to FULLY educate about people who have no right to be celebrated in open public spaces. There's a place for dinosaurs for a reason.

Emperor Palpatine's Statue was tore down at the end of ROTJ because it was a triumph over the evil it represented. To leave it up to "educate" in such a prominent position, could risk that becoming a rally symbol to those who miss the good ole days under the Empire.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I thought that was very neat to see...

The thing is, and I literally just thought of it right now (days after seeing it)... Why didn't Anakin's crystal bleed in RTOS? I mean, he killed children with it. I'd say he turned Sithy enough that it should have happened.

My point is, in retrospect, that maybe it shouldn't have happened with her so quickly. Though it doesn't ruin what I thought was a pretty solid season. Number 2 is when it better show her fully in the dark side though, otherwise, it'll minimize that entire scene.

Bleeding a crystal takes a concerted effort. One needs to pour their anger & rage into it. I say that to guess as to why it didn't happen with Anakin.

In The Acolyte,I felt it was another example of a great idea being executed poorly. If Qimir had given Osha some sort of instruction, told her to focus on the crystal, or just something, it would've made the scene more easily understood, while also answering any questions as to why we've not seen it before.

 

[guabe]

I thought that was very neat to see...

The thing is, and I literally just thought of it right now (days after seeing it)... Why didn't Anakin's crystal bleed in RTOS? I mean, he killed children with it. I'd say he turned Sithy enough that it should have happened.

My point is, in retrospect, that maybe it shouldn't have happened with her so quickly. Though it doesn't ruin what I thought was a pretty solid season. Number 2 is when it better show her fully in the dark side though, otherwise, it'll minimize that entire scene.

The way they explained this is that the crystal needs to be exposed to be bleed. There is an interview out there where Lesley said she talked to Pablo Hidalgo on it.

 

[guabe]

found it:

Leslye Headland Confirms That Major 'Acolyte' Finale Cameo: "Yeah, Baby. Plagueis."

Leslye Headland explains the major reveals in The Acolyte's Season 1 finale, the Osha/Qimir relationship, those major twists, & Season 2 plans.

collider.com

 

[Joek3rr]

The way they explained this is that the crystal needs to be exposed to be bleed. There is an interview out there where Lesley said she talked to Pablo Hidalgo on it.

Pablo is a yes man. Floating on the winds that be. Some "holy" lore protector he is not.

 

[Joek3rr]

The crystal wasn’t exposed for those two. They made a huge point of showing the broken saber (revealing the crystal) so Osha could touch and bleed it

It was one of the cooler moments, so of course it made everyone mad.

I don't hate the whole "bleeding" idea. It seems kinda silly. But the comics did it better by a 1,000 times.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Oh the irony.

LOL

 

[guabe]

I don't hate the whole "bleeding" idea. It seems kinda silly. But the comics did it better by a 1,000 times.

You can get away with a lot of things in comics that you just can't in real life. It's always going to be more flashy and spectacular; in any franchise.

 

[Joek3rr]

You can get away with a lot of things in comics that you just can't in real life. It's always going to be more flashy and spectacular; in any franchise.

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I don't entirely disagree. But at least they could have tried to do something. Bleeding of the kyber crystals has up to that point been something that required effort, determination, and purpose. It wasn't something that *just* happened because a dark side user touched the crystal.

 

[guabe]

I don't entirely disagree. But at least they could have tried to do something. Bleeding of the kyber crystals has up to that point been something that required effort, determination, and purpose. It wasn't something that *just* happened because a dark side user touched the crystal.

I agree, they could have done much better for sure.

 

[Psab keel]

I got to thinking about the aspiration of historical figures (heroes) to fictional ones and the more I think about it, the less the correlation holds up. By its very nature we know about real people who lived long ago based on accounts of other people who witnessed their actions, where a fictional hero is being witnessed firsthand by the audience. So the difference becomes a second hand account vs a first hand account. When you watch The Empire Strikes Back, you're watching Luke Skywalker live out the adventure he's on which allows you to make judgments based on what you're watching unfold in front of your eyes.

When you read about Abraham Lincoln, you're reading about a person who lived over 150 years ago and who we only know about because of the writings of his contemporaries, Lincoln's own words in journals and speeches he wrote, and the perspective of historians on his legacy. None of us were alive to witness Lincoln with our own eyes. The criteria for admiration is very different between the fiction and the reality of history.

It's also worth considering that the purpose of movies is to entertain a paying audience. It's far easier to admire or judge someone who never lived because they could be intentionally written to be aspirational. Historical figures are just people. Even the notable ones, like Lincoln, weren't created for us to be admired. Luke Skywalker was created to be a hero. That's the difference.

 

[SciFiMuseum]

The kyber crystal was exposed and touching her hand psychically which is why is bled from her rage and anger.

 

[cboath]

The kyber crystal was exposed and touching her hand psychically which is why is bled from her rage and anger.
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But from was established, it is a conscious effort. You focus on the crystal to make it happen. In this case ahe picked up a saber and turned it on while mad. Hence, people calling it a mood saber.

A bigger question why does it matter other than torturing a crystal? Nothing has been established to my knowledge that says the color od a blade gives it different powers or abilities. Its just a color.

 

[SciFiMuseum]

I never said it gave her different powers or ablities. I stated why it happened in the Acolyte...and this is the established canon now.

 

[guabe]

But from was established, it is a conscious effort. You focus on the crystal to make it happen. In this case ahe picked up a saber and turned it on while mad. Hence, people calling it a mood saber.

A bigger question why does it matter other than torturing a crystal? Nothing has been established to my knowledge that says the color od a blade gives it different powers or abilities. Its just a color.

I found this:


"Since kyber crystals are naturally attuned to the light side of the Force, those who serve the dark side must follow a different path. First, they must seize a pure crystal from the lightsaber of a Jedi they have vanquished in combat—for the saber of a Sith is not given. It is taken. Then, they must infuse that crystal with their pain, anger, and hatred, bending it to their will. This corrupts the crystal, aligning it with the dark side and making it bleed with unbridled crimson power. The bleeding process can yield unpredictable results. Some crystals shatter, making their energies unstable and unpredictable. Others resist their realignment, refusing to be bent toward the darkness. Once a crystal has been properly bled, the primal power it releases becomes not only a deadly instrument in the hands of a Sith Lord, but a symbol of their true strength in the dark side."―Darth Sidious

Here: Star Wars: The Secrets of the Sith

As I understand it, its more of a symbol of power?

 

[SciFiMuseum]

Thank you guabe...Yes I was about to add this. Being that Mae and Osha are the "same person" one of them took it from him and the other picked it up and completed the "ritual" and it bled out.

Even if we do not like it, this is now canon. I read all the comics and books, played the games and have seen everything like a lot of you here and, I totally know what the legends said before but now this is how it happens. Or at least one way it can happen. Not arguing just stating facts.

 

[Psab keel]

Crystals have feelings too! * this message was approved by the rock counsel sponsored by Geode.

 

[janglesworthy]

If that is true why didn't Anakins lightsaber turn red? He killed an entire village...not just men but the women and children too. Then he killed the entire Jedi temple, still no red as a Sith lord. He chokes his wife out almost to death and still no red.

This girl chokes out one guy with a mild temper tantrum and goes red instantly.

 

[Astyanax]

If that is true why didn't Anakins lightsaber turn red? He killed an entire village...not just men but the women and children too. Then he killed the entire Jedi temple, still no red as a Sith lord. He chokes his wife out almost to death and still no red.

This girl chokes out one guy with a mild temper tantrum and goes red instantly.

I think LH would have us understand that Anakin wasn't touching his crystal at the time.