SW Acolyte in a tail spin

[TheSweatshop]

I would like to see a s2...provided they dont treat the jedimthey show as abject morons with little to no clue about how to a jedi....i get theres supposedly a downfall...but they have 100 years left. There isnt much farther that they can screw up after that.

That is an aspect that I really like about the Prequel trilogy. All the Jedi seem extremely competent(not counting Palpatine slaughtering them), I couldn't understand it when the movies came out but after watching the animation and having 20 years to sit with them in retrospect, the Jedi made every wrong decision but it looked like the right one, from a certain point of view.

 

[gobler]

It's pretty apparent that LH & the writers didn't bother to read Darth Plagueis..

 

[NakedMoleRat]

It's pretty apparent that LH & the writers didn't bother to read Darth Plagueis..

I don’t remember Plagueis being a mutant zombie with glowing eyes.

 

[Paul Andrew]

I don’t remember Plagueis being a mutant zombie with glowing eyes.

Just a Muun.

Edit: Given what we saw the dark side do to Sidious and Anakin I don't think it's a stretch for similar things to happen to other species when individuals go dark side.

 

[Psab keel]

As a kid I partly assumed that's what using the dark side would do to your body. Similar to the way drugs can wreak havoc on a person, the dark side was so unnatural that it would eat away at them.

 

[AnubisGuard]

Luke was pushed to the edge when Leia was threatened. He went full barge on Vader, cutting his hand off, bearing him down.

This, incidentally, is why I endorse Luke's characterization in TLJ. He turned homicidal just from the threat that Vader might even try to convert Leia. Momentarily wanting to kill Kylo when he sensed the boy turning fits in with that.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

And the real kicker. That was literally George's intention with the OT. He wanted to counter the cynicism and negativity of the films in the 70s. He complained that kids didn't have the Western anymore. Where the good guy wore a white hat and the bad guy a black hat. And you knew who was who.

Well, I am glad that when I was a kid, I had an “embarrassment of riches”, when it came to having heroes with an absolute moral center to admire.

I feel very sorry for the kids of today.

 

[Ron]

The thing with Luke is that was a monumental lesson he learned in ROTJ after almost succumbing to the dark side; character defining actually as to amount to the culmination of his arc. It's hard to believe he'd make that same mistake again. Sure, shmucks like myself have repeated mistakes more times than I'd care to admit, but heroes are supposed to be aspirational figures, not mirrors of ourselves. That's why we look to them. I don't want to see a prone-to-err Luke Skywalker anymore than I want to see a depressed Superman.

But let me grant that it was totally in character for Luke to draw his lightsaber. Wouldn't it also have been in character for him to have picked himself back up and try to make things right instead of just giving up? As a matter of logical consistency, why did that character trait not also kick in? It doesn't make sense.

I know this topic has been beaten to death and then some but, this is why so many of us find his depiction in that movie baffling.

 

[janglesworthy]

The thing with Luke is that was a monumental lesson he learned in ROTJ after almost succumbing to the dark side; character defining actually as to amount to the culmination of his arc. It's hard to believe he'd make that same mistake again. Sure, shmucks like myself have repeated mistakes more times than I'd care to admit, but heroes are supposed to be aspirational figures, not mirrors of ourselves. That's why we look to them. I don't want to see a prone-to-err Luke Skywalker anymore than I want to see a depressed Superman.

But let me grant that it was totally in character for Luke to draw his lightsaber. Wouldn't it also have been in character for him to have picked himself back up and try to make things right instead of just giving up? As a matter of logical consistency, why did that character trait not also kick in? It doesn't make sense.

I know this topic has been beaten to death and then some but, this is why so many of us find his depiction in that movie baffling.

 

[edge10]

As a kid I partly assumed that's what using the dark side would do to your body. Similar to the way drugs can wreak havoc on a person, the dark side was so unnatural that it would eat away at them.

There was a scene or shot in Jedi, on the Death Star, that showed the Emperor with several people looked similar to him. I assumed they were Sith as well.

 

[Halliwax]

For the record I thought his cameo was incredible… weird eyes and all..

Now you can all shoot me lol

 

[Jodo]

There was a scene or shot in Jedi, on the Death Star, that showed the Emperor with several people looked similar to him. I assumed they were Sith as well.

I didn’t think the imperial dignitaries were Sith, but I did feel like Palpatine had also corrupted them as his followers, so the dark side was essentially eating away at them to make them look gaunt and wrinkled. As if the dark side came with that very apparent risk in its usage.

Turns out they’re just old and crusty, and in Palpatine’s case, shocked by his own force lighting…

 

[cboath]

This, incidentally, is why I endorse Luke's characterization in TLJ. He turned homicidal just from the threat that Vader might even try to convert Leia. Momentarily wanting to kill Kylo when he sensed the boy turning fits in with that.

Except it's orders of magnitude of difference between going after someone you have never ever known to be anything but an actual evil, homicidal, maniac who you're simply told was your biological father whom you've never had any actual relationship with and going after someone you have helped raise for 20 years.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Well, I am glad that when I was a kid, I had an “embarrassment of riches”, when it came to having heroes with an absolute moral center to admire.

I feel very sorry for the kids of today.

The best that kids can ask for today are anti-heroes.

 

[Psab keel]

They're often quippy smartasses to boot, which is fine in moderation, but it's difficult to take them seriously when they're constantly snarky. It's annoying in real life, and that translates to fiction too.

 

[VanPersie]

When we are talking about heroes, are we limiting it to fictional ones?

I genuinely ask, because I think for me, my heroes growing up weren’t Luke, Superman etc, it was real people like Lt. Col. Paddy Mayne DSO and 3 Bars. He was an exceptionally brave man (should have been awarded a Victoria Cross), along with being a great leader of men. However, he was not always a pleasant man to be around, with an issue with drinking.

Maybe having that has made be more open to the characterisation of Luke.

 

[Psab keel]

I'm speaking about fictional heroes, though you do bring up an interesting point about real people/ historical figures. I categorize them differently in my mind.

 

[VanPersie]

I'm speaking about fictional heroes, though you do bring up an interesting point about real people/ historical figures. I categorize them differently in my mind.

Fair enough, there’s certainly a different way we can view real people and fictional ones as heroes.

 

[gobler]

Read the novel. Plagueis even comments on the "monsterious" look some dark side users get if they delve too deeply into the dark side. He was very careful about that so he could blend in. Not to mention he'd be between 9-20 years old during the time frame this show takes place.

 

[Ron]

When we are talking about heroes, are we limiting it to fictional ones?

I genuinely ask, because I think for me, my heroes growing up weren’t Luke, Superman etc, it was real people like Lt. Col. Paddy Mayne DSO and 3 Bars. He was an exceptionally brave man (should have been awarded a Victoria Cross), along with being a great leader of men. However, he was not always a pleasant man to be around, with an issue with drinking.

Maybe having that has made be more open to the characterisation of Luke.

Yeah, I'm talking strictly fictional ones. I would not apply the same standard to real life heroes. Not even all fictional heroes have to be perfect. But when I think of Luke, I think of a callback to the mythical heroes of ancient times where they served as sort of idealistic examples of heroism that were maybe unrealistic to emulate but inspired you to try anyway.