Spider-Man pattern size issues and zipper location
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spideyman12004
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Just got my print from FOD. Couldn't check to see if the hand size is the same because the black from the symbiote pattern covered the outline when it printed (seems close though). But by laying down on the print the width and length seems to be right. Guess I'll have to wait till it's sewn to find out
yepimazombie
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Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. So I ordered an Orhadar comic Spider-Man design and had it printed by fabric on demand. I am 6 feet tall and have a medium/athletic build. After talking with Trophywife, as well as Orhadar, they recommended I increase the width of the file to accommodate my shoulders. After finding this thread, I began to worry about fitting into the suit height wise. Trophywife has my fabric and I just received confirmation from her that based on my measurements and height the suit should fit just fine. I resized the file by two inches in width, but I did not resize the height. Hope this provides some helpful info for you all.
Agent Coulson
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Sorry about being MIA the past two weeks. With all of this HYDRA uprising I've been a very busy guy ( Not to mention all of the Spidey gigs this past week AND I just rescued/ adopted a new Pom puppy!).
Anyway, so my seamstress dropped the ball for the first time in almost three years on me, and that REALLY put me in a bind! I already had four Spidey gigs booked for this past weekend and now no suit! I searched online frantically a week ago for a ready made Spidey suit that could be overnighted to me. Luckily, and with some help and advice from my good friends on here Sonny C and Joe Lai, I was able to track down a deluxe Zenati version on the ASM2 suit with a removable hood in my size. I'll post photos later. It wasn't really that bad surprisingly. Even had the raised spiders on the front and back. Color was off and a tad too bright, but other than that it worked and fit well.
Joe made a nice faceshell and lenses for me, which will work much better with my new suit, this temporary Zentai one has those fabric mesh eyes built in but luckily my magnetic eyes covered most of it up. What I will probably do is keep this suit as a back up and for kid events, use the TJack lenses on it, and use Joes lenses on the new suit once it is finally finished.
So with less than 24 hours to spare until my first gig last Thursday, I was scrambling to put a zipper on the hood of the Zentai suit and trying to get shoe soles on the feet.
Luckily it all came together and Thursday night went fairly smoothly as did the next two days of events. I really wish my new suit was ready for this weekend, but at least I had something and didn't lose these gigs all together!
Now about my new suit (Not the Zentai one). I did do a test fitting last week and here is what I have discovered: One size does not fit all! And that will be the moral to this story kids.
I resized the Orhadar pattern myself to 30", and what I found was that the suit was still very tight in the chest area, but too long in the arms and legs. Fortunately my seamstress can cut the boots and re sew them on to shorten the legs, and we are making speared gloves now to shorten the arms. So there definitely are proportion issues here. I think yepimazombie was on the right track by widening the pattern as well.
I have decided to just put an invisible zipper straight down the back and one of the hood as well.
As I said one size does NOT fit all, and the best way is to piece the suit together in sections sized for YOU!
But, this thread was created to help everyone make the proper adjustments and help make better educated guesses BEFORE you waste too much time and money.
I will post my photos later today, and please keep up with the great feedback and personal experiences!
chad3122
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This forum mostly talks about Orhadar's patterns. I purchased one of McManus' comic style prints and had some questions for him about resizing but he has not responded to me in the last couple of days (must be busy is all). I do not have the computer knowledge to resize it myself but I may have found someone to do it. I'm 6'2" 175lbs (slim build). Can I just simply scale the height by 2" or will that distort everything in the width department? I'm thinking I might have to scale it 2" all around and just get the seamstress to take it in where needed. I don't even know if 2" will be sufficient.
chad3122
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yepimazombie So by resizing the width and not the height the pattern was not distorted? I have to do the opposite as you and add 2" to the height and not the width...
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yepimazombie
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It didn't look distorted to me. I added 2 inches to the width and I don't think it really made a difference to the appearance of the pattern, so I would assume that adding to inches to the height would look even less obvious. Only downside of having to add for height is that it is going to add a bit of length everywhere. Arms, legs, head...everything. But 2 inches shouldn't distort it that much IMO.
SILVERTRON
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I'm kind of waiting till you get your suit back and see how it turned out before I make changes on my file. I'm also bang on 6ft and athletic build. I'm about 11.5 stone whatever that is in lbs.... If the widening by 2" works out for you I think that's the way I'll go.
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yepimazombie
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I'll absolutely let you guys know. I'll try and take pictures from front, side, and back as well so you guys can see overall fit.
SILVERTRON
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Nice one man. Can't wait to see how it all looks
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spideyman12004
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I shipped out my print to TrophyWife on Monday. Should have it back in a couple weeks. Will let you know how the resizing went
chad3122
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Does anyone know if the makers of theses pattern have a tutorial on resizing their patterns? I cannot seem to contact my pattern's seller @TaylorMcManus (must be busy). Does orhadar respond to people relatively quickly (within a week)?
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yepimazombie
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You usually have to have some form of photo editor such as Photoshop or Gimp. No matter how you resize, you are taking a bit of a gamble. Most of these patterns are a generic template that have just been redesigned to have a different look from one another, but the basic shape and size of the suit would be the same. Here is an example of why resizing is a gamble. Say you are 5'7 but have much longer arms than most people your height. When you adjust the image size down to accommodate your height, you are affecting every part of that image. The legs become shorter, head is smaller, arms are shorter, etc. By adjusting it to fit your height, you could make it too short for your arms. same goes for width. You adjust for width like I did and everything becomes wider. But to answer your you resize the file by opening their image in Photoshop, clicking the tab for "image" and then select "image size" and you should be able to add/remove inches to the height/width. They say if the nose of the mask, and the bottom of the belt measures 29" then it should fit someone between 5'9 and 6'1, but that is a big variance.
Wezzulus
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So I got my suit in and it fits perfectly. It's an Orhadar Print I sized up in both width and length. The 27" from middle mask to belt I sized up to about 31". I'm exactly 6 feet. I think if I didn't resize it, it would have indeed been way too small. 
Here is a picture of me with the suit quickly put on. Even the back zipper and mask zipper aren't causing any problems.
Here is a picture of me with the suit quickly put on. Even the back zipper and mask zipper aren't causing any problems.
trufunky
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Is that a darkened red?
Wezzulus
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Yep it is. The lighting in the room doesn't do it much justice though nor does the picture quality. But the darkened red is absolutely beautiful. Prefer it over the standard red.
Here you can see the difference:
Greyspectre
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One thing to note is that given the information that the raimi suit pattern orhadar uses was reverse engineered from a Spiderman 2 suit, the suit would have been made for Toby Mcquire or one of his stunt doubles. Toby Mcquire is 5'9" (at least according to the internet) so I would assume the suit is sized closer to 5'9 then to 6'1".
With a some of work a pattern that was actually adjustable size wise could probably be made it would take a little work though. I would think the best way to do this would be to have in person someone tailor a blank suit (no printing at all) to a person so that that it fits perfectly. Then disassemble the suit and take all the measurements of that person. You should be able to then reverse engineer a pattern based off those measurements. This is all complicated though by the fact that spandex has a negative ease which needs to be taken into account. The problem with doing this is that it requires a person who is two people working together who have a both interest in costuming to contribute a significant portion of time to the creation of the initial suit along with some expense (granted plain spandex is pretty cheap).
With a some of work a pattern that was actually adjustable size wise could probably be made it would take a little work though. I would think the best way to do this would be to have in person someone tailor a blank suit (no printing at all) to a person so that that it fits perfectly. Then disassemble the suit and take all the measurements of that person. You should be able to then reverse engineer a pattern based off those measurements. This is all complicated though by the fact that spandex has a negative ease which needs to be taken into account. The problem with doing this is that it requires a person who is two people working together who have a both interest in costuming to contribute a significant portion of time to the creation of the initial suit along with some expense (granted plain spandex is pretty cheap).
yepimazombie
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So I finally got my suit back! I used a U-Zip style and re-sized the comic style Orhadar by two inches for width since I have a bit broader shoulders than my waist, but I did not adjust for height. I am 6 feet tall. Here is what I have learned. The suit fits, BUT the mask doesn't stay in place very well. If I bend my head downward, the mask will pull back and the center of the mask moves up my face. This may be normal, and it may not. I'm not quite sure. If I bend at the body to look down instead of the neck, all is fine. That's better to do anyway due to the limited field of vision you have while wearing the mask. However, I would say for anyone that IS 6 feet tall or more, adjust the height of the file by 2 inches, possibly more depending on how much taller than 6 feet you are. My suit is certainly wearable, and I love it, but it's just a hair snug on the back of the neck where the mask zipper is, and I think if i would have made the suit taller, I don't think it would be as tight. The second thing I wanted to mention is the seam at the U-Zip does bunch up a bit when it is not pulled tight. I was informed that this happens because the suit is stretching but the zipper is not which is normal and usually the zippers will break in and form to the body a bit more if you wear it frequently. Again, not a big deal. Soooo happy with the suit. Trophy Wife did a phenomenal job and I will certainly be using her services again. Here are some photos. 
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