Re: So Cal Prop Party!! SET FOR MARCH 6th 2011 **SEE 1st POST**
I know you guys were trying to help him out, but you need to be a little more negotiating and not just tell him he's wrong and to go to his room. He's an adult (he shouldn't have had to prove it like he did), treat him like one.
If it was really that important to you to give this guy your personal advice, do you think maybe you should have done so through PM's instead of debating him on the face of the thread and potentially embarrassing him in front of people he is trying to become friends with? Matt, that "19 and young" speech you gave was really inappropriate and humiliating.
You are of course, entitled to your opinion, though I find your circular reasoning confusing. First, you say we should have taken that type of lambasting to PM, and then you turn around and attack me. Oh well. Doens't really worry me.
Also, Ceric has been VERY vocal and VERY open with his situation in life and things he consideres problems. He has often come to the forum for advice on how to deal with his circumstances, and how to overcome some of his problems. I even linked to a thread earlier in this thread containing some pertinent information.
My point is that it's not like we're airing dirty laundry on the dude. What we know about him is stuff we have learned on the RPF, including his pleas for help. So when the members of this forum respond with some advice that may not seem pleasant to folks who have skimmed this thread, you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel guilty for responding in a way that i consider appropriate, and possibly necessary.
I personally consider Ceric a good guy and a friend. We chat on facebook from time to time. I'm guessing you didn't know that. I am JUST as brutally honest with him in our chats, and I also try to share some of my hard learned life lessons with him while encouraging him and offering advice.
So I guess it's all context. While you may have viewed this thread as a beat-up or a pile-on, I saw it much more as a tough-love, come to ***** kind of thing. If you disagree, that's totally fine, and you are of course entitled to your opinion. I just don't want you, or anyone else reading this thread, to think that there's any kind of malice towards Ceric.