Rebels Freddie Prinze Jr. Star Wars rant

[Psab keel]

Diversity is a wooden ship.

But in all seriousness, representation in film is great as long as it's in service to the story and doesn't call attention to itself. Otherwise it's either pandering or propaganda.

It all comes down the story. Whether it's gender, or race or whatever. As long as all the elements of the movie are in service to telling a good story, that's all that matter.

 

[drcraig13]

Tell that to the CW.

 

[cboath]

Star Wars isn't open source, that's why we can't have gray Jedi.

To me it's simply terminology that lacks much of a distinction.

IIRC, grey jedi was a term the fan base (or possible an EU author) came up with for those who left the jedi order or were kicked out. In order to be a grey jedi, one would have to have been an actual jedi and either quit or left.

Once you're out of the order, you don't lose any abilities accept access to the temples/facilities/etc. You still have all your knowledge, skill, and ability. You just don't have the name and you are no longer bound by the rules

You can't say you can't be trained by un-affiliated. They did precisely with ahsoka in the clone wars. She left and was able to do whatever she wanted without interference.

Any canonical denial of the term seems to be nothing more than semantics. If you don't want people calling them grey/dark jedi, just make an official name. Otherwise the terminology will be invented by others. Have they ever given an actual term to Snoke and Kylo? I thought they said they were not sith. Is the official term Dark Force Users? or have they just left it as 'not sith'?

It's not hard, if you don't want people to use the name they've started to use, give them the one you want them to use.

 

[AJTaliesen]

To me it's simply terminology that lacks much of a distinction.


Any canonical denial of the term seems to be nothing more than semantics. If you don't want people calling them grey/dark jedi, just make an official name. Otherwise the terminology will be invented by others. Have they ever given an actual term to Snoke and Kylo? I thought they said they were not sith. Is the official term Dark Force Users? or have they just left it as 'not sith'?

It's not hard, if you don't want people to use the name they've started to use, give them the one you want them to use.

Sithish?

 

[jhazard]

To me it's simply terminology that lacks much of a distinction.

IIRC, grey jedi was a term the fan base (or possible an EU author) came up with for those who left the jedi order or were kicked out. In order to be a grey jedi, one would have to have been an actual jedi and either quit or left.

Once you're out of the order, you don't lose any abilities accept access to the temples/facilities/etc. You still have all your knowledge, skill, and ability. You just don't have the name and you are no longer bound by the rules

You can't say you can't be trained by un-affiliated. They did precisely with ahsoka in the clone wars. She left and was able to do whatever she wanted without interference.

Any canonical denial of the term seems to be nothing more than semantics. If you don't want people calling them grey/dark jedi, just make an official name. Otherwise the terminology will be invented by others. Have they ever given an actual term to Snoke and Kylo? I thought they said they were not sith. Is the official term Dark Force Users? or have they just left it as 'not sith'?

It's not hard, if you don't want people to use the name they've started to use, give them the one you want them to use.

The station of "I used to be Jedi" certainly exists, and may or may not deserve a specific definition.

But that definition is not up to fans to decide on, and create more lore around it and then expect that lore to show up in canon.

The gray Jedi code comes to mind.

It's much more about fans creating what they want, then forming a narrative around it - and then trying to puzzle together aspects of canon to fit that - rather than only describing what they see on screen (such as Ahsoka leaving theJedi behind).

There hasn't been a rash of Jedi leaving the order and creating their own adventures in canon (I don't think?) so there hasn't been a need for LFK to lend a term to it.

 

[Timmythekid]

After the Galactic Civil War, the cosmic Force became dormant and was seemingly quieted to those who could sense its presence. Turbulence within the cosmic Force coincided with the awakening of latent Force abilities in individuals such as Rey.

Wait...so what was Luke doing with his academy then? "Well, if you could sense the Force, it would go like "whooooosh", and then you'd be all "Ka-chow! I Flip over your head!" and 'brrrrrrrmmmmm......."!"?

 

[Cephus]

Tell that to the CW.

The CW is a crap pile. I stopped watching anything on the CW and virtually anything with the Berlanti brand stamped on it.

 

[Joek3rr]

Wait...so what was Luke doing with his academy then? "Well, if you could sense the Force, it would go like "whooooosh", and then you'd be all "Ka-chow! I Flip over your head!" and 'brrrrrrrmmmmm......."!"?

Sorry I'm not understanding what your trying to say. Sorry

 

[Joek3rr]

To me it's simply terminology that lacks much of a distinction.

IIRC, grey jedi was a term the fan base (or possible an EU author) came up with for those who left the jedi order or were kicked out. In order to be a grey jedi, one would have to have been an actual jedi and either quit or left.

Once you're out of the order, you don't lose any abilities accept access to the temples/facilities/etc. You still have all your knowledge, skill, and ability. You just don't have the name and you are no longer bound by the rules

You can't say you can't be trained by un-affiliated. They did precisely with ahsoka in the clone wars. She left and was able to do whatever she wanted without interference.

Any canonical denial of the term seems to be nothing more than semantics. If you don't want people calling them grey/dark jedi, just make an official name. Otherwise the terminology will be invented by others. Have they ever given an actual term to Snoke and Kylo? I thought they said they were not sith. Is the official term Dark Force Users? or have they just left it as 'not sith'?

It's not hard, if you don't want people to use the name they've started to use, give them the one you want them to use.

I think Dark Side user, is what they are using. Though me personally I like Dark Side practitioner, or Dark Side follower.

 

[Halliwax]

No, she is seen only in space before that.
But the male pilot that follows into the tunnels, and another female who was cut from the film both fly A-wings and do look a lot alike, I think.

Exactly who I thought it was!!

 

[drcraig13]

Ahsoka and Anakin where the 20th and 21st to leave the Jedi order. So only losing 21 people over the course of a thousand years should tell you that not many get out.

 

[Halliwax]

Ahsoka and Anakin where the 20th and 21st to leave the Jedi order. So only losing 21 people over the course of a thousand years should tell you that not many get out.

Jedi cult!!!

 

[Bigdaddy]

Ahsoka and Anakin where the 20th and 21st to leave the Jedi order. So only losing 21 people over the course of a thousand years should tell you that not many get out.

Jedi: the oldest cult in the galaxy!

 

[cboath]

The station of "I used to be Jedi" certainly exists, and may or may not deserve a specific definition.

But that definition is not up to fans to decide on, and create more lore around it and then expect that lore to show up in canon.

The gray Jedi code comes to mind.

It's much more about fans creating what they want, then forming a narrative around it - and then trying to puzzle together aspects of canon to fit that - rather than only describing what they see on screen (such as Ahsoka leaving theJedi behind).

There hasn't been a rash of Jedi leaving the order and creating their own adventures in canon (I don't think?) so there hasn't been a need for LFK to lend a term to it.

Well, yeah.

My first recollection of hearing the term grey jedi was just after TPM or AOTC, i forget which, when they mentioned jedi who'd left the order (ala dooku, so probably AOTC). They didn't have a term for that (and still don't) and fans started calling the grey or dark jedi and i think grey is the one that was most commonly used.

But i stand by the point that LFL can get mad at people using the term if they don't give another one. None is going to refer to them as 'jedi who left the jedi order and aren't jedi anymore, but still can do all the same stuff'.

 

[jhazard]

Well, yeah.

My first recollection of hearing the term grey jedi was just after TPM or AOTC, i forget which, when they mentioned jedi who'd left the order (ala dooku, so probably AOTC). They didn't have a term for that (and still don't) and fans started calling the grey or dark jedi and i think grey is the one that was most commonly used.

But i stand by the point that LFL can get mad at people using the term if they don't give another one. None is going to refer to them as 'jedi who left the jedi order and aren't jedi anymore, but still can do all the same stuff'.

Totally agree, it is gray area left by LFL.

 

[Ron]

I call them "Ronin" Jedi

 

[Timmythekid]

Sorry I'm not understanding what your trying to say. Sorry

If I understand what you're saying, then the claims is that the Force went dormant after Jedi. If so, what exactly was Luke teaching his students? This "the force went to go have a lie down for 30 or so years, and didn't wake up again until Rey arrived" doesn't make sense to me, either from the perspective of what we know about the Force from the OT (it's an energy field, created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together. It doesn't have feelings one way or another, and doesn't go on an extended sabbatical) or from the story perspective of "Luke started training a new generation of Jedi Knights".

 

[Joek3rr]

If I understand what you're saying, then the claims is that the Force went dormant after Jedi. If so, what exactly was Luke teaching his students? This "the force went to go have a lie down for 30 or so years, and didn't wake up again until Rey arrived" doesn't make sense to me, either from the perspective of what we know about the Force from the OT (it's an energy field, created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together. It doesn't have feelings one way or another, and doesn't go on an extended sabbatical) or from the story perspective of "Luke started training a new generation of Jedi Knights".

The Cosmic Force became quieted, but it didn't disappear. And there's still the Living Force. If I had to guess, it has to with there being balance in the Force for a time. But the Cosmic Force awoke, which happens before Rey has her moment with the lightsaber.

 

[Joek3rr]

Ahsoka and Anakin where the 20th and 21st to leave the Jedi order. So only losing 21 people over the course of a thousand years should tell you that not many get out.

The Lost Twenty were Jedi Masters who left throughout its history. Count Dooku was the last one. But this does not count people like Ventress, Anakin, Ahsoka, Barriss Offee, Pong Krell, or the unknown number of Jedi who became Inquisitors.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

If I understand what you're saying, then the claims is that the Force went dormant after Jedi. If so, what exactly was Luke teaching his students? This "the force went to go have a lie down for 30 or so years, and didn't wake up again until Rey arrived" doesn't make sense to me, either from the perspective of what we know about the Force from the OT (it's an energy field, created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together. It doesn't have feelings one way or another, and doesn't go on an extended sabbatical) or from the story perspective of "Luke started training a new generation of Jedi Knights".

My understanding is that The Force went into a dormant phase until a $4 billion deal between Lucasfilm and Disney caused it to “awaken”.

Am I missing something here?