I definitely see them!!
New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.
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I definitely see them!!
THX1138, Would it be possible for you to scan your photo of Mark and the toe-pic hilt at a higher, more qualitative resolution? As I'm looking at your original photo you shared earlier in this thread, it is a touch grainy and not quite as qualitative as perhaps it could be. If you could re-scan it, maybe we might be able to decipher more details on the hilt? Many thanks!
THX1138
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The photo is actually slightly out of focus down at the saber hilt. The scan is an accurate representation of the quality of the print unfortunately.
I went and bought a new scanner at Staples just to scan the print when I got it so I could share it on the forum. That was about 18 years ago.
- Jim
I went and bought a new scanner at Staples just to scan the print when I got it so I could share it on the forum. That was about 18 years ago.
- Jim
Ah, thanks for the info Jim, much obliged for your efforts to scan this fine image so well. It was a privilege to restore, edit and clean it. What a wonderful piece of movie history!
I've tried, the information just isn't there. Like THX said, it's not a resolution issue, the actual depth of field from the camera issue. The focus just falls off so it's nothing but blobs.
Gerard2567
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Well if the rumors are true about disney releasing the 77 original cut in 4k next year, then this thread will be.. Facinating at the very least.
TheUnchosenOne
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I'm not holding my breath for this
Gerard2567
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Each to their own. To me, it was pretty obvious that Disney couldn't release it earlier since Fox had owned the distribution rights to the movie. Now they own Fox.
I don't think there's anything holding them back anymore.
We have Alien 79 and A Space Odyssey, both of which have been or about to be released in 4k. If Disney doesn't jump on the gun, that's just disappointing and illogical.
Disney doesn’t exactly have the best track record when it comes to film restoration and/or making titles available. And they keep titles in their precious little vault to artificially inflate demand, then re-release them every decade or so. Of course, now that the Streaming Wars have begun, they’ll also be in a position to censor or suppress titles as they see fit, especially ones which aren’t available on physical media. There may also be some clause in the deal with Lucas that either gives him approval on home media releases, or stipulates that they won’t ever release the original cuts. We’ll see.
I think it’s most likely that they’ll release a 4K set of the current versions. I have zero interest in giving them a single dime, or buying a boxset which includes the franchise-killing films that they’ve produced. Maybe—MAYBE—if the theatrical cuts are given a separate release, and IF they’re restored properly. But that release will probably be screwed up, somehow, be it in terms of content or quality control. As it stands, the fanmade...um, aftermarket...versions of the films have almost made an official release superfluous, including 4K . The only room for improvement would be fully-restored (with no revisionism or modern color grading) 4K masters scanned from the actual negatives.
Or maybe they’ll actually remake the original trilogy from scratch. Anything goes, at this point.
ANYWAY, there’s gotta be a way to figure out the orientation of the stamping.
TheUnchosenOne
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This is more my concern. IF we get the "theatrical" OT, and I'm not sure there's a ton of market incentive to do so, will it be restored properly? Disney's track record with restoring its animated films is absolutely abysmal.
Exactly. The bootleg market understands what needs to be done, though: Proper/accurate restorations with the proper color grading, along with all of the original sound mixes. Bonus points for including both versions of the original film’s opening crawl and other gems like the EMPIRE 70mm cut. A definitive release with all of the variants, a la the BLADE RUNNER boxset. Even if Disney just releases the current masters upscaled to 4K, the bootleg market has already done a better job than they’ll probably do, unless they bring in people who actually know what they’re doing. Remember, Robert Harris volunteered to restore the trilogy FOR FREE, some years ago. And Mike Verta’s restoration project was pitched to the Disney suits, but nothing apparently came of it.
Anyway, even a 4K scan of the negative probably wouldn’t give us much more to work with than we already have. 4K77 didn’t provide much in the way of confirming the mystery rivets or the endcap stamping, after all. There MUST be photos out there which would solve some of these mysteries. We just need to keep digging.
The archives are full of photos not yet made public, or are very rare as they only ran in one publication back in the day. I've seen a few, and finally got my hands on one-- an ROTJ promo image of Vader where you can clearly see the ESB hero belt-hanger.
There's people who post here... PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ... that have seen material from the archives. It's not a case of intentionally being held back, it's that any image from a production is protected legally and needs permission to be released. When you have hundreds of photos in boxes in a warehouse, no one is actively going through them to give them to prop fans. That's not a thing they have any reason to do.
There's people who post here... PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD
... that have seen material from the archives. It's not a case of intentionally being held back, it's that any image from a production is protected legally and needs permission to be released. When you have hundreds of photos in boxes in a warehouse, no one is actively going through them to give them to prop fans. That's not a thing they have any reason to do.The archives are full of photos not yet made public, or are very rare as they only ran in one publication back in the day. I've seen a few, and finally got my hands on one-- an ROTJ promo image of Vader where you can clearly see the ESB hero belt-hanger.
There's people who post here... PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD
Right. There are of course legalities involved, too. I recall reading that inaccuracies were intentionally added to some of the licensed replicas as “tells” to avoid counterfeiting or auctioning of supposedly “real” props. And just look at all of the counterfeits which have gone to auction, over the years, EVEN FROM PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THE MOVIES, like Christian and Kurtz.
Of course, part of the fun of this hobby is the archaeology. The thrill of the hunt, and the discovery of new details. Having everything handed to us on on a platter wouldn’t be nearly as much fun!
Does anybody have the old school Star Wars RPG? I remember back in the 90s that after seeing the tech manual with the two buttons on the Graflex, I spotted the glass eye from a pic in one of the two original books.
I feel like maybe that's where I also saw the uncropped overlooking Mos Eisley image.
I feel like maybe that's where I also saw the uncropped overlooking Mos Eisley image.
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