New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.
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I agree that the d-ring looks off-center and covers more of the left than the right-hand side of the Graflex bottom in the freeze frame, above.
This is interesting...... what’s going on with the bulb release
Sure does... this is interesting
That's interesting, as Luke does ignite the saber in that scene, and they added a blade while he held his hand out from memory at some point, or did they hand him the spinning stunt as we see from some photos? The elstree saber does look like it was designed to possibly be a stunt hero combo. Maybe they used it, but it did not work out so great and they moved onto other ideas. It would explain it possibly being screen used in those screencaps.
In the pop culture quest video Hamill says they would put a pole on the end.
This is not the case when it comes to what we see on screen
But who’s to say Hamill isn’t talking about this exact discarded graflex, that’s what’s really cool!!
@ 0:59 he starts talking about it
... you all know I can to add alittle v2 to this thread
Maybe the welded washer is there to attach the pole very quickly and easily. I'd say they might have used a magnetic connection. Mark freezes, magnetic pole is attached, Mark continues the movement.
I think there's a fair chance that this saber can be screen matched!
I think there's a fair chance that this saber can be screen matched!
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I think he’s simply misremembering. Or, “sticking a pole on the end” may well be casual shorthand for swapping props out.
Maybe if you 3D Model the very off centered D-ring assembly of the elstree saber to that screencap, taking as reference that shadow with the shape of a line that could be very well the bracket holding the dring. Also taking account that the dring could be placed more to the left than to the right.
After that we could get to the conclusion that the saber in the deleted scene screencap, IS NOT the TOE PIC SABER, because this later one has the dring more centered.
We could conclude then at least TWO sabers were used (appart the stunt tube saber). Because of the different placing of the Dring. And we can theorize if this elstree saber is the one in the deleted scene, or the posibility of a third one, thinking on what are the chances that there are two sabers with the very same dring placing, being so difficult as they were custom made.
As I have said before, the ben cave scene was filmed in 3 different days, according to the production reports. April 23, april 26 and may 6. I think this scene suffered of multiple editing cuts, deleted shots and even reshoots. Posibly the may 6 was the day of the reshoots. Maybe is the day they used the stunt tube saber, and then they discarded the elstree saber.
Maybe Hamill´s memory is right about remember getting freezed so they would put the pole in the end, only that was for other stunt saber that was deleted from footage, and replaced by the rotating stunt blade. Or maybe he is just mixing with how they did it in the sequels.
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To totally rule out the toe pic saber would it not need to be exactly replicated with the elstree saber? The toe pic is cropped from a full photo of Hamill standing right? Could there be optical illusions happening? Making it look closer to the center?
I noticed that in the toe pic and one photo of the elstree saber that the clip does not appear to be exactly parallel with the top of the clamp. Considering that the bottoms are fully rotated and clamped. Then again, maybe what I am seeing is also a optical illusion of photography. May be nothing but here is what I mean.
Also was there not some research on the toe pic of the '3' or the 'C' being visible?
I noticed that in the toe pic and one photo of the elstree saber that the clip does not appear to be exactly parallel with the top of the clamp. Considering that the bottoms are fully rotated and clamped. Then again, maybe what I am seeing is also a optical illusion of photography. May be nothing but here is what I mean.
Also was there not some research on the toe pic of the '3' or the 'C' being visible?
Very well could be, but you never know
A quick glance at the shooting schedule indicates that the Vader/Kenobi duel was filmed first, BEFORE the scene in Ben’s home and the remote-training aboard the Falcon. Which would mean that any issues in working with the FX would already have been experienced and addressed. It also means that the Luke FX would have already gotten some heavy usage (in its alternate role as Vader’s FX). The idea that the scene in Ben’s home was troubled by reshooting and/or a failed, initial attempt to use the Elstree saber seems unlikely. Much more likely is the idea that the scene simply took several days to film, and that they simply used the existing Luke/Vader FX for the one and only shot of the saber in use, as all of the existing photos indicate.
I’m not trying to damp anyone’s enthusiasm, here, but people are now clearly wanting to see the Elstree saber everywhere—be it as a failed first attempt at a stunt FX or even possibly as an onscreen hero, despite no real concrete evidence to indicate it. There are no known photos of it appearing on-set as a stunt, and its alternate details (d-ring clip, dents, welded blade-retention plate) have yet to be matched with ANY photos or screencaps whatsoever.
Wait a minute... where is everyone getting these filming location sequences?
If the Vader Death Star duel was first.. the tip of Luke’s stunt was painted black..
In the hut the tip isn’t black, but in the promo photos the tip is black again?
Wasn’t the promo photos taken after filming?
If the Vader Death Star duel was first.. the tip of Luke’s stunt was painted black..
In the hut the tip isn’t black, but in the promo photos the tip is black again?
Wasn’t the promo photos taken after filming?
Here’s a chronological breakdown of the production. It looks to be culled from Rinzler’s THE MAKING OF STAR WARS, and therefore should be accurate.
The Making of Star Wars TimeLine : 1976
The Making of Star Wars TimeLine : 1976
NO SORRY. Shooting schedules are made weeks, even months before shooting, and they often change a lot. Production reports, or daily progress reports, are done day by day, and say that scene was done each day, in what stage, and how much screen time was acomplished.
Vader/Obi wan duel was filmed AFTER ben cave and the remote training, the days May 27, May 28 june 1 and June 3.
The production reports were published in the the book "The Cinema of George Lucas". Here a couple of photos.
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In this timeline you attach, The scene of the duel is filmed when I said. and obvioulsy AFTER lukes saber scenes.
So these conclusions of yours are imposible: "A quick glance at the shooting schedule indicates that the Vader/Kenobi duel was filmed first, BEFORE the scene in Ben’s home and the remote-training aboard the Falcon. Which would mean that any issues in working with the FX would already have been experienced and addressed. It also means that the Luke FX would have already gotten some heavy usage (in its alternate role as Vader’s FX). The idea that the scene in Ben’s home was troubled by reshooting and/or a failed, initial attempt to use the Elstree saber seems unlikely. Much more likely is the idea that the scene simply took several days to film, and that they simply used the existing Luke/Vader FX for the one and only shot of the saber in use, as all of the existing photos indicate."
Thanks Greg! I have all these books and was going to do this same thing by organizing dates. But looks like someone else already has
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