At least as early as West End Games, 1987. Where that in-universe ad came from.
The in-universe ad is from the Star Wars: The Role Playing Game, pg. 109. The Roleplaying Game 1st Edition WEG40001.pdf

Unless I missed something, I don't see any other lore.

We get this from The Star Wars Sourcebook.
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The Star Wars Sourcebook 1st Edition WEG40002.pdf

The Rebel Alliance Sourcebook gives very similar background.
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Rebel Alliance Sourcebook D6.pdf

Maybe I'm just missing it in one of the books...
 
Here's a good one, it's a what if video, what if George Lucas had directed 2001. To be more precise, it's more like what if Lucas directed 2001 and made it like Star Wars.

 
Yeah I remember the thing about the X-Wing being designed for the Empire back to the old EU. I don't know where it originated, but I remember that back story. There was even a mission (or two?) in the Star Wars: Empire at War game where you had to go to some Imperial research planet, get pilots to the X-Wing prototypes, and I think rescue/evacuate the engineering team.
 
Yeah I remember the thing about the X-Wing being designed for the Empire back to the old EU. I don't know where it originated, but I remember that back story. There was even a mission (or two?) in the Star Wars: Empire at War game where you had to go to some Imperial research planet, get pilots to the X-Wing prototypes, and I think rescue/evacuate the engineering team.
Remember that too and always thought it was interesting since it basically meant the rebels were using the Empire's own weapons against them. Also helps explain how the Rebels have superior fighters to the Empire despite the fact that the Empire is far better funded.
 
Define 'superior'? Breakdown of what we saw and heard in the film is as follows:

Nine confirmed Imperial ships versus fourteen confirmed Rebel ships (from dialogue and onscreen evidence), at least in that portion of the battle we were following. Of those, eight standard TIEs and eight verified X-Wings. Good balanced numbers for an experiment. A surface explosion took out one Rebel ship before the Imperial fighters even deployed. Vader alone took out six Rebels and a partial. I won't count his, as his ship wasn't standard. Han took out one Imperial. A second involuntarily suicided (evaded into Vader's ship, and spun into the trench wall). So we won't count those, either. Two Rebel fighters present were not confirmed X-Wings (Red 7 and Red 9 had dialogue or script references, but no models built). Those fighters were then conveniently taken out off-screen, as there were only six ships in the squadron when Red Leader made his run, all X-Wings. Luke's element was flying cover for that run and were still flying evasive due to the surface guns, but we saw no Imperial fighters attacking them or taken out by them. The Y-Wings we saw were not involved in the dogfighting. Three made the first trench run and were flying purely defensively. One was randomly there as Luke, Wedge, and the Falcon booked it away from the station, and may or may not have been part of Red, as one of the otherwise-unseen files.

So, the best we can take from eight for-sure X-Wings versus eight for-sure standard TIEs is: Two observed Rebel kills and two observed Imperial kills and a partial. All others were either other ships, which invalidates the data, or happened offscreen, so we can't know which ships were involved with which. In terms of final raw numbers, zero of eight standard TIEs survived the battle (unless those last four cut and run, which seems unlikely), and two of eight confirmed X-Wings survived, but with damage. From a numbers standpoint, that's more like parity than superiority, even given how external factors skew the numbers (four of eight X-Wings taken out be sources outside the measured factor, two of eight TIEs taken out similarly, and it becomes six TIEs to four X-Wings). But there is still an error margin, due to other factors. We do not know for sure what type of craft Reds 7, 9, and 11 were, or what took them out -- if, indeed, all were.
 
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Remember that too and always thought it was interesting since it basically meant the rebels were using the Empire's own weapons against them. Also helps explain how the Rebels have superior fighters to the Empire despite the fact that the Empire is far better funded.
It's funny how we all remember reading that, but we can't remember where we read it in.
 
Remember that too and always thought it was interesting since it basically meant the rebels were using the Empire's own weapons against them. Also helps explain how the Rebels have superior fighters to the Empire despite the fact that the Empire is far better funded.
It's funny how we all remember reading that, but we can't remember where we read it in.
Define 'superior'? Breakdown of what we saw and heard in the film is as follows:

Nine confirmed Imperial ships versus fourteen confirmed Rebel ships (from dialogue and onscreen evidence), at least in that portion of the battle we were following. Of those, eight standard TIEs and eight verified X-Wings. Good balanced numbers for an experiment. A surface explosion took out one Rebel ship before the Imperial fighters even deployed. Vader alone took out six Rebels and a partial. I won't count his, as his ship wasn't standard. Han took out one Imperial. A second involuntarily suicided (evaded into Vader's ship, and spun into the trench wall). So we won't count those, either. Two Rebel fighters present were not confirmed X-Wings (Red 7 and Red 9 had dialogue or script references, but no models built). Those fighters were then conveniently taken out off-screen, as there were only six ships in the squadron when Red Leader made his run, all X-Wings. Luke's element was flying cover for that run and were still flying evasive due to the surface guns, but we saw no Imperial fighters attacking them or taken out by them. The Y-Wings we saw were not involved in the dogfighting. Three made the first trench run and were flying purely defensively. One was randomly there as Luke, Wedge, and the Falcon booked it away from the station, and may or may not have been part of Red, as one of the otherwise-unseen files.

So, the best we can take from eight for-sure X-Wings versus eight for-sure standard TIEs is: Two observed Rebel kills and two observed Imperial kills and a partial. All others were either other ships, which invalidates the data, or happened offscreen, so we can't know which ships were involved with which. In terms of final raw numbers, zero of eight standard TIEs survived the battle (unless those last four cut and run, which seems unlikely), and two of eight confirmed X-Wings survived, but with damage. From a numbers standpoint, that's more like parity than superiority, even given how external factors skew the numbers (four of eight X-Wings taken out be sources outside the measured factor, two of eight TIEs taken out similarly, and it becomes six TIEs to four X-Wings). But there is still an error margin, due to other factors. We do not know for sure what type of craft Reds 7, 9, and 11 were, or what took them out -- if, indeed, all were.
In the first film the fighters seem to be very evenly matched. The idea that the X-wing is more superior just kinda gets added on. As the X-wings are shown to be capable of hyperspace travel, and that the Rebels fighter pilots do not have the numbers ont their side. The RPG books kinda took it from there, extrapolating that they must have shields, in order to survive the hordes of TIEs. And visually the X-wings look powerful, with four large engines and four massive laser cannons.
 
And for you modelers out there and/or lovers of obscure Star Wars vehicles, here's a brief look at an obscure vehicle that we see (mostly) in the background during the Battle of Hot in Empire.

 
Yeah, 'Star Crash' takes no prisoners.



As for X-wings being Empire tech used against the Empire . . . well, yeah. That's to be expected.

In our world, old Toyota pickups are coalition vehicles that get used against coalition forces in the middle east. The Taliban spent the 1980s shooting at Soviet forces with Soviet weapons like AK-47s. Etc. The power structure always gets the hardware manufactured. The rebels always make do with the same stuff.

IMO it would be a plot problem if the Star Wars rebels were making their own vehicles.
 
As for X-wings being Empire tech used against the Empire . . . well, yeah. That's to be expected.

In our world, old Toyota pickups are coalition vehicles that get used against coalition forces in the middle east. The Taliban spent the 1980s shooting at Soviet forces with Soviet weapons like AK-47s. Etc. The power structure always gets the hardware manufactured. The rebels always make do with the same stuff.

IMO it would be a plot problem if the Star Wars rebels were making their own vehicles.
Its an unwanted accolade. Toyotas are so durable and reliable, even the Taliban use them. Nothing they can advertise but also a testament to their quality.

Doesnt TLJ have a character holding the blueprints of the X-wing to imply that both the Empire and Rebels bought their stuff from weapons manufacturers who thus made bank by selling to both sides? Historically, this did happen but it was rare because its a dangerous game. War profiteering is a crime and in this case, if the merchants didnt war profiteer the Rebels wouldnt have won and the Empire would still be in power. Guess Rose is pro-Empire.
 
Yeah, 'Star Crash' takes no prisoners.



As for X-wings being Empire tech used against the Empire . . . well, yeah. That's to be expected.

In our world, old Toyota pickups are coalition vehicles that get used against coalition forces in the middle east. The Taliban spent the 1980s shooting at Soviet forces with Soviet weapons like AK-47s. Etc. The power structure always gets the hardware manufactured. The rebels always make do with the same stuff.

IMO it would be a plot problem if the Star Wars rebels were making their own vehicles.
Though the Rebellion builds some of its own ships, both in the new EU and the new continuity. And it's one of the the reasons, in the EU they fight with a lot fighter and bomber craft. It's easier to build smaller ships in clandestine shipyards, than it is larger ships.

And it kinda has to be that way, otherwise the Rebellion would run out of those classic ships. After Incom is nationalized, it stops producing X-wings. So there's only so many in the galaxy. And obviously by Endor the Alliance as replenished their numbers of T-65s. So they're coming from somewhere.

Now realistically, George should have had X-wings appear in Revenge of the Sith, and have them been a late addition to the Republic. That could explain why there could be significant amounts of them throughout the galaxy. Without the need of the Alliance producing them.

The A-wing in the new continuity, it isn't clear if they some are produced Alliance or not. In the EU the Alliance did produce the RZ-1. However they first began making A-wings by modifying Tammuz-an R-22 Spearheads, into prototype A-wings. Just before Yavin. Afterwards those ships become the template for the RZ-1. I think the new continuity is going with something similar for the lore.

And the B-wings are definitely made by the Alliance. That's never changed.
 

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