Yeah i know. I built most of what was at celebration. But all that stuff was from mando s2 and down. I literally just built that set ashoka is on. It was to my understanding that we aren't showing anything that hasn't aired.
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Joek3rr
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Oh, sure. I wish I could give you the context, but I just saw it on Reddit. Maybe it from the whole Lucasfilm production teaser thing, where they talked about Willow and Indiana as well? Because it was from day 1 I think. And they didn't have Mandalorian or Ahsoka panels on those days.
I don't know. I'm just really surprised to see that image out there. It contradicts our extreme security protocol.
ghostryder
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ghostryder
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That actually makes sense. I wonder if Filoni got that from Lucas or came up with that as his own interpretation?
When I heard Filoni explain that it actually changed my opinion of TPM in a positive direction. Cheesy dialogue, and people’s opinions of Jar Jar aside, the older I get the more intrusive and politics in these movies I appreciate. There is a ton of depth that I think people are missing out on because they’ve been told the PT is bad.
Bigdaddy
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So all of Anakin's problems are the fault of the Jedi? I thought Palpatine (or his clone?) impregnated Anakin's mom with the force, therefore creating Anakin for the specific purpose of becoming his apprentice and a dark lord of the sith.
Isn't that the whole point of the emperor living forever and pulling strings elsewhere in the galaxy for decades or even perhaps centuries? The Jedi were just pawns fulfilling Anakin's destiny and getting him ready for Palpatine. It's like those terribly written heist movies where every double cross was part of the master plan all along.
This take that Filoni has seems like more fan fiction/ retconning. (It still makes more sense than the DSW explanation)
Isn't that the whole point of the emperor living forever and pulling strings elsewhere in the galaxy for decades or even perhaps centuries? The Jedi were just pawns fulfilling Anakin's destiny and getting him ready for Palpatine. It's like those terribly written heist movies where every double cross was part of the master plan all along.
This take that Filoni has seems like more fan fiction/ retconning. (It still makes more sense than the DSW explanation)
That explanation sounds good on the surface but makes no sense if you were to watch the films in chronological order. The only way it might work is if you already know that Anakin will become Vader. Besides, whose to say that Qui-Gon would have prevented Anakin's downfall? The Jedi were written as morons in the PT, unable to see what was happening right in front of their eyes.
Palpatine had to tell Anakin he was evil in ROTS. No one figured that out beforehand. Besides, if Qui-Gon was so instrumental in preventing it, doesn't that completely negate Anakin's agency? These types of explanations only rob the characters of their choices, which are the very things that define them.
The PT has some interesting concepts, great casting, and beautiful art direction but those scripts are a total mess. Let's not kid ourselves.
Palpatine had to tell Anakin he was evil in ROTS. No one figured that out beforehand. Besides, if Qui-Gon was so instrumental in preventing it, doesn't that completely negate Anakin's agency? These types of explanations only rob the characters of their choices, which are the very things that define them.
The PT has some interesting concepts, great casting, and beautiful art direction but those scripts are a total mess. Let's not kid ourselves.
That image was from the opening panel on Thursday morning. Rosario Dawson couldn’t be there to promote Ahsoka because she was on set filming. She recorded a short video saying she was sorry she couldn’t be at the con. Those images are from that video clip.
Then she shows up for the Mando panel on Saturday because they don’t film on the weekends.
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I've heard Filoni talk about this before and frankly I hate it as a concept. I don't know if Filoni actually heard this from George or he's pulling it out of his rear. This basically means Anakin's fate was out of his hands and makes him a victim of those around him rather than an accountable human being. Certainly we're influenced by the people and environment around us but it's not the sole arbiter of our fate. If that were the case, no one could ever escape their upbringing. And what exactly was so awful about Anakin's upbringing? That he left his mom? Well, I imagine every padawan leaves their parents to go train. Was it because he was a slave? He seemed pretty happy despite it. Did the Jedi do a bad job with him? Well, they did pretty good with every other padawan.
Anakin as we knew him in the OT was simply a good man who was seduced by power. That's it. There's no grand explanation needed. If we reduce it to chance, then we've robbed Anakin of his agency as Psab keel said and we've also cheapened the meaning of corruption. The story of a man falling to temptation is far more interesting, relatable, and truthful than a man simply being a victim of debatable circumstance. It also doesn't do Obi-Wan any favors.
When I heard Obi-Wan say in ROTJ, "I thought I could train him as well as Yoday. I was wrong." I never imagined THAT was the actual reason for Anakin's downfall. It always seemed to me that Obi-Wan was simply expressing lament. You ever hear a coach blame himself for a loss when really the players didn't play well? I believe Obi-Wan is doing something similar here. He's wishing he could've done more when in actuality, there's nothing more he could've done. Perhaps my biggest disappointment with the prequels is that Obi-Wan's mentoring of Anakin was born out of obligation rather than friendship. I never got the feeling they were "good friends" or that he even liked Anakin at all. What a shame. Obi-Wan's character should have been what Qui-Gon was to Anakin.
Ultimately, we determine our fate and no one else.
Anakin as we knew him in the OT was simply a good man who was seduced by power. That's it. There's no grand explanation needed. If we reduce it to chance, then we've robbed Anakin of his agency as Psab keel said and we've also cheapened the meaning of corruption. The story of a man falling to temptation is far more interesting, relatable, and truthful than a man simply being a victim of debatable circumstance. It also doesn't do Obi-Wan any favors.
When I heard Obi-Wan say in ROTJ, "I thought I could train him as well as Yoday. I was wrong." I never imagined THAT was the actual reason for Anakin's downfall. It always seemed to me that Obi-Wan was simply expressing lament. You ever hear a coach blame himself for a loss when really the players didn't play well? I believe Obi-Wan is doing something similar here. He's wishing he could've done more when in actuality, there's nothing more he could've done. Perhaps my biggest disappointment with the prequels is that Obi-Wan's mentoring of Anakin was born out of obligation rather than friendship. I never got the feeling they were "good friends" or that he even liked Anakin at all. What a shame. Obi-Wan's character should have been what Qui-Gon was to Anakin.
Ultimately, we determine our fate and no one else.
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Paul Andrew
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I mean, ideally yes we make our own choices, but our predispositions and beliefs and personalities are very shaped by who we interact with as we grow up, and even after to some degree.
Sure, Anakin is ultimately responsible for his own choices, but so much of who he ended up becoming was shaped by those who had designs for him beyond his control that without Qui-Gon, a mentor who was more in touch with a part of the Force that other Jedi had eschewed, it makes total sense that Anakin would be more susceptible to the dark side.
Sure, Anakin is ultimately responsible for his own choices, but so much of who he ended up becoming was shaped by those who had designs for him beyond his control that without Qui-Gon, a mentor who was more in touch with a part of the Force that other Jedi had eschewed, it makes total sense that Anakin would be more susceptible to the dark side.
As an audience we're also looking at this whole thing inverted too. We know the outcome because 4, 5, and 6 came out first and more than a decade later 1, 2, and 3. People are going to read more into PT material more than they normally would had they seen the films in chronological order. It's also one of the failings of those scripts because it hinged the entire galaxy on Anakin being the Chosen One, which really did the story a disservice. It's that meta awareness that sort of undid a huge chunk of that story.
Perhaps Qui-Gon's death contributed to Anakin's downfall, but it wasn't the lynch pin like Filoni seems to suggest. There's also no denying that we are greatly influenced by those around us and our upbringing plays a part in shaping us. Though just like in life, if you let your circumstances inform all your decisions, you live your life as a victim rather than taking ownership of your own choices. Anakin may have been a victim, but because of the writing of those scripts, he, like so many others were victims of their own stupidity rather than victims who had no other choice.
Perhaps Qui-Gon's death contributed to Anakin's downfall, but it wasn't the lynch pin like Filoni seems to suggest. There's also no denying that we are greatly influenced by those around us and our upbringing plays a part in shaping us. Though just like in life, if you let your circumstances inform all your decisions, you live your life as a victim rather than taking ownership of your own choices. Anakin may have been a victim, but because of the writing of those scripts, he, like so many others were victims of their own stupidity rather than victims who had no other choice.
Yeah, when you have a "Chosen one", it's harder to argue against predetermined outcomes though even then it can still be the character's choices that ultimately lead them down the path.
All good points, but you have to wonder at what point Anakin started getting the idea that he was being held back and wanting power. I think he was hearing other Jedi telling him about how he was the Chosen One and he started craving power based on that. Plus he probably had Chancellor Palpatine (like in the old EU) whispering to him that the Jedi were withholding things from him. And they were because they weren't totally stupid, so they wouldn't teach someone things they weren't ready for. So yeah if Qui-Gon could have gotten him away from that, or shielded him from that, maybe he could have steered him on the right path. That's not the story though.
Joek3rr
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No, not all of his problems. But they certainly weren't helping.
The idea that Palpatine and/or his master created Anakin was dumped. Originally that's where the whole influencing midi-chlorians to create life was headed. But George changed his mind while editing.
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