Darth Lars
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Why would someone even suggest that such an horrible thing could be true?
What is wrong with people? Why can't people be nice to one-another!?
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What is wrong with people? Why can't people be nice to one-another!?
The latest rumor making the rounds out here in L.A.:
Is Damon Lindelof Lucasfilm's Next Jedi?
Where there's smoke there's fire as reps won't respond to rumors he's taking on Star Warstheankler.com
Loved all 3 of those shows, so I wouldn't be mad about this. Though, I'd prefer they gave him a series to run rather than just one film.
JoeG, how? Lost started out strong and then went limp. Watchmen has undermined a nice, solid, self-contained story about humanity persisting against those who were ostensibly there to protect it, but were corrupted by power. The Replacements is... okay, I guess. It never gripped me. But above all, for me, this is the rat-******* who pulled the plug on Tron 3 -- and then, years later, decided a reboot with Jared Leto was the way to go. No. I don't trust him to open a can of sardines that's already open.
Basically, I just don't feel the way you did about those shows. LOST started out great, hit a slump in mid S2 through early S3, then came back strong once they were able to plot out the end. I absolutely loved the ending. It hit all the right beats for me and the characters I cared about. The Leftovers (not Replacements 
) was brilliant. The depth of the characters, the emotionally engaging plot, and then finally focusing on a small personal story in the midst of it all again struck a chord with me that still remains. Really loved that show. Watchmen I also deeply enjoyed and engaged with on a level I can't even really get into here without breaking forum rules.
So, that's how. Sorry if none of those shows did it for you. To each their own and all that. Man, typing all that on a phone really sucked!
) was brilliant. The depth of the characters, the emotionally engaging plot, and then finally focusing on a small personal story in the midst of it all again struck a chord with me that still remains. Really loved that show. Watchmen I also deeply enjoyed and engaged with on a level I can't even really get into here without breaking forum rules.So, that's how. Sorry if none of those shows did it for you. To each their own and all that. Man, typing all that on a phone really sucked!
Wolfsburg
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This could not be more succinctly or better said…OH DEAR GOD NO!!!
ghostryder
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Apologies. I just watched The Replacements this past weekend. I was in a Gene Hackman mood. The Leftovers feels like... if they tried to do the Left Behind series and not specifically say it was the Rapture. I think my main problem with all of these is that I'm tired of melodrama -- I'd prefer a bit more small-d drama. Same reason I don't like nu-BSG or JJ-Trek or Disco or anything else where the main characters are somewhere in the range of flawed to broken to flat-out ********. It feels like production companies took the wrong lesson from the popularity of reality TV and gave us a bunch of characters we can relate to or feel better than... rather than aspire to.Basically, I just don't feel the way you did about those shows. LOST started out great, hit a slump in mid S2 through early S3, then came back strong once they were able to plot out the end. I absolutely loved the ending. It hit all the right beats for me and the characters I cared about. The Leftovers (not Replacements
So, that's how. Sorry if none of those shows did it for you. To each their own and all that. Man, typing all that on a phone really sucked!
Star Wars wasn't as aspirational as Star Trek, but everyone I grew up with wanted to be Luke or Han or Wedge or Lando, rather than sympathize with their broken-ness or lord over their flaws. We're most of an hour into Star Wars when we meet Luke. We only have to put up with about fifteen minutes of him whining about his life before it gets upended and we see him rise to the occasion. One of the strongest points of The Mandalorian was Din finding it in himself to act on his instinct of rightness against all he'd been taught. Every time he takes his helmet off is an act of radical acceptance and my heart breaks for him each time. That's a level of character I don't think Damon is capable of understanding, from what I've seen of his track record and commentary. It's what I felt was lacking in the Prequels, Sequels, Solo, Rogue One, and too much of Rebels. It's why I've felt nothing since Empire has measured up to Star Wars' early potential, and he is definitely not the one I'd look to to "re-elevate" it.
ghostryder
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Its funny how Empire gets All the love.. from me too.
I dont know if its because it upped the anti introduced pretty dark scary images to us kids or was it watching it on holiday on a small Island that had a balcony in the theatre..
Maybe it was because it had an intermission halfway through!
Just as the gang are hiding in the Asteroid field an Intermission sign came up on the screen but hey we got Ice cream so all good..
Maybe it was the B movie that came before it Dark Knight was it called ?.. a lonely Knight being chased by a Medieval Vader type character and scary as Hell to a 12 year old!
It even chopped off limbs!
Anyway I digress..
Move along..Move along.
ghostryder
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HeartBlade
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Inquisitor does touch upon an interesting point that seems to affect modern cinema in general in that there is a big decrease in the number of "aspirational" characters. I remember Critical Drinker also talked about this, comparing why he originally liked Star Trek but detests the modern ones by Abrams.
OG Trek had mature characters making moral dilemmas and tried to talk things out. They didn't just quip and go in guns blazing or immediately rage. As a result, people did want to be commanders/jedi because they were the mature adults whose actions made a positive impact. They were aspirational heroes.
I don't think its solely due to the rise in reality tv but also this desire to "knock" aspirational characters off their thrones and subvert them. Show that these heroes arn't perfect and infallible It could be tied with this recent desire to subvert expectations.
OG Trek had mature characters making moral dilemmas and tried to talk things out. They didn't just quip and go in guns blazing or immediately rage. As a result, people did want to be commanders/jedi because they were the mature adults whose actions made a positive impact. They were aspirational heroes.
I don't think its solely due to the rise in reality tv but also this desire to "knock" aspirational characters off their thrones and subvert them. Show that these heroes arn't perfect and infallible It could be tied with this recent desire to subvert expectations.
Moral ambiguity works for certain characters, not all of them. A character can be flawed without being morally compromised but the lack of subtlety in a lot of modern stories, or mostly "reimagined" existing characters is to take them and imbue them with qualities they never had, or to magnify their worst qualities and redefine these as virtues. This tendency seems to be the reflex of the modern era of films where the prevailing culture tries to comfort itself by creating works of fiction that celebrate subversion and lack conviction to any sense of moral duty or allegience to anything other than self. It may sound a bit extreme but how often do characters in recent years act in ways that are self serving rather than hold to a cause or belief that rejects such things?
Generally speaking, art is a reflection of the attitudes and beliefs of the time in which they are made. We live in a world where young people are taught that "their truth" is more important than truth itself. Where their desires are always acceptable and no one should question it. Where institutions are all corrupt and should be dismantled. They are taught that their enemy is out in the ether rather than consider the possibility that perhaps their enemy is the consequences of the poor choices they make. Taking personal responsibility for your actions is more important than posting your feelings on social media and considering it activism.
So what's the end result of the art that these attitudes create? You get heroes whose trials are not actually trials but mirrors with which to reflect the perceived strengths of their own awesomeness. Their antagonists are easily defeated because the protagonist already has the tools and knowledge to overcome them without true opposition and the saddest part is that there is no growth for these types of heroes because they've sacrificed nothing to achieve everything. Without death of some kind, whether it's literal or psychological there is no meaning behind it. The stories become as vapid as the culture and the cycle feeds the culture by marketing these things as aspirational when they are anything but. True heroism requires sacrifice of one kind or another.
Generally speaking, art is a reflection of the attitudes and beliefs of the time in which they are made. We live in a world where young people are taught that "their truth" is more important than truth itself. Where their desires are always acceptable and no one should question it. Where institutions are all corrupt and should be dismantled. They are taught that their enemy is out in the ether rather than consider the possibility that perhaps their enemy is the consequences of the poor choices they make. Taking personal responsibility for your actions is more important than posting your feelings on social media and considering it activism.
So what's the end result of the art that these attitudes create? You get heroes whose trials are not actually trials but mirrors with which to reflect the perceived strengths of their own awesomeness. Their antagonists are easily defeated because the protagonist already has the tools and knowledge to overcome them without true opposition and the saddest part is that there is no growth for these types of heroes because they've sacrificed nothing to achieve everything. Without death of some kind, whether it's literal or psychological there is no meaning behind it. The stories become as vapid as the culture and the cycle feeds the culture by marketing these things as aspirational when they are anything but. True heroism requires sacrifice of one kind or another.
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Riceball
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If you think that there's a lot of complaining about Star War going on now, this will seem like nothing if Lindeloff is put in charge of a Star Wars project. That man has been behind some of the most controversial shows and movies amongst fans ever since the end of Lost. Just look at how fans regard the JJ Treks and Prometheus and you want this man to helm a Star Wars project?Basically, I just don't feel the way you did about those shows. LOST started out great, hit a slump in mid S2 through early S3, then came back strong once they were able to plot out the end. I absolutely loved the ending. It hit all the right beats for me and the characters I cared about. The Leftovers (not Replacements
So, that's how. Sorry if none of those shows did it for you. To each their own and all that. Man, typing all that on a phone really sucked!
There will always be complainers one way or the other. Whether people will complain or not shouldn't be a factor. They're free to express their opinions, same as me. If Lindelof wants to tell a Star Wars story and LFL wants it, too then so be it.
Though I may check out someone's opinion on something that's opposite mine and even engage in conversations with those people, someone's opinion on these things is really none of my business.
The problem with the ending of Lost was...well certainly here in the UK a rather clever drama called Life on Mars ended the week before with Exactly the same ending but done much better..Basically, I just don't feel the way you did about those shows. LOST started out great, hit a slump in mid S2 through early S3, then came back strong once they were able to plot out the end. I absolutely loved the ending. It hit all the right beats for me and the characters I cared about. The Leftovers (not Replacements
So, that's how. Sorry if none of those shows did it for you. To each their own and all that. Man, typing all that on a phone really sucked!
The bitter pill we had to swallow as a viewer with Lost was believing the Island was their best memories..I just couldn't roll with that.
They pondered to their viewers and literally Lost their way.. GOTs followed the same path..deeply unsatisfying and threw away or just forgot about that wonderful sub cast of characters..
I still weep for the Hound..what a character. Felled by a staircase.
Well he certainly fits the "Disney brief" of making nonsensical underwhelming contentThe latest rumor making the rounds out here in L.A.:
Is Damon Lindelof Lucasfilm's Next Jedi?
Where there's smoke there's fire as reps won't respond to rumors he's taking on Star Wars
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