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as a writer, bad one or not, i'm pretty sure abrams would know the difference between THERE, THEIR and THEY'RE. come on....
the number of people who actually write those words and has never, ever, submitted anything with a typo transposing one for the other is, I guarantee you, zero.

Proofreading is a lost art that is near extinction in this day and age.

Not saying this is or isn't an authentic piece. Just saying that is not a reason to doubt it.
 
the number of people who actually write those words and has never, ever, submitted anything with a typo transposing one for the other is, I guarantee you, zero.

Proofreading is a lost art that is near extinction in this day and age.

Not saying this is or isn't an authentic piece. Just saying that is not a reason to doubt it.
Hell, I see published magazine and newspaper articles with typos that should never have gotten past. Why anything I write or draw always goes past another set of eyes, minimum, before I would even think to set it loose on an unsuspecting community -- and still they get through.
 
it's pretty glaring when it's used wrong in all 3 instances.it wasn't written by someone here or it would be way worse....

most likely some reddit or youtube goober with enough covid time on their hands. i must say at least they made good use of spellcheck as they spelled their mistakes right.
 
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I wasn't a sequel trilogy fan, but for what it's a worth, an interesting twitter thread on Luke's arc:


What’s the context. Cant watch Mando so not sure how Luke fits into TLJ.

I really don’t understand why some people just love TLJ so much. I can’t even rewatch the film because I see so much promise wasted. Terrible dialogue, missed and reverted character development, misused characters, badly written heroes. Nevermind the fact that essentially everything in that film is undone with RoS
 
I think it's because a lot of younger people are being taught in school that the good guys are really the bad guys so they like to see the good guy taken down a peg in media. What they did to Luke reminds me of that Babylon 5 episode "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" where people in the future tried to say the heroes really didn't do what they did and they were really actually not good people.
 
Clarify? I think it's more that people are finally being taught something more nuanced than reductionist. George Washington owned slaves. Hitler liked dogs. No one is all one thing.

In the case of the Sequel films... I don't have a problem with Our Heroes getting older, more cynical, frustrated by the reality that it's far easier to be against something than to generate something new. I have no problem with them, singly or en masse, deciding they're done heroing and it's time to retire to be Hero Emeritus and let the kids who still feel like they can take on the whole Empire themselves take a whack at it. I just feel it wasn't done... right. Which is a long and convoluted discussion that I've already had in public and in private -- including in this very thread, many pages ago.

HeartBlade, that plays into what you said, just above. I like TLJ and can forgive it its flaws because I've been doing that since Return of the Jedi. Apart from my gold standard of very-good-even-if-not-flawless in Star Wars and Empire, everything since has had a lot of good elements that I liked mingled in with a lot of other elements that were either good ideas executed poorly or bad ideas that should've just been executed. Different things to different degrees in each film, but none of them since 1980 have, by my lights, nailed as good a good:bad ratio as the first two. I can compartmentalize. Others can or cannot, depending on the individual. I can even find the good in the Holiday Special. Clunky (or should I say maclunkey?), inconsistent manifestation of Star Wars is a thing I grew up with.
 
I think it's because a lot of younger people are being taught in school that the good guys are really the bad guys so they like to see the good guy taken down a peg in media. What they did to Luke reminds me of that Babylon 5 episode "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" where people in the future tried to say the heroes really didn't do what they did and they were really actually not good people.

I too noticed this as far back as 2006/2007. I had done a short story where the lead is a vigilante-type character, but the situation he is involved in the story was one where he didn't have direct involvement in (as he got involved due to a neighbor committing suicide and he discovered the reason why, which set him off to go after the bad guy). But, my teacher said that it made no sense for the character to get involved since he didn't have any personal stake in it. I mean, I was going for something along the lines of a classic type of knight in a modern age kind of thing, where he gets involved because he saw a wrong that needed to be corrected. I guess people believe good guys who do things for the sake of it being right or good aren't as fashionable, I suppose.
 
Rick Fumiyawa's episode The Believer showed more nuance, depth and thought than all three sequels combined. He deepened the characters, raised the stakes, challenged the characters beliefs (and by extension us the audience as well). It had that magical balance that has been missing from Star Wars for so long and to finally see it, even in an episode of a Star Wars TV show was truly a breath of fresh air.

Sadly I don't think I'll ever see it again, but it was so great while it lasted. The Believer is proof that it is possible to challenge the narrative and thus surprise the audience with its unexpected direction without discarding the foundation on which Star Wars is built. Though I can't continue to watch the show in the hope of chasing that balance another 20 plus years from now because it may never happen again. I need more than just spectacle from this franchise and sadly that's all its been since 1983. Some people can live with that, but I'm not one of them. It was nice to have that feeling again, if even for a moment.
 
Clarify? I think it's more that people are finally being taught something more nuanced than reductionist. George Washington owned slaves. Hitler liked dogs. No one is all one thing.

In the case of the Sequel films... I don't have a problem with Our Heroes getting older, more cynical, frustrated by the reality that it's far easier to be against something than to generate something new. I have no problem with them, singly or en masse, deciding they're done heroing and it's time to retire to be Hero Emeritus and let the kids who still feel like they can take on the whole Empire themselves take a whack at it. I just feel it wasn't done... right. Which is a long and convoluted discussion that I've already had in public and in private -- including in this very thread, many pages ago.

HeartBlade, that plays into what you said, just above. I like TLJ and can forgive it its flaws because I've been doing that since Return of the Jedi. Apart from my gold standard of very-good-even-if-not-flawless in Star Wars and Empire, everything since has had a lot of good elements that I liked mingled in with a lot of other elements that were either good ideas executed poorly or bad ideas that should've just been executed. Different things to different degrees in each film, but none of them since 1980 have, by my lights, nailed as good a good:bad ratio as the first two. I can compartmentalize. Others can or cannot, depending on the individual. I can even find the good in the Holiday Special. Clunky (or should I say maclunkey?), inconsistent manifestation of Star Wars is a thing I grew up with.

i agree with that sentiment. Already been discussed here and on the RoS thread as well but at least on this forum, I don’t think fans are upset at the fact that Luke became cynical, depressed and withdrawn and essentially the fallen ace. What I did take issue with was how he got there was not justified.
 
i agree with that sentiment. Already been discussed here and on the RoS thread as well but at least on this forum, I don’t think fans are upset at the fact that Luke became cynical, depressed and withdrawn and essentially the fallen ace. What I did take issue with was how he got there was not justified.
Or, if actually justified, not shown. We came into TFA in media res, as we had in Star Wars. But this time, we actually had seen the previous episode... and there's thirty year jump and a lot of character arcs utterly omitted. We have, since, only gotten some of the pieces. They paint a more compelling picture than the initial scanty information, but we still need so much more to know what freaking happened before we can ultimately decide we like the narrative or not.
 
i agree with that sentiment. Already been discussed here and on the RoS thread as well but at least on this forum, I don’t think fans are upset at the fact that Luke became cynical, depressed and withdrawn and essentially the fallen ace. What I did take issue with was how he got there was not justified.
Or, if actually justified, not shown. We came into TFA in media res, as we had in Star Wars. But this time, we actually had seen the previous episode... and there's thirty year jump and a lot of character arcs utterly omitted. We have, since, only gotten some of the pieces. They paint a more compelling picture than the initial scanty information, but we still need so much more to know what freaking happened before we can ultimately decide we like the narrative or not.

Luke is the one with flashbacks, yes? This isn't enough information?
 
Luke is the one with flashbacks, yes? This isn't enough information?
We see one of Luke's flashbacks in TROS, back to when he was training Leia and she had her own vision. We see several in TLJ -- two from Luke and one from Ben/Kylo -- of different takes on The Fateful Night™ when Luke saw how far down the Dark path Ben had gone and contemplated killing him, plus, once the truth came out, the extension showing the devastation to the academy and Luke's teachers and students. We saw another angle of that last in TFA. Those are all just snippets. Less than an hour of in-universe time. The destruction of Luke's academy happens only a couple years before TFA. Luke training Leia was presumably somewhere around the time he shows up in The Mandalorian.

What I'm talking about is that, between those, the Aftermath trilogy, the Shattered Empire comic miniseries, Bloodline, the Rise of Kylo Ren, the coda of the Rebels finale, and, now, the Mandalorian, we have seen a portion of the five years after ROTJ and the five years before TFA. We still have a twenty-year information desert between with only one too-scanty oasis of Rey getting left on Jakku and her parents getting killed (about three-quarters of the way through that desert). Writing For Dummies: If you end one chapter with the hero at his apex (Luke confronting and defeating the ultimate baddie) and start the next with the hero at his nadir (Luke vanished into self-imposed exile), with no explanation at the time, but dropped in asynchronous tidbits here and there later in the work, that's... a choice. Cloud Atlas sorta does that, and it was liked by some and hated by others. It's not a choice that equals broad appeal, as it's a choice that directly contradicts a clear narrative -- which the films largely had up to that point -- the way a brick wall across a freeway contradicts your car's momentum.

I know you have your own opinions on the matter, but even if you personally like it, it is objectively bad writing to go from one numbered installment of a story to the next with such a drastic and discordant jump, and then fill in the missing information in dribs and drabs drawn out over many years, especially when there had been straightforward narrative progression before. I'm not going to ding George for starting in the middle, when he only ever intended to do his one Flash Gordon homage and then go on to doing other things. Even if I take issue with his revealing in the PT all the twists of the OT, I can't argue that, when viewed 1-6 consecutive, it's a clear narrative, even with the time jumps. At the end of ROTS, not everyone was happy with Palpatine's new Empire, and in ANH, the first line we see is "it is a period of civil war".

I know you think the jump from 6 to 7 is covered perfectly well in saying that Luke has disappeared and a new group is stepping into the boots left empty by the Empire, but it really isn't. It... just isn't. I'm not saying we needed to be pandered to -- just that a little bit more information was needed going in, and preferably seen, not told. The New Republic is entirely jumped over. Thirty years of governance gone before we ever knew them or why the First Order considered them "loathsome". Basically, we needed Bloodline before TFA. Everything else would've been fine. No Luke (he was out with Ben), Leia's son only spoken of, not seen. New Republic in (in)action. Discovery of the First Order, if not by name. Leia's rep trashed, and her quitting in disgust and forming the Resistance. Could still fill in the missing generation later, even though I'd much rather have seen more of it -- but that goes back to my whole gripe that there needed to be more episodes overall in order to tell the full story, rather than the Cliff's Notes version. But at minimum we needed to see the new normal established at the end of the previous episode turned on its head, not come in an act late, after it had already been.
 
We see one of Luke's flashbacks in TROS, back to when he was training Leia and she had her own vision. We see several in TLJ -- two from Luke and one from Ben/Kylo -- of different takes on The Fateful Night™ when Luke saw how far down the Dark path Ben had gone and contemplated killing him, plus, once the truth came out, the extension showing the devastation to the academy and Luke's teachers and students. We saw another angle of that last in TFA. Those are all just snippets. Less than an hour of in-universe time. The destruction of Luke's academy happens only a couple years before TFA. Luke training Leia was presumably somewhere around the time he shows up in The Mandalorian.

What I'm talking about is that, between those, the Aftermath trilogy, the Shattered Empire comic miniseries, Bloodline, the Rise of Kylo Ren, the coda of the Rebels finale, and, now, the Mandalorian, we have seen a portion of the five years after ROTJ and the five years before TFA. We still have a twenty-year information desert between with only one too-scanty oasis of Rey getting left on Jakku and her parents getting killed (about three-quarters of the way through that desert). Writing For Dummies: If you end one chapter with the hero at his apex (Luke confronting and defeating the ultimate baddie) and start the next with the hero at his nadir (Luke vanished into self-imposed exile), with no explanation at the time, but dropped in asynchronous tidbits here and there later in the work, that's... a choice. Cloud Atlas sorta does that, and it was liked by some and hated by others. It's not a choice that equals broad appeal, as it's a choice that directly contradicts a clear narrative -- which the films largely had up to that point -- the way a brick wall across a freeway contradicts your car's momentum.

I know you have your own opinions on the matter, but even if you personally like it, it is objectively bad writing to go from one numbered installment of a story to the next with such a drastic and discordant jump, and then fill in the missing information in dribs and drabs drawn out over many years, especially when there had been straightforward narrative progression before. I'm not going to ding George for starting in the middle, when he only ever intended to do his one Flash Gordon homage and then go on to doing other things. Even if I take issue with his revealing in the PT all the twists of the OT, I can't argue that, when viewed 1-6 consecutive, it's a clear narrative, even with the time jumps. At the end of ROTS, not everyone was happy with Palpatine's new Empire, and in ANH, the first line we see is "it is a period of civil war".

I know you think the jump from 6 to 7 is covered perfectly well in saying that Luke has disappeared and a new group is stepping into the boots left empty by the Empire, but it really isn't. It... just isn't. I'm not saying we needed to be pandered to -- just that a little bit more information was needed going in, and preferably seen, not told. The New Republic is entirely jumped over. Thirty years of governance gone before we ever knew them or why the First Order considered them "loathsome". Basically, we needed Bloodline before TFA. Everything else would've been fine. No Luke (he was out with Ben), Leia's son only spoken of, not seen. New Republic in (in)action. Discovery of the First Order, if not by name. Leia's rep trashed, and her quitting in disgust and forming the Resistance. Could still fill in the missing generation later, even though I'd much rather have seen more of it -- but that goes back to my whole gripe that there needed to be more episodes overall in order to tell the full story, rather than the Cliff's Notes version. But at minimum we needed to see the new normal established at the end of the previous episode turned on its head, not come in an act late, after it had already been.

Completely agree but to be honest, the time jumps in ST are very egregious throughout the trilogy.

RotJ to TFA: there is suddenly a newly established republic in control and a new threat with the first order comprised of completely new people. Everything you mentioned in bloodlines is missing.

TFA to TLJ: the First Order grows from minor sect challenger to the dominant power in the Star Wars universe with the new republic and resistance almost wiped out. WTF happened in the interim (or was the new republic always that weak?).

TLJ to RoS: the First Order is essentially only moments away from regaining dominance as the new Empire, hence Palpatine coming back.

To put into context, PT covered the decline of the old Republic over three movies from its imminent decline to its actual decline. OT covered some years only shows the beginning to initial collapse of the empire. ST essentially covered both time periods and all that is in between in its own trilogy.
 
Slightly unrelated but this came on my YouTube feed.


Expected it to be 142 minutes lol. But in all seriousness, they are good actors given a bad script and direction.

In just this scene, Hux’s actor is told to play campy and make the scene when he reveals himself to be the spy as funny. This isn’t supposed to be a funny moment. Leaving aside how absurd it is that Hux is the spy, Hux here is breaking cover to save the heroes. He didn’t break cover when he was tasked to fire the lasers and destroy the new republic but is doing so here, meaning that the stakes are more dire than ever. This should be a tension-filled scene and it’s played for laughs.
 
Lol we talked about it in this thread as well. If you think about it, even in OT Yoda and Obi Wan arnt exactly “good guys” either. They are trying to get Luke to kill his own dad and lie to him to get him to do so.

They arnt bad/evil but that’s a pretty evil action.
 
Lol we talked about it in this thread as well. If you think about it, even in OT Yoda and Obi Wan arnt exactly “good guys” either. They are trying to get Luke to kill his own dad and lie to him to get him to do so.

They arnt bad/evil but that’s a pretty evil action.
Yup...I saw a 'lost' deleted scene yesterday between Luke & Yoda from ROTJ. Before getting into bed to die, he told Luke that Ben would've told Luke the truth about Anakin/Vader, but Yoda wouldn't let him.
 
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