Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Joek3rr]

Oh gosh, I could write pages and pages about this video...
The nutshell version: breaking my leg won't make me appreciate my haemorrhoids more...

I agree that on a filmmaking and technical level it was much more ambitious and innovative. The caveat is that currently the technology allows filmmakers to do whatever they want. Where else to expand? The last big huzzah was Avatar with the 3D, that's why it became no 1 movie, people wanted to experience a full feature 3D movie. Not because it was a good film by any standards. Similarly it's really ironic that yes, the prequels are groundbreaking in terms of visual effects and at the same time they are the one of the most cinematically unimaginatve movies.
I can't fathom how this guy can say that plot armor in the ST takes out the tension while praising the PT...when it's a prequel so we know where it's gonna end up.
There's a lot of apology for Lucas from people who disliked the sequels but I just don't get it. I bet you anything that a large chunk of the people praising him for his "I don't care about your public opinion and I'll make a movie whatever way I want" attitude were wawing torches and pitchforks for every re-edit of the OT. Bottom line is that the prequels for me are just bad movies that look dull, have extremely dodgy plots, lack any real emotional connection and feel like a demo reel for ILM. No amount of contextualizing will make them work on that level for me.

Speaking about dodgy plots.

I had this thought the other day. Who on earth paid for the Clone Army? I mean I imagine the cloners would want their money up front. There's no way Palpatine had that amount of money. And he couldn't have taken money from the Republic, as amounts that large would have surely been noticed. The only option I could think of is loans from several banks. But again I'm sure that kind of money would have drawn attention.

 

[Psab keel]

I doubt that. Which puppet character was so iconic and innovative that it stood out like Yoda did in 1980?

 

[sztriki]

Speaking about dodgy plots.

I had this thought the other day. Who on earth paid for the Clone Army? I mean I imagine the cloners would want their money up front. There's no way Palpatine had that amount of money. And he couldn't have taken money from the Republic, as amounts that large would have surely been noticed. The only option I could think of is loans from several banks. But again I'm sure that kind of money would have drawn attention.

Yea Plinkett said he was probably printing Sith cash. I still don’t get why the clone army became the Republic army and not the enemy’s army.

I doubt that. Which puppet character was so iconic and innovative that it stood out like Yoda did in 1980?

BB8 is pretty damn good gotta give it. I really disliked it when I saw it in the first teaser but when I learned it was a working practical model I got pretty interested (I know it’s a combination of effects). But yea it’s not the 70s and 80s to break massively new ground.

 

[Psab keel]

Yeah I suppose BB-8 is iconic for this trilogy, though I do feel that innovative spirit of furthering the technology of filmmaking really stemmed from George himself and has yet to be replaced.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I still don’t get why the clone army became the Republic army and not the enemy’s army.

Because... it was commissioned for the Republic from the get-go? The Kaminoans tell Obi-Wan as much.

 

[sztriki]

Because... it was commissioned for the Republic from the get-go? The Kaminoans tell Obi-Wan as much.

I get that, yes, that part is easy to follow.
What I meant is the story would have been more compelling if the enemy had a clone army fighting the Republic army of real people and creating a war with stakes and consequences. The way it’s written is basically mass produced blokes vs mass produced robots. Even the title Attack of the Clones suggests that...it’s like Jaws being titled Attack of the Shark Hunter Trio.

 

[Psab keel]

The title is a bit of a misnomer as it implies that they are being attacked by clones.

 

[ThreadSketch]

Just had to pop in here for a brief derail - we interrupt this discussion to bring you a 1997 T-16 Skyhopper model!

Yes, it was propped up on my comforter because it doesn't have a stand yet; all it can do is wobble on its cannon and look like an albatross that just landed. The cannon can actually rock and swivel. My eyes bugged out of my head when I saw it a couple of weeks ago a new branch of a local consignment toy/gaming/comic book store at the mall and I went back yesterday telling myself that if it was still there, then it was meant to be. Yep, it was still there!

Now I too can sit around making swooshy ship noises like my favorite farmboy.

 

[Joek3rr]

Just had to pop in here for a brief derail - we interrupt this discussion to bring you a 1997 T-16 Skyhopper model!

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Yes, it was propped up on my comforter because it doesn't have a stand yet; all it can do is wobble on its cannon and look like an albatross that just landed. The cannon can actually rock and swivel. My eyes bugged out of my head when I saw it a couple of weeks ago a new branch of a local consignment toy/gaming/comic book store at the mall and I went back yesterday telling myself that if it was still there, then it was meant to be. Yep, it was still there!

Now I too can sit around making swooshy ship noises like my favorite farmboy.

Oh, that is beautiful! I love the T-16! It's my second favorite OT ship right under the X-wing.

 

[Joek3rr]

I doubt that. Which puppet character was so iconic and innovative that it stood out like Yoda did in 1980?

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Speaking about dodgy plots.

I had this thought the other day. Who on earth paid for the Clone Army? I mean I imagine the cloners would want their money up front. There's no way Palpatine had that amount of money. And he couldn't have taken money from the Republic, as amounts that large would have surely been noticed. The only option I could think of is loans from several banks. But again I'm sure that kind of money would have drawn attention.

The Sith paid for it. I know it's not canon, but Darth Bane (the EU version anyway) started various investments to get the ball rolling. So I'm assuming the canon Sith did the same thing.

If Palpatine somehow did pay, you'd have to know the full extent of the Republic finances and whether it would even be possible to hide budget items that large or skim enough off to cover it. That economy would be so insanely massive, I don't know if you could answer it.

Here's another question, why does Vader have Royal Guards in Rogue One? I thought they were only for the Emperor. However they took over some of the Senate Guard details in the Prequels so maybe they both get them?

 

[Master Boda]

Count Dooku fronted most of the money.After leaving the Jedi order he returned to his home world of Serenno and his family title of Count,he was one of the wealthiest men in the galaxy.The IG banking clan financed both sides of the war.

 

[Psab keel]

Yet no pathetic war profiteering commentary from George on that one.

 

[Master Boda]

Yet no pathetic war profiteering commentary from George on that one.

One had to read between the lines on that one.

 

[Psab keel]

Yeah. Though I think George was smart enough to realize he would technically be a "war profiteer." Oh the irony. Lol

 

[Master Boda]

Well Dooku does mean poison so interpret that how you will

 

[sztriki]

Here's another question, why does Vader have Royal Guards in Rogue One? I thought they were only for the Emperor. However they took over some of the Senate Guard details in the Prequels so maybe they both get them?

Because it’s another imagery from the OT that can be shoved in so that ppl recognize it and clap.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Here's another question, why does Vader have Royal Guards in Rogue One? I thought they were only for the Emperor. However they took over some of the Senate Guard details in the Prequels so maybe they both get them?

There was fluff in the EU that the Emperor would occasionally detach a couple to high-level VIPs. But my personal take is that they're not there guarding Vader or his castle, but keeping an eye on him for the Emperor. They showed no hesitation in ROTJ to be ready to take him down when he started Force-choking Jerjerrod. So I'd say even if they're assigned to an Imperial Dignitary, it serves more as a reminder to that person that Palpatine's keeping tabs on them. Watchdogs more than bodyguards.

As for Senate Guard duties... The Red Guards appeared out of nowhere when Palpatine became Chancellor. People speculated what was up with that, but he discouraged inquiry. With the formation of the Empire, the Senate Guards became Imperial Senate Guards and remained so until the Senate was disbanded. The EU is a little contradictory on what they looked like. I prefer the version in the PS2/Wii port of The Force Unleashed:

...over the version in the PS3/360/PC version, which was just a blue version of the Royal/Shadow Guards. I feel like the Senate Guards should retain a separate look from the Royal Guards.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

They showed no hesitation in ROTJ to be ready to take him down when he started Force-choking Jerjerrod.

Wait. What? Are you talking about the deleted scene?

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Wait. What? Are you talking about the deleted scene?

Yeah. Vader was ignoring Jerjerrod telling him he had to wait, Jerjerrod shoved between him and the elevator, Vader objected, and the guards immediately leveled their pikes at Vader, which apparently surprised him, as he held off long enough to let Jerjerrod gasp out that it was at the Emperor's command.

Point is, their loyalty is to the Emperor. Anyone they're seconded to will know that. Forget it and think they're answerable to you at your peril.