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Holy hilarity…

'Star Wars' gets 3 new movies, Daisy Ridley's Rey to return as Jedi master

Jedi Master Palpatine is coming back.

“Filmmaker Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy (Ms. Marvel) will direct Ridley, whose character will come back to the big screen now as a Jedi master in a film set 15 years after the events of Rise of Skywalker. It'll be "set in a Jedi academy with a power Jedi master," Obaid-Chinoy said on stage, referring to Rey, whose mission will be to rebuild the Jedi Order.”

Let’s see if all of this eventually ends up in the Canceled Star Wars bin…

Disney/Lucasfilm is either completely unaware of how those movies were received, they don't care because lemmings will make them money, or they just hate the older fans.

Anyone ever have a friend or family member that royally screws up, but they won't admit their mistake and instead doubles down on it? Sounds like Disney. You can't make this stuff up. Sad.

BTW, the answer to who rebuilt the Jedi is Luke Skywalker.
 
I think this is ideal tbh, better them doing this than directors taking into their own direction with no preestablished plan agreed up by Lucasfilm story group. It's like Marvel, pull from the old comics stories that work and see how you can incorporate it into the bigger picture.
The difference is, the comic universes at this point have had multiple reboots and numerous different continuities. What is one more? It's not like what happens in the Marvel films is "canon."
 
They probably wouldn't give those books the time of day anyway. Even the few good ones. And lets get real, there were very few of those. Even the other Zahn novels were not as good as the first 3. Its better to have some of these characters and other story elements in the canon where different storytellers can use them than to just leave them in now irrelevant stories. We were never going to get them otherwise and I'm happy we are now.
Oh, I don't know. You wouldn't think a kid would get interested in old films and classical music. But I do and always have enjoyed a classic film. Kids will often catch onto what their parents share with them.

Meh, I would rather see new stories and characters. What good is your continuity reboot, if you are just going to remix the old? It's all just nostalgia-baiting. Bringing back fan-favorite characters after you de-canonize their continuity. And just to add insult to injury they name their new continuity "canon", and the previous continuity "legends." Like this new one is somehow more legitimate. They even are using the names of projects to nostalgia-bait. They had the gall to use "Tales of the Jedi" a few months after Tom Veitch passed away. And now we have the "New Jedi Order".... oh brother.....:rolleyes:

Maybe I'm just getting cynical. But ever since getting back into the EU, I suddenly realized how little of the "new" content is actually new, particularly the stuff coming from Jon and Dave.
 
So here's a fun little observation, to distract us from madness going on at Celebration.

So in Attack of the Clones, I'm sure we all remember the chase through the astroids. With Jango firing away with laser cannons just under the cockpit.
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These hidden laser cannons didn't originate with Attack of the Clones though.
The 1998 book Incredible Cross-sections shows hidden ion cannons there.
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But it didn't originate in that book either. 1994’s The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels shows this as well.
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So is this origin? I can't seem to find a toy that had some sort of play feature. (Like the rotating cockpit on the Kenner toy.)
 
So here's a fun little observation, to distract us from madness going on at Celebration.
So in Attack of the Clones, I'm sure we all remember the chase through the astroids. With Jango firing away with laser cannons just under the cockpit. View attachment 1688460
These hidden laser cannons didn't originate with Attack of the Clones though.
The 1998 book Incredible Cross-sections shows hidden ion cannons there. View attachment 1688461
But it didn't originate in that book either. 1994’s The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels shows this as well.
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So is this origin? I can't seem to find a toy that had some sort of play feature. (Like the rotating cockpit on the Kenner toy.)

Whats funny about this is Jangos version of Slave I’s hull is symmetrical in details, just like that bottom photo, while ESB Bobas obviously not being the case with its asymmetrical greeblie alignment.
While its been nice to see Slave I again, I thought it an extreme shame that Filoni & Favreau simply seemingly copied the Jango cockpit.
One of the things I love with the lore of that ship was that it essentially had more new modifications to keep it up to date than it did original components, and that the hull itself was one of the few mostly original features, with its battered and worn look. Hell even FineMolds put out both 1/72 kits that reflected a Lot of the subtle differences between the EII CGI Slave I kit (which came first if I remember right) and the ESB Boba Slave I kit, including an entirely different cockpit

Its a shame that Filoni and Favreau don’t seem to have all that much imagination between that and handing Mando most of Bobas EU adventures/accomplishments
 
BobaFettSlave_1, That's one of the reasons I like to maintain the Boba was saw in ROTJ -- and thus, The Mandalorian and BoBF -- was an imposter, with an imposter ship. Jabba could afford it. That's also my justification as to why the current ship is "Boba Fett's Starship". The actual Slave I is out there being flown by the actual Boba Fett in the ESB armor, sitting in the ESB cockpit. I appreciate that they at least didn't make the cockpit rotate, though the rotating interior makes as little sense. We've seen how highly-directional the GFFA's gravity fields are, and how smooth the transitions are between them. So the passengers would have been just fine sitting with their feet toward the engines and their heads in the direction of flight, while Boba was up there in the cockpit, sitting in a gravitational plane 90° off from that. They would all feel "down" pulling toward their respective "floor".

I know that by the mid-'90s, Lucas Licensing was working more actively to maintain continuity between ancillary material, and those with the films. Unfortunately, some of the earlier, pre-"EU" offerings had borked that latter requirement, and it was years of careful wording and massaging and certain-point-of-view to nudge things back toward filmic-agreement. Much of which started getting blown to hell when the Prequels started. George had said which eras he didn't want people to touch, and made characters like Obi-Wan and Anakin off-limits to others, but he never put the kibosh on Han or Boba, so we had a lot of their early life and family sorted by the time AOTC (and, later, Solo) came along.

Having spent a while trying to get MPC's Slave I kit cleaned up and more movie accurate, I was well aware of the asymmetry of the hull plating, so the Essential Guide's schematic looked weird to me. I brushed it off as artistic simplicity, representing the actual ship that we knew was asymmetrical... Until that basically became the hull plating pattern for Jango's ship in AOTC. I think that was when I first realized the people making content at Lucasfilm were fans who were driven enough to seek work there -- but the kind of fans who blindly absorbed anything they read in the EU without critical examination. Like the costume designer who created Krennic's look in Rogue One being inspired by "the Grand Admiral in the Death Star conference room scene in the original film", when 1) Grand Admirals wouldn't exist until Heir to the Empire was published in 1991, and 2) that character wasn't even dressed like that anyway.

I could totally see Boba working all sorts of traps and tricks into his ship over the years since the Clone Wars, but everything about Jango and his ship at the time AOTC came out felt... off. Like George was deliberately giving a middle finger to Boba fans. All of the backstory, the Mandalorian Protectors and supercommandos, even the way Mandalore itself looked... I appreciate the hell out of Dave for bringing in even what he has so far from the old EU, and I can acknowledge how ham-handed he's had to be with some of it to work around George's ******** edicts. But in '02, we went from anticipatory excitement to maybe see what the ESB-era materials had described as "a race of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi in the Clone Wars" to "Jango is the last Mandalorian". Slave I went from "just another Firespray-class system-patrol craft commissioned by the Mandalorian government and jointly built by them and one of the GFFA's shipyards, and after the Clone Wars there are very few left" to "Jango stole the prototype of a new ship some company was building and used it to destroy the facility so no more could be built".

The clone thing I'm still not sure how I feel about. My kneejerk reaction is still that it diminishes Boba. In my Absurdly Ambitious Big Star Wars Rewrite, I have Jango, Arla, and Boba as the three Fett kids, orphaned by Death Watch during the last Mandalorian Civil War before Jango and Jaster's group were able to take them out. When another member of House Vizsla restarted Death Watch, Boba -- who had been to young to realize what had happened to their parents -- joined them. When he ended up being inadvertently responsible for Jango's death during the First Clone War, he left them and became a Protector, himself. But that also ended badly, so he decided he needed to never be around anyone.

But, to Joek3rr's original pondering, the earliest anything I remember going into what Boba's ship had on it or in it was West End Games' Galaxy Guide 3: The Empire Strikes Back (later collected, along with GG's 1 and 5 into the Movie Trilogy Sourcebook), published in 1989. It has a face-on B&W photo of the filming miniature, so the asymmetrical hull plating was apparent to any kid photocopying it and using a Micron art pen to delineate all the panels. It vaguely mentions customized additions to the original loadout hidden behind hull panels. The stats include teo two main blaster cannons on the nose, a front-pointing concussion missile launcher, a front-pointing ion cannon, and a "turret" mounted proton torpedo launcher, without clarifying where any of those other weapons actually are.

WEG's second edition of the Star Wars RPG rolled out in '93 -- updated versions of most of their rulebooks up to that point, slicker art design, better art... From the publishing date, I imagine that's when the Essential Guides also got started, and they took their cue from what WEG had put out -- as did so many others, and for the same reason: It was the only source of material or information that wasn't in the films themselves, the Marvel comics (that had recently ended their run), or the half-dozen novels and novellas that existed prior to Heir to the Empire kicking off the Star Wars Renaissance. Dark Horse had only been going on their run for a little while, and their offerings, to that point, were Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi (all outside the scope of the OT) and reprints of the old Archie Goodwin newspaper strips (fun, but about as canon as the Gold Key Star Trek comics -- save for his adaptation of Han Solo At Stars' End).

So, like a lot of things WEG published, they made it up to pad out game content and it got picked up as gospel by everyone that came after. Like five-mile-long super star destroyers and crystal-powered lightsabers.
 
Their choice of Directors is..well..underwhelming. She has no real director experience with movies of this type. I'm not feeling too confident with this movie, even if it ever makes it to actual production.
 
BobaFettSlave_1, That's one of the reasons I like to maintain the Boba was saw in ROTJ -- and thus, The Mandalorian and BoBF -- was an imposter, with an imposter ship. Jabba could afford it. That's also my justification as to why the current ship is "Boba Fett's Starship". The actual Slave I is out there being flown by the actual Boba Fett in the ESB armor, sitting in the ESB cockpit. I appreciate that they at least didn't make the cockpit rotate, though the rotating interior makes as little sense. We've seen how highly-directional the GFFA's gravity fields are, and how smooth the transitions are between them. So the passengers would have been just fine sitting with their feet toward the engines and their heads in the direction of flight, while Boba was up there in the cockpit, sitting in a gravitational plane 90° off from that. They would all feel "down" pulling toward their respective "floor".

I know that by the mid-'90s, Lucas Licensing was working more actively to maintain continuity between ancillary material, and those with the films. Unfortunately, some of the earlier, pre-"EU" offerings had borked that latter requirement, and it was years of careful wording and massaging and certain-point-of-view to nudge things back toward filmic-agreement. Much of which started getting blown to hell when the Prequels started. George had said which eras he didn't want people to touch, and made characters like Obi-Wan and Anakin off-limits to others, but he never put the kibosh on Han or Boba, so we had a lot of their early life and family sorted by the time AOTC (and, later, Solo) came along.

Having spent a while trying to get MPC's Slave I kit cleaned up and more movie accurate, I was well aware of the asymmetry of the hull plating, so the Essential Guide's schematic looked weird to me. I brushed it off as artistic simplicity, representing the actual ship that we knew was asymmetrical... Until that basically became the hull plating pattern for Jango's ship in AOTC. I think that was when I first realized the people making content at Lucasfilm were fans who were driven enough to seek work there -- but the kind of fans who blindly absorbed anything they read in the EU without critical examination. Like the costume designer who created Krennic's look in Rogue One being inspired by "the Grand Admiral in the Death Star conference room scene in the original film", when 1) Grand Admirals wouldn't exist until Heir to the Empire was published in 1991, and 2) that character wasn't even dressed like that anyway.

I could totally see Boba working all sorts of traps and tricks into his ship over the years since the Clone Wars, but everything about Jango and his ship at the time AOTC came out felt... off. Like George was deliberately giving a middle finger to Boba fans. All of the backstory, the Mandalorian Protectors and supercommandos, even the way Mandalore itself looked... I appreciate the hell out of Dave for bringing in even what he has so far from the old EU, and I can acknowledge how ham-handed he's had to be with some of it to work around George's ******** edicts. But in '02, we went from anticipatory excitement to maybe see what the ESB-era materials had described as "a race of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi in the Clone Wars" to "Jango is the last Mandalorian". Slave I went from "just another Firespray-class system-patrol craft commissioned by the Mandalorian government and jointly built by them and one of the GFFA's shipyards, and after the Clone Wars there are very few left" to "Jango stole the prototype of a new ship some company was building and used it to destroy the facility so no more could be built".

The clone thing I'm still not sure how I feel about. My kneejerk reaction is still that it diminishes Boba. In my Absurdly Ambitious Big Star Wars Rewrite, I have Jango, Arla, and Boba as the three Fett kids, orphaned by Death Watch during the last Mandalorian Civil War before Jango and Jaster's group were able to take them out. When another member of House Vizsla restarted Death Watch, Boba -- who had been to young to realize what had happened to their parents -- joined them. When he ended up being inadvertently responsible for Jango's death during the First Clone War, he left them and became a Protector, himself. But that also ended badly, so he decided he needed to never be around anyone.

But, to Joek3rr's original pondering, the earliest anything I remember going into what Boba's ship had on it or in it was West End Games' Galaxy Guide 3: The Empire Strikes Back (later collected, along with GG's 1 and 5 into the Movie Trilogy Sourcebook), published in 1989. It has a face-on B&W photo of the filming miniature, so the asymmetrical hull plating was apparent to any kid photocopying it and using a Micron art pen to delineate all the panels. It vaguely mentions customized additions to the original loadout hidden behind hull panels. The stats include teo two main blaster cannons on the nose, a front-pointing concussion missile launcher, a front-pointing ion cannon, and a "turret" mounted proton torpedo launcher, without clarifying where any of those other weapons actually are.

WEG's second edition of the Star Wars RPG rolled out in '93 -- updated versions of most of their rulebooks up to that point, slicker art design, better art... From the publishing date, I imagine that's when the Essential Guides also got started, and they took their cue from what WEG had put out -- as did so many others, and for the same reason: It was the only source of material or information that wasn't in the films themselves, the Marvel comics (that had recently ended their run), or the half-dozen novels and novellas that existed prior to Heir to the Empire kicking off the Star Wars Renaissance. Dark Horse had only been going on their run for a little while, and their offerings, to that point, were Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi (all outside the scope of the OT) and reprints of the old Archie Goodwin newspaper strips (fun, but about as canon as the Gold Key Star Trek comics -- save for his adaptation of Han Solo At Stars' End).

So, like a lot of things WEG published, they made it up to pad out game content and it got picked up as gospel by everyone that came after. Like five-mile-long super star destroyers and crystal-powered lightsabers.
I've long found it interesting how Boba's real world development kind of inspired his history. Having him been a supercommando. A definite nod to what Boba was before he became Boba. But then came the Jaster Meerel background. And ironically, George's decision to make Boba Fett a clone, ends up being how the old Marvel story is retconned into fitting again. With the creation of Alpha ∅2- "Spar."
 
This has all been discussed ad nauseum but I would've been just fine if Boba Fett had just remained ambiguous in most all respects. He was a guy that wore Mandalorian supercommando armor, he might've once been a stormtrooper, he might've once been a Journeyman Protector from Concord Dawn named Jaster Mereel...or maybe not. No one really knows. No one is actually sure who he is or what he even looks like... In regards to backstory, I would've been fine if he had been the GFFA's version of the Joker, with a dozen possible origins and identities, all plausible but none confirmed.

George Lucas' handling of him in the PT era was pure cringe for me. There was absolutely no reason for him to have been in AotC, nor should Jango have had any connection to him. Jango should've just been another guy in Mandalorian armor (Mandalorian or not), not affiliated with Boba Fett. Disney's handling of Fett hasn't been any better, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Wolfsburg, I'm right there with you. Tales told round the campfire about this silent and fearsome bounty hunter. "No one's ever even seen his face!" "I heard he used to be a stormtrooper and scavenged the armor after he deserted." "My cousin said some guy told him he inherited the armor from his father." "He fought in the Clone Wars." "He was born after the Clone Wars." "He is a clone." "Aren't the stormtroopers clones?" "Maybe that's why he hides his face." And so on.

I do find it interesting that the ESB-proximal descriptors all point to him wearing the armor used by Mandalorian supercommandos, but stop short of saying he's a Mandalorian supercommando.

My personal preferred take requires the revisions I worked into my AABSWR. The Clone Wars are drawn back out to being three related conflicts that take place over about twenty or thirty years. The First Clone War is when Mandalorian ultranationalists -- the Death Watch -- commission a clone army, using themselves as templates, to get the numbers they need to take over back home. The Republic gets wind of this and, fearing a re-armed and expansionist Mandalore, strikes to take the army away from them. This leads to a general revolt and Mandalore is occupied.

Since Boba had joined Death Watch, some of the clones are of him. When he causes the death of his older brother, he goes back to their family homeworld of Concord Dawn to atone by becoming a Mandalorian Protector. He gets married, has a daughter... But then murders his superior officer. He stands mute at his trial and chooses exile over execution. Meanwhile, after the Second Clone War, as other systems react to how the Republic handled the Mandalore business and band together into a separatist movement, those seized clones (including clones of Boba) become the core of the new Stormtroopers. One of those loses his whole squad. When ordered back to the fight, he kills the officer and deserts, eventually making his way to Mandalore and presenting himself as the son of Jaster Mereel -- the years-dead leader of the opposition to Death Watch (and, incidentally, the guy who took in the Fett kids after their parents were killed). Concord Dawn is light-years away, and things are messy in the Galactic Republic, so no one checks up on that.

He works with Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala with their maquis-like resistance to the Republic-now-Imperial occupiers. When his identity is nearly uncovered, he takes a Firespray and flees. Fenn didn't know this, and just figured Boba had just abandoned them. This "Boba" knew the real one was out there somewhere, so he made his way to Hutt space and hired on as part of Jabba's retinue -- passing himself of as the Boba Fett to intimidate people, in exchange for the Hutt's protection should the real one find out.

Boba knew, of course. There were several pretenders to the name, who had acquired their own armor from somewhere and painted it in an approximation of his. He didn't like them trading on his name, but it added to his mystique that he seemed to always be in several places at once, so he let it slide. They were also useful in that someone who might have a grudge against him might accidentally take out one of the imposters.

I wanted to tackle the writing exercise of making all the disparate stories be true... from a certain point of view. I included as much from thepre-production process, the EU, and the post-AOTC canon as possible. Like Tolkien with what became and was posthumously published as the Silmarillion by his son, which was actually his background notes for The Lord of the Rings. I want to map everything out and have notes for all the connections and contingencies, regardless of what makes it into the final narrative. I want to know people's relationships and motivations, even if I gloss past it on the screen. One of my favorite moments in Buckaroo Banzai is when the team splits up to search the compound for the intruders, Reno and New Jersey are going through one of the labs, there's a watermelon in a hydraulic press, New Jersey points to it and says "Why is there a watermelon there?", Reno waves it off with "I'll tell ya later", they move on, and that's it. Never explained (is, in the novel). It's perfectly fine to not explicitly explain everything on-camera and leave the audience wondering about things that are not immediately relevant to the plot.
 
I didn’t even love the PT but I admit I feel some level of nostalgia for those wonky, weird, half-baked films. I also am happy to see Hayden Christiansen and Ahmed Best in particular get a warm reception these days. They did not at all deserve the hatred and angst they got. What happened to them back then was frankly awful.
 
When the Special Editions were being made, they made some new digital models of various ships. And they were unique. Not matching any of they filming models perfectly. The Millennium Falcon's got published online and in the Owners Workshop Manual. Which gave use good look at the differences and similarities.
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I've always wanted to find better images of the digital X-wings.
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But never turned up anything. Does anyone know if images of the Special Edition X-wing ever got published?
 
This has all been discussed ad nauseum but I would've been just fine if Boba Fett had just remained ambiguous in most all respects. He was a guy that wore Mandalorian supercommando armor, he might've once been a stormtrooper, he might've once been a Journeyman Protector from Concord Dawn named Jaster Mereel...or maybe not. No one really knows. No one is actually sure who he is or what he even looks like... In regards to backstory, I would've been fine if he had been the GFFA's version of the Joker, with a dozen possible origins and identities, all plausible but none confirmed.

George Lucas' handling of him in the PT era was pure cringe for me. There was absolutely no reason for him to have been in AotC, nor should Jango have had any connection to him. Jango should've just been another guy in Mandalorian armor (Mandalorian or not), not affiliated with Boba Fett. Disney's handling of Fett hasn't been any better, as far as I'm concerned.
Well, I always thought that the Jango Fett character SHOULD HAVE BEEN Boba instead. And not have some unaltered son/clone that was baby Boba. Why not make just make the Jango character "Boba" from the beginning, have him SURVIVE his fight with Mace Windu, and run away to fight another day? Boba would be 25 years older when we saw him in TESB and could continue on from there.
 
Well, I always thought that the Jango Fett character SHOULD HAVE BEEN Boba instead. And not have some unaltered son/clone that was baby Boba. Why not make just make the Jango character "Boba" from the beginning, have him SURVIVE his fight with Mace Windu, and run away to fight another day? Boba would be 25 years older when we saw him in TESB and could continue on from there.
Well my knee jerk reaction is that he would've been way too old in the OT if he had been an established bounty hunter in AotC but I suppose if he had been in his 20s, that'd only put him in his 40s in the OT. So that could've worked I guess!
 
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