Is this the PERFECT Obi-Wan EP1 saber?
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lonepigeon
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I don't think you can really compare details on the stunt to the Hero.
The engraved lines on the Hero are much wider and positioned as seen in the CAD model.
That second stunt without pommel cubes is probably a streamlined version without buttons etc. (like they did for the Maul saber).
The engraved lines on the Hero are much wider and positioned as seen in the CAD model.
That second stunt without pommel cubes is probably a streamlined version without buttons etc. (like they did for the Maul saber).
lonepigeon
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<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 20 2006, 05:36 AM) [snapback]1341437[/snapback]</div>
They both have the lines, yes- but the lines are thinner on the stunt and look how much lower the LED is on the Hero (much closer to the lower line).
That's like saying the Vader ANH and ROTS helmets are related because they have lines on the ridge of the nose.
The o-ring on the stunt is clearly a hard squared edge- completely different on the two sabers.
The transition area below that on the stunt is just a couple of simple steps- no tapering angles like the Hero.
I know the Hero Obi-Wan saber very well and can tell you where every paint chip, crack and machining anomaly is on the thing. I see nothing on the stunt pictured that says it's directly related to the Hero. At most they share the sample overall dimensions.
They both have the lines, yes- but the lines are thinner on the stunt and look how much lower the LED is on the Hero (much closer to the lower line).
That's like saying the Vader ANH and ROTS helmets are related because they have lines on the ridge of the nose.
The o-ring on the stunt is clearly a hard squared edge- completely different on the two sabers.
The transition area below that on the stunt is just a couple of simple steps- no tapering angles like the Hero.
I know the Hero Obi-Wan saber very well and can tell you where every paint chip, crack and machining anomaly is on the thing. I see nothing on the stunt pictured that says it's directly related to the Hero. At most they share the sample overall dimensions.
Crimsonnaire
Sr Member
This is very interesting. SithLord, your resin stunt has details that are not on either the Obi TPM or AOTC. Instead, its details match the MR Obi AOTC. There are now three possibilities: There exists another Obi TPM or AOTC hero that both your resin stunt and the MR Obi AOTC was made from; Your stunt was cast from the original, but that the process somehow created these differences; Your saber was actually cast from an MR Obi AOTC.
I can't make any suggestions as to which of these three possibilities is most likely at the moment. All I can say is that the discrepancies between your stunt and the Obi TPM--or at least the VD version--exist, and they match the MR Obi AOTC.
I can't make any suggestions as to which of these three possibilities is most likely at the moment. All I can say is that the discrepancies between your stunt and the Obi TPM--or at least the VD version--exist, and they match the MR Obi AOTC.
That's not a bad start Zenkai, as has just been mentioned, where the pommel meets the silver body, the pommel needs to be slightly smaller in diameter. Here's a pic of mine as example, although I didn't have a picture that showed that it was also a 90 degree angle...I hope you can see it clearly.
You also need to be careful about the step down near the grip. The silver section where the covertec sits, on the opposite side, there is a chunk cut out, is NOT cut how larbel did it, the only ones I've seen with the right cut are the MR Elite, and mine.
You also need to be careful about the step down near the grip. The silver section where the covertec sits, on the opposite side, there is a chunk cut out, is NOT cut how larbel did it, the only ones I've seen with the right cut are the MR Elite, and mine.
<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 20 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1341442[/snapback]</div>
I agree about the O-ring...but it seems that the O-ring on the hero is derived from whatever the original pattern was...normally you would go from sharp to soft edges, not vice versa. And it's just an o-ring...it could have fallen off and been changed. And I'm willing to share dimensions...I would guess they are identical. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to scale them to look identical in size and proportion of every single part, would I....
Just as the ANH faceplate was modified to make the ROTS faceplate, the resin stunts were molded off the original metal sabers.
It would be interesting to see photos of the machining anomalies to which you refer. I bet I could find a few on my casting.
Sorry to keep coming back to this, but the lines are identical...here's a closeup.
There are differences in certain circumferential edges...that's clear....as to why I cannot say. Why are the black ridges on the emitter on mine sharper than on the hero?
I agree about the O-ring...but it seems that the O-ring on the hero is derived from whatever the original pattern was...normally you would go from sharp to soft edges, not vice versa. And it's just an o-ring...it could have fallen off and been changed. And I'm willing to share dimensions...I would guess they are identical. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to scale them to look identical in size and proportion of every single part, would I....
Just as the ANH faceplate was modified to make the ROTS faceplate, the resin stunts were molded off the original metal sabers.
It would be interesting to see photos of the machining anomalies to which you refer. I bet I could find a few on my casting.
Sorry to keep coming back to this, but the lines are identical...here's a closeup.
There are differences in certain circumferential edges...that's clear....as to why I cannot say. Why are the black ridges on the emitter on mine sharper than on the hero?
<div class='quotetop'>(Imperious825 @ Oct 20 2006, 02:17 AM) [snapback]1341444[/snapback]</div>
Interesting ideas, Imperious825. I would rule out possibility #3 as the MR is so out of proportion from the hero and from my casting that I do not see how my casting was derived from an MR.
Interesting ideas, Imperious825. I would rule out possibility #3 as the MR is so out of proportion from the hero and from my casting that I do not see how my casting was derived from an MR.
Crimsonnaire
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 20 2006, 02:25 AM) [snapback]1341466[/snapback]</div>
It is actually with respect to proportion that I find similarities between your saber and the MR Obi AOTC. The detail that's most easy to observe is the depth of the grip slot that would be cut from the middle section of the main body. The depth of your resin saber is exactly level with that of the MR Obi AOTC, which is significantly higher than the Obi TPM prop, causing the base of the grips to be longer than the EP1 hero. The next comparable detail would be the overall diameter of the pommel minus the cubes. The diameter is level with the silver section that the covertec is attached to, which both the Obi TPM and AOTC heroes have considerably larger. The endcap of the pommel also has a higher circumference, giving it a sharper appearance, which is thoroughly accurate to the MR Obi AOTC. Following this would be the stepped collar section that connects the grip section with the thin neck section, which is right under the emitter section that the knobs sit on. This collar section is stepped, whereas the Obi TPM and AOTC heroes have a diagonal transition. This same concept applies to the o-ring section. This part is also stepped, which both the Obi TPM and AOTC has rounded. The least apparent detail that's observable from the picture you posted in correlation with the MR Obi AOTC is the higher incline of the tapering emitter plate sides. These are the same details that identify the similarities between James Kenobi's Obi TPM and the MR Obi AOTC.
In retrospect, I would say that if your saber was cast from an original, it most likely wasn't the Obi TPM or AOTC that appears in the VD because the AOTC prop was cast from the Obi TPM, and it bears not one of the discrepancies that are present on yours. At the same time, I want to remind everyone that the possibility of your stunt being cast off of another--never-before-seen--hero is very real. For example, the saber that appears in this picture:
[image]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Imperious825/obiAOTC.jpg[/image]
This saber has a high polish, which would lead some to conclude that it's the AOTC prop. However, some might see it as the EP1 hero because of what appears to be a black o-ring. And if you dismiss the high polish as a trick of light and call this the EP1 hero, then you would have to reconcile the concave dot that's at the center of the emitter plate that's visible in another still from this same footage, which is completely absent on the Obi TPM emitter plate. Perhaps this is another hero made for filming. We've all seen the Obi ROTS version that has a raised emitter plate with 3 big holes:
[image]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Imperious825/obiwanEp31.jpg[/image]
How can we be sure that they made this saber during production of ROTS? For all we know, it could've been made during TPM or AOTC. After all, MR's been saying for years that the prop department makes multiple heroes.
The saber at the bottom is an HK SS O that was customized under the supervision of the current owner. Also, it is a replica of the EP1 hero and not AOTC.
It is actually with respect to proportion that I find similarities between your saber and the MR Obi AOTC. The detail that's most easy to observe is the depth of the grip slot that would be cut from the middle section of the main body. The depth of your resin saber is exactly level with that of the MR Obi AOTC, which is significantly higher than the Obi TPM prop, causing the base of the grips to be longer than the EP1 hero. The next comparable detail would be the overall diameter of the pommel minus the cubes. The diameter is level with the silver section that the covertec is attached to, which both the Obi TPM and AOTC heroes have considerably larger. The endcap of the pommel also has a higher circumference, giving it a sharper appearance, which is thoroughly accurate to the MR Obi AOTC. Following this would be the stepped collar section that connects the grip section with the thin neck section, which is right under the emitter section that the knobs sit on. This collar section is stepped, whereas the Obi TPM and AOTC heroes have a diagonal transition. This same concept applies to the o-ring section. This part is also stepped, which both the Obi TPM and AOTC has rounded. The least apparent detail that's observable from the picture you posted in correlation with the MR Obi AOTC is the higher incline of the tapering emitter plate sides. These are the same details that identify the similarities between James Kenobi's Obi TPM and the MR Obi AOTC.
In retrospect, I would say that if your saber was cast from an original, it most likely wasn't the Obi TPM or AOTC that appears in the VD because the AOTC prop was cast from the Obi TPM, and it bears not one of the discrepancies that are present on yours. At the same time, I want to remind everyone that the possibility of your stunt being cast off of another--never-before-seen--hero is very real. For example, the saber that appears in this picture:
[image]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Imperious825/obiAOTC.jpg[/image]
This saber has a high polish, which would lead some to conclude that it's the AOTC prop. However, some might see it as the EP1 hero because of what appears to be a black o-ring. And if you dismiss the high polish as a trick of light and call this the EP1 hero, then you would have to reconcile the concave dot that's at the center of the emitter plate that's visible in another still from this same footage, which is completely absent on the Obi TPM emitter plate. Perhaps this is another hero made for filming. We've all seen the Obi ROTS version that has a raised emitter plate with 3 big holes:
[image]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/Imperious825/obiwanEp31.jpg[/image]
How can we be sure that they made this saber during production of ROTS? For all we know, it could've been made during TPM or AOTC. After all, MR's been saying for years that the prop department makes multiple heroes.
lonepigeon
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 20 2006, 07:12 AM) [snapback]1341463[/snapback]</div>
I have to disagree. Your red comparison lines aren't even parallel.
Look at the space between the LED bezel and the line (the right side in pic).
The Hero LED is much closer to the line.
There's no way that thing is cast from the Hero, at least not the one we know from all the LFL photos.
Look to the right of the red button- every transistion on yours is a 90 degree step. It has none of the subtleties of the Hero - the round edge of the o-ring, the angles leading to the wide band, none of it.
I'm not saying your isn't production made, just if it is it wasn't cast from the Hero. They probably didn't want to risk damaging it and made a second one to cast.
Sorry to keep coming back to this, but the lines are identical...here's a closeup.
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I have to disagree. Your red comparison lines aren't even parallel.
Look at the space between the LED bezel and the line (the right side in pic).
The Hero LED is much closer to the line.
There's no way that thing is cast from the Hero, at least not the one we know from all the LFL photos.
Look to the right of the red button- every transistion on yours is a 90 degree step. It has none of the subtleties of the Hero - the round edge of the o-ring, the angles leading to the wide band, none of it.
I'm not saying your isn't production made, just if it is it wasn't cast from the Hero. They probably didn't want to risk damaging it and made a second one to cast.
Well, here are the changes I've made:
* Emitter shroud: fixed groove width, window cutout, LEDs
* Emitter black grips: fixed depth, put in bevels (surprised no one pointed this out already)
* Grip shroud: fixed and smoothed shape
* Pommel: first step is now of smaller diameter than the body part it abuts
Anything else look wrong? Here are the new pics:
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A few views of the details
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The new VD comparison. Still can't get the angles to match perfectly, but close enough, eh?
* Emitter shroud: fixed groove width, window cutout, LEDs
* Emitter black grips: fixed depth, put in bevels (surprised no one pointed this out already)
* Grip shroud: fixed and smoothed shape
* Pommel: first step is now of smaller diameter than the body part it abuts
Anything else look wrong? Here are the new pics:
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A few views of the details
[attachmentid=10604]
The new VD comparison. Still can't get the angles to match perfectly, but close enough, eh?
Wow, now that's starting to look really really good.
I am very excited by this project.
Dan Stokes
DStokes@aol.com
I am very excited by this project.
Dan Stokes
DStokes@aol.com
Interesting analysis, Imperious825...i'll have to get a closeup of that AOTC saber Ewan is holding and see if I can make out any more detail 
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I see what you mean, Lonepigeon, about the hero LED being closer to the line. What I meant was that the two lines on either side of it are the same location with respect to the end of the emmitter and are the same thickness. I agree with you guys that this was probably not cast from the TPM hero and there must have been another hero saber made at some point during TPM or AOTC.
Wow that's looking great, Zenkai. :thumbsup
. I see what you mean, Lonepigeon, about the hero LED being closer to the line. What I meant was that the two lines on either side of it are the same location with respect to the end of the emmitter and are the same thickness. I agree with you guys that this was probably not cast from the TPM hero and there must have been another hero saber made at some point during TPM or AOTC.
Wow that's looking great, Zenkai. :thumbsup
Zenkai, with regards to the pommel, the diameter is only part of it. It is initially a 90 degree angle, which then maybe 1mm afterwards turns into the shape you're showing. The MR Elite was actually right on this aspect.
There is no 'close enough', as you well know. I got 'close enough', as a few people here will say, I'm sure, but it's not perfect. I would add the one detail to mine if I could.
Slightly (very) drunk, so apologies if this makes no sense...
There is no 'close enough', as you well know.
I got 'close enough', as a few people here will say, I'm sure, but it's not perfect. I would add the one detail to mine if I could.Slightly (very) drunk, so apologies if this makes no sense...
the.rebel.agent
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 20 2006, 05:58 AM) [snapback]1341477[/snapback]</div>
Great work. Inspired me to investigate and I found this:
http://registry.rebelscum.com/index.php?ac...iwan_comparison
Hope that helps.
Great work. Inspired me to investigate and I found this:
http://registry.rebelscum.com/index.php?ac...iwan_comparison
Hope that helps.
the.rebel.agent
Sr Member
Sorry about the question but...Are the MR Obi-Wan TMP and AOTC screen accurate? I hear about quality problems about the Elite Edition... :confused
Another one. hope that helps.
http://www.starwars-tw.com/replica/saber/mr/obiwan-ep1.htm
Another one. hope that helps.
http://www.starwars-tw.com/replica/saber/mr/obiwan-ep1.htm
Darth Lars
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Hez @ Oct 20 2006, 08:20 AM) [snapback]1341445[/snapback]</div>
My interpretation of this detail was that the "chunk" was cut 90° (straight down) to the tube surface as well.
That is how I filed this detail down on my own replica.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 20 2006, 10:58 AM) [snapback]1341477[/snapback]</div>
The depth is good now. Sorry for not mentioning.
About the pommel: I believe the surface going down to the endcap is a perfect cone, except that it is slightly rounded near the pommel cubes. I think the endcap itself could be a round bolt head, because it has the same shape.
Too bad the old thread where Hez showed his replica the first time is gone.. Great many details were discussed there, and I am afraid that I can't remember them all.
Could you explain that a little bit more?
My interpretation of this detail was that the "chunk" was cut 90° (straight down) to the tube surface as well.
That is how I filed this detail down on my own replica.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 20 2006, 10:58 AM) [snapback]1341477[/snapback]</div>
I disagree about the bevel. I believe also that the edges are not perfectly sharp. However, all reference pics are from a slight angle and have perspective, so it is difficult to tell.
The depth is good now. Sorry for not mentioning.
About the pommel: I believe the surface going down to the endcap is a perfect cone, except that it is slightly rounded near the pommel cubes. I think the endcap itself could be a round bolt head, because it has the same shape.
Too bad the old thread where Hez showed his replica the first time is gone.. Great many details were discussed there, and I am afraid that I can't remember them all.
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