Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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From the mind of the man who brought you More American Graffiti, Howard The Duck, and Jar-Jar Binks…Paramount Pictures and Lucasfilm are proud to bring you:
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lead-Lined Frigidaire
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joberg
Legendary Member
Don't make fun of my Belgian Schtroumpfs (Smurfs)
You know what suspends my disbelief?
The idea that Hollywood is so desperate for content that they believe the public will seriously consider an 80 year old man as an action adventure hero. Then again there's very little about this world that suggests people these days are comfortable with aging much less aging with any sense of dignity.
Even in my early 40's I recognize that there are things I can't do like I used to in my 20's. It sucks, but that's reality.
The idea that Hollywood is so desperate for content that they believe the public will seriously consider an 80 year old man as an action adventure hero. Then again there's very little about this world that suggests people these days are comfortable with aging much less aging with any sense of dignity.
Even in my early 40's I recognize that there are things I can't do like I used to in my 20's. It sucks, but that's reality.
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NakedMoleRat
Master Member
You’re obviously not the intended demographic.And how would that knight know anything at all other than by trial and error? Or did God appear before him and tell him the instruction manual? Was the seal there when he used it too? Who put the seal there? Who put the traps there? Him and his two knight brothers? Did they consecrate the ground to enable the magic seal to work? Maybe it was like The Puzzle Box explanation in Hellraiser 4...A ritual using MAGIC (because we all know magic exists; there's just sorcerer's shooting magic missiles and lightning bolts out their fingers all the time on the battlefields....
In other words, I don't care what the geezer said. It's total nonsense and why the movie's ending isn't much better than Crystal Skull (which wouldn't have been too crazy either if the ship just took off, but no that gateway appeared inside and sucked Cate Blanchett into hell or something first and the skulls merged into a living being (the aliens are made of crystal?) and yet how'd they get to be skeletons if they were alive? It was just stupid and also totally unnecessary when having a gateway open and actual living aliens show up to reclaim the skulls would have made more sense. They could have then set the saucer to either return on auto-pilot or self-destruct and told them to get out. At least it wouldn't have been utter nonsense of the highest order with crystal skulls turning alive and no explanation for why a gateway opened AND the ship took off. Ugh. Was Spielberg on crack when he made that movie? A monkey with a pompadour? UGH. The movie could be fixed with editing and unlike Star Wars, I think it should be (including replacing Shia La Bupkis with a real actor).
Give it another 10 years. It gets worse…
VonMagnum
Sr Member
I'm not sure what you're getting at (white straight male teenager/young to mid-age adult was exactly their intended demographic back then and I saw it at the movie theater and enjoyed it), but you make it sound like I have to agree/believe along the lines that Smurfs are real or else I don't "get" the movie (Besides, Smurfs are real; see Neil Patrick Harris).
Just because I think the ending was poor doesn't mean I didn't like the rest of the movie. In fact, the movie was really about the father/son journey, not the destination (I'm sure they had that in mind with Crystal Kingdom too, but Shia isn't exactly in the same caliber as Sean Connery). Hell, I even liked parts of Crystal Skull (although Shia ruined much of it). Indy & Marion getting back together wasn't an altogether bad idea, although she was hardly my favorite Indy girl (that would be Alison Doody with her double D's...dirty & duplicitous).
It doesn't matter. I'm sure Indiana Jones and Temple University's Dial of Arthritic Doom will totally make up for all prior Indy Faux Pas.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
Your not in the demographic that walks out of the theater underneath a rainbow arch yelling out “EVERYTHING IS AWESOME, there was nothing wrong with that!”I'm not sure what you're getting at (white straight male teenager/young to mid-age adult was exactly their intended demographic back then and I saw it at the movie theater and enjoyed it), but you make it sound like I have to agree/believe along the lines that Smurfs are real or else I don't "get" the movie (Besides, Smurfs are real; see Neil Patrick Harris).
Just because I think the ending was poor doesn't mean I didn't like the rest of the movie. In fact, the movie was really about the father/son journey, not the destination (I'm sure they had that in mind with Crystal Kingdom too, but Shia isn't exactly in the same caliber as Sean Connery). Hell, I even liked parts of Crystal Skull (although Shia ruined much of it). Indy & Marion getting back together wasn't an altogether bad idea, although she was hardly my favorite Indy girl (that would be Alison Doody with her double D's...dirty & duplicitous).
It doesn't matter. I'm sure Indiana Jones and Temple University's Dial of Arthritic Doom will totally make up for all prior Indy Faux Pas.
You think rationally and can see obvious flaws, while still finding some enjoyment in it.
The studio isn’t looking for folks like you.
TazMan2000
Master Member
People go to movies to be entertained and to escape life for a bit, perhaps to vicariously live it through an experience of someone we never could achieve to be, but still, in some way, aspire to be.
Depending on the genre, when creating an action movie, you push the boundary of what is believable. Some movies go so far into the impossible or improbable, that it takes the brain out of it's entertained fantasy state and slams it back into reality. Once that happens, it's really difficult for the brain to get back into the escapism and thusly the enjoyment of the movie is ruined.
We can all be pragmatic after the fact, and that's fine. Some things mentioned by members gets you thinking back and saying to yourself "That's right...I missed that revelation". But this website exists because we all love movies, and the props of them are our memories of what we enjoyed. If everything in movies was believable and probable, we probably wouldn't go see them, since they would be less exciting that our current lives, or just as depressing. What kind of entertainment would that be?
TazMan2000
Depending on the genre, when creating an action movie, you push the boundary of what is believable. Some movies go so far into the impossible or improbable, that it takes the brain out of it's entertained fantasy state and slams it back into reality. Once that happens, it's really difficult for the brain to get back into the escapism and thusly the enjoyment of the movie is ruined.
We can all be pragmatic after the fact, and that's fine. Some things mentioned by members gets you thinking back and saying to yourself "That's right...I missed that revelation". But this website exists because we all love movies, and the props of them are our memories of what we enjoyed. If everything in movies was believable and probable, we probably wouldn't go see them, since they would be less exciting that our current lives, or just as depressing. What kind of entertainment would that be?
TazMan2000
Contrarian opinion about the Indy/Harrison age issue:
I suspect that for a 14yo kid in the audience, Indy's age is less of an issue that it is for people like us.
It's still an issue, yeah. But I'm guessing the problem was already so maxed-out by 'Crystal Skull' that doesn't have much room left to worsen. Not for young viewers.
When you are 14yo, what do you care about the difference between 67yo or 78yo? To them it must sound like we're having a heated debate about whether Harrison should have retired at age 130 or if he still has it at 140. Whatever. He's just old-A-F, period. Only people who are closer to his age are gonna make big distinctions between Harrison in 2008 versus 2020. That's how a random 14yo kid probably looks at this.
I suspect that for a 14yo kid in the audience, Indy's age is less of an issue that it is for people like us.
It's still an issue, yeah. But I'm guessing the problem was already so maxed-out by 'Crystal Skull' that doesn't have much room left to worsen. Not for young viewers.
When you are 14yo, what do you care about the difference between 67yo or 78yo? To them it must sound like we're having a heated debate about whether Harrison should have retired at age 130 or if he still has it at 140. Whatever. He's just old-A-F, period. Only people who are closer to his age are gonna make big distinctions between Harrison in 2008 versus 2020. That's how a random 14yo kid probably looks at this.
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NakedMoleRat
Master Member
True. When I was watching The Batman and he was gliding from the rooftop, and he the ground at something like 60 MPH, bounced, rolled, slammed into walls, etc. and then got up, groaned and walked it off, I was thinking, he’s not super powered, he’s just a guy in a leather suit! He should be dead!
The true target audience for this movie is middle age adults which is why all these major IPs lean so heavily on nostalgia.
Teenagers don't care about Indiana Jones. If they did there would have been about 20 films by now. Instead there have been 5 films over 41 years. Whether we like it or not our favorite IPs will fade away with the adults who grew up with them. That's just how these things play out. Our generation just happened to keep it alive a lot longer.
Teenagers don't care about Indiana Jones. If they did there would have been about 20 films by now. Instead there have been 5 films over 41 years. Whether we like it or not our favorite IPs will fade away with the adults who grew up with them. That's just how these things play out. Our generation just happened to keep it alive a lot longer.
Great points.
Retroblasting did a great job covering this issue, here:
And Indy 5 in particular, here:
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VonMagnum
Sr Member
What do 14 year olds have to do with anything? Indy movies are for 40+ year olds.
Young kids don't care about ancient Harrison Ford period. Or Donkey Kong. Or Pac-Man. Or Guns'n'Roses. They're for middle aged people like me, which is why Indy movies should absolutely be made like a 1960s (or at least 1980s) movie including realistic portrayals of human behavior at the time.
Just look at James Cameron's recent statement that he wouldn't have made The Terminator today because it "fetishizes" guns. Ridiculous. What does he want the robots and humans alike to use in that movie? Spoons? What are they using in his new Avatar movie? Sporks?
Rewriting history in movies to fit some modern "woke" agenda fantasies really needs to stop. The same people pushing pure historical fantasy for "equity" reasons (equity meaning everyone gets exactly the same thing regardless of actual qualifications, work ethic or merit) have a fit when someone denies something they believe in or believes in something they don't). It's called hypocrisy and it's becoming even more common every day.
Young kids don't care about ancient Harrison Ford period. Or Donkey Kong. Or Pac-Man. Or Guns'n'Roses. They're for middle aged people like me, which is why Indy movies should absolutely be made like a 1960s (or at least 1980s) movie including realistic portrayals of human behavior at the time.
Just look at James Cameron's recent statement that he wouldn't have made The Terminator today because it "fetishizes" guns. Ridiculous. What does he want the robots and humans alike to use in that movie? Spoons? What are they using in his new Avatar movie? Sporks?
Rewriting history in movies to fit some modern "woke" agenda fantasies really needs to stop. The same people pushing pure historical fantasy for "equity" reasons (equity meaning everyone gets exactly the same thing regardless of actual qualifications, work ethic or merit) have a fit when someone denies something they believe in or believes in something they don't). It's called hypocrisy and it's becoming even more common every day.
How many middle-aged Indy fans does Lucasfilm expect to win over with the infamous "woke agenda"?
Of course these Indy movies are still made for 14yo kids. The aim is for a wide swath of ages.
Right now they are trying to pass the torch to other characters and keep the franchise going. They want to do this even if it means disappointing or angering some older fans in the process. Etc.
Of course these Indy movies are still made for 14yo kids. The aim is for a wide swath of ages.
Right now they are trying to pass the torch to other characters and keep the franchise going. They want to do this even if it means disappointing or angering some older fans in the process. Etc.
TazMan2000
Master Member
Please don't say that. With the unimaginative people in Hollywood that keep beating a dead horse, with taking successful movies and keep making sequels to them, I'm afraid that they will see the discussions on this website and make a movie out of them.
TazMan2000
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
Which would get an Oscar!
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
VonMagnum
Sr Member
They can aim anywhere they want (wish is more like it and you know what they say about wishing in one hand and crapping in the other and seeing which gets filled first), but they're going to miss. Period.
The only 14-year olds seeing this disaster will be the ones their parents told to go see a movie with grandpa.... Poor kids.
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