Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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God Bless you. It seemed to go into odd territory.
So getting back on track Indy 5 is gonna suck.
matty matt
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I watched Crystal Skull for the first time since it came out with my son last week. Aside from a couple incredibly stupid parts (Mutt swinging on the vines, etc.), it wasn't that bad. My son liked it and now he wants to see the new one. So that's cool.
My biggest problem with these new Indy films, is that once you've found the holy grail and literally ridden off into the sunset, there's really no where to go but down.
My biggest problem with these new Indy films, is that once you've found the holy grail and literally ridden off into the sunset, there's really no where to go but down.
NakedMoleRat
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Yet…down they go!
matty matt
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Yeah, I don't really have an issue with the fridge thing. It falls into the "Indy gets lucky and survives something otherwise unsurvivable" category. I just don't think the overall cartoony, over the top tone of the film helps. TOD was kind of like this but Spielberg dialed things back with Last Crusade. I guess we'll just have to wait to see what Mangold's approach is.
I still think the 'leap of faith' is as much of an offense to realism as any of the other ones that usually get cited. It's the climactic choice/moment of the whole movie and it's not remotely believable, even to a child.
No artist's painting is ever going to be so realistic that you don't notice a rock bridge a few inches in front of your toes. Sorry, no. That's not a thing. It's not achieveable even with modern super-black light-absorbing paints.
I could forgive this one more easily if it was a throwaway gag earlier in the movie. But it's too important the way it is. They should have come up with some other way for Indy to make an irrational leap of faith. I mean, they could have made the scene darker & foggy, maybe have the painted rock bridge located a few feet down below for Indy to fall onto, etc. Do SOMETHING more believable than what's in the final cut.
No artist's painting is ever going to be so realistic that you don't notice a rock bridge a few inches in front of your toes. Sorry, no. That's not a thing. It's not achieveable even with modern super-black light-absorbing paints.
I could forgive this one more easily if it was a throwaway gag earlier in the movie. But it's too important the way it is. They should have come up with some other way for Indy to make an irrational leap of faith. I mean, they could have made the scene darker & foggy, maybe have the painted rock bridge located a few feet down below for Indy to fall onto, etc. Do SOMETHING more believable than what's in the final cut.
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NakedMoleRat
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Breaking news: Will Smith was cast to play Henry Jones Sr in a flashback scene for Indy 5.
I've always interpreted the bridge illusion as being supernaturally enhanced. The false grails all have supernatural properties; why not the bridge?
Crystal Skull certainly exhibited more important structural flaws beyond the nuked fridge. Nevertheless, it remains objectively, exponentially more stupid than any other Indy escape. There's simply zero room for suspension of disbelief.
With the 'leap of faith,' we have the concept of Trompe l'oeil paintings (and again, a fallback excuse of the supernatural); with the ToD raft fall, we have the concept of parachutes, plus the relative cushioning of snow and water. Even if these are impossible as depicted, they're in the rough ballpark of something we know to be plausible (or at least acceptable within the logic of the film). There's no basis for lead having any protective effect against a devastating explosive blast, extreme thermal radiation, or blunt force trauma; its relation to nuclear radiation is irrelevant to the scene; and no supernatural forces were at play. There's a good reason why MythBusters devoted a whole episode to the raft fall, but dismissed the nuked fridge after a full day's brainstorm on account of it being just too stupid.
On the plus side... it set an absurdly low bar for IndyDD to clear on the plausibility front. It may very well end up sucking as a film, but with any luck, the nuked fridge should continue to take the cake.
NakedMoleRat
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How many other refrigerators in other houses were destroyed…except for his?
Now. If it had been a built in redundancy for ones accidentally trapped in a bomb town to get out safely, I could have bought that.
But again, there should have been a dozen fridges all raining down.
Now. If it had been a built in redundancy for ones accidentally trapped in a bomb town to get out safely, I could have bought that.
But again, there should have been a dozen fridges all raining down.
matty matt
Sr Member
Yeah, they would have all been destroyed for sure. Why not just have him luck out and find an actual bomb shelter at the last second? It would make much more sense.
On the other hand we're talking about a series where a dude survived for hundreds of years by drinking from a magic cup, so who knows. I think the tone is very important with this stuff and why some things work and some don't. The grail knight was portrayed as a frail old man who couldn't even lift his sword. He seemed ancient so it kind of works. If that movie came out today they'd have him flipping around like Darth Maul and it would be ridiculous.
cboath
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While that's probably true - everyone's eyeline is at a different height. The average height in the 1600's (whenever king arthur's time was) was not what it was in 1930, or 2020 for that matter. That POV would have to match Indy's height to come off that well.
The more obvious thing though is that unless the knight was sweeping the bridge daily, there'd be dust on it making it clear as day.
joberg
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Ah yes; the new Indiana Bones
What...they didn't use the word "Fearless"? I want my money back
That was in the old Hollywood movies..."Did you see those gams on that broad? Sexy!!"
ScourgiousJinx
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So there's a magic cup that nearly instantly completely heals those who drink water from it & magically extends life far beyond their natural lifespan, a supernatural chest that contains powerful destructive apparitions, mystical stones that bring magic happiness/prosperity or the wrath of a deity etc. If you can suspend disbelief for the ridiculous supernatural elements I would think the more plausible events such as the nuclear refrigerator and the optical illusion invisible bridge would be a little easier to swallow.
I'm still not keen on time travel in Indy 5 as for me it feels more like a plot device in order to have young Indy in the film than anything else. I really think it's going to depend on how it's handled but it's not looking good so far.
I'm still not keen on time travel in Indy 5 as for me it feels more like a plot device in order to have young Indy in the film than anything else. I really think it's going to depend on how it's handled but it's not looking good so far.
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NakedMoleRat
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Touché
TazMan2000
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So there's a magic cup that nearly instantly completely heals those who drink water from it & magically extends life far beyond their natural lifespan, a supernatural chest that contains powerful destructive apparitions, mystical stones that bring magic happiness/prosperity or the wrath of a deity etc. If you can suspend disbelief for the ridiculous supernatural elements I would think the more plausible events such as the nuclear refrigerator and the optical illusion invisible bridge would be a little easier to swallow.
I'm still not keen on time travel in Indy 5 as for me it feels more like a plot device in order to have young Indy in the film than anything else. I really think it's going to depend on how it's handled but it's not looking good so far.
Speaking of the "leap of faith" scene....you would think Indy would have sprinkled sand before he stepped off the ledge.
TazMan2000
NakedMoleRat
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He didn’t realize what the ledge was until after he stepped off. For him, it truly was a leap of faith.
The Nuke the Fridge scenario of KOTCS is a false equivalency—of “stupidity of concept”—to the Leap of Faith of The Last Crusade…not even remotely close.
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TazMan2000
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More like a "step" of faith.
If I was there, I'd might have 100% faith in the Almighty, but about 1% faith in the contractor who built the bottomless chasm and the "magic" bridge. Plus the bridge was narrow. The possibility of stepping off incorrectly could have buckled his knees and sent him falling into the abyss.
Then they would have had to rewrite the script.
TazMan2000
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