Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[VonMagnum]

Shouldn't Indy and his father be forever young? They both drank from the Grail....

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Shouldn't Indy and his father be forever young? They both drank from the Grail....

But they left the sacred circle so the effects were nullified.

Then again, senior should have also started bleeding again and died, but…. You know.

More like a "step" of faith.

If I was there, I'd might have 100% faith in the Almighty, but about 1% faith in the contractor who built the bottomless chasm and the "magic" bridge. Plus the bridge was narrow. The possibility of stepping off incorrectly could have buckled his knees and sent him falling into the abyss.
Then they would have had to rewrite the script.

TazMan2000

There you go again, throwing science into a perfectly good fantasy extrapolation.

 

[TazMan2000]

There you go again, throwing science into a perfectly good fantasy extrapolation.

I wouldn't change a thing. It was a great movie.

TazMan2000

 

[VonMagnum]

But they left the sacred circle so the effects were nullified.

Then again, senior should have also started bleeding again and died, but…. You know.

The sacred circle? I must have missed the part of the Grail legend where ******'s blood only functions in a temple in Petra, Jordan... Besides, the Templar Knight didn't look too healthy either. It must only slow aging. I don't know where they got those cursed grails to place there either. Satanic magical rituals? And who reset the saw blade trap after each use? Old fashioned traps are generally non-functional after being sprung. That must have been a perpetual motion machine. Funny, how it ran out of gas when it missed Indy....

The whole thing is ridiculous if you think too much about it. It's a good thing the rest of the movie was good....

 

[NakedMoleRat]

The sacred circle? I must have missed the part of the Grail legend where ******'s blood only functions in a temple in Petra, Jordan... Besides, the Templar Knight didn't look too healthy either. It must only slow aging. I don't know where they got those cursed grails to place there either. Satanic magical rituals? And who reset the saw blade trap after each use? Old fashioned traps are generally non-functional after being sprung. That must have been a perpetual motion machine. Funny, how it ran out of gas when it missed Indy....

The whole thing is ridiculous if you think too much about it. It's a good thing the rest of the movie was good....

Didn’t run out of gas. There was a convenient rope with a loop on the end laying on the ground that he looped on an equally convenient peg of the spinning wheel that ran the blades.

He shut it down with that.

 

[SickleClaw]

But they left the sacred circle so the effects were nullified.

Then again, senior should have also started bleeding again and died, but…. You know.


There you go again, throwing science into a perfectly good fantasy extrapolation.

Everyone forgets the exchange between Donovan and Indy at the start. Indy tells the story of the brothers who found the grail walking out of the desert 150 years later and dying of extreme old age. So the Grail is stated at the outset that it doesn't give everlasting life outside of the seal. The third knight lived as long as he did because he never left the cave.

Also regarding the seal, it's highly likely if they were crusaders, that these three knights were Templars. You know, the ones that were burned at stake by the church they served? I don't think it's too far of a stretch to think that they had found the original resting place of the Grail. Also the Donovan speech with Indy is pretty vague. It's unclear regarding the walk out of the desert part if the Knights replaced the grail somewhere or that's where they originally found it. If it's where they originally found it, the 1,000 years the grail went missing is a pretty long period of time for pretty much anyone with a basic knowledge of magic (which we know exists thanks to voodoo dolls and heart ripping in temple!) to figure out how to make a seal and make dummy cursed grails.

 

[VonMagnum]

Didn’t run out of gas. There was a convenient role with a loop on the end laying on the ground that he looped on an equally convenient peg of the spinning wheel that ran the blades.

He shut it down with that.

It had enough power to cut a head off, but not enough to break a rope and didn't instantly reset (more convenient still) and unless one believes in perpetual motion machines, it would have to stop eventually (even with a big spring or the like).

I also thought it funny that a penitent man would still be sliced to bits (there was a 2nd lower blade too) 7nless you knew to leap forward at just the right moment as well. Ridiculous.

How did the magic seal work? There was a tracking GPS chip in the Grail or a magnetic computer chip to tell it went over the seal? If it's God's power then why the conventional traps and illusions tricks? Just let God smite whom He will. Problem solved and the knight wouldn't have to be punished by spending hundreds of years on his knees with no food to "protect" it (not that he exactly did a good job with sword swing anyway).... Again, it's a ridiculous ending.

Then there's the cave in Raiders. If they had a Boulder to seal the cave from the inside if someone made it to the idle, why not seal it rather than the Dragon's Lair marble trap? And how did Indy know he would need a bag of sand in the first place? There was some conveniently left at the cave opening for that purpose as well.

The point is if you question anything in these movies, it all falls apart.

People blame Crystal Skull for being absurd, but interdimensional aliens aren't as ridiculous as supernatural blundering. If you look at the ark opened (in the Bible it didn't have to be opened to smite; just touching it or even looking at it uncovered would kill you), it indiscriminately kills, but God is Just? Right. He's far too busy to judge so he trapped the Ark with supernatural tricks (or was it an alien device with a reactor and a trap to electrocute anyone who didn't know the trick to open it safely? Some insulated gloves for instance....).

I think other than the stones heating up at the end (and the voodoo doll which seemed out of place), Temple of Doom seemed the most realistic/plausible adventure.

 

[VonMagnum]

Everyone forgets the exchange between Donovan and Indy at the start. Indy tells the story of the brothers who found the grail walking out of the desert 150 years later and dying of extreme old age. So the Grail is stated at the outset that it doesn't give everlasting life outside of the seal. The third knight lived as long as he did because he never left the cave.

Also regarding the seal, it's highly likely if they were crusaders, that these three knights were Templars. You know, the ones that were burned at stake by the church they served? I don't think it's too far of a stretch to think that they had found the original resting place of the Grail. Also the Donovan speech with Indy is pretty vague. It's unclear regarding the walk out of the desert part if the Knights replaced the grail somewhere or that's where they originally found it. If it's where they originally found it, the 1,000 years the grail went missing is a pretty long period of time for pretty much anyone with a basic knowledge of magic (which we know exists thanks to voodoo dolls and heart ripping in temple!) to figure out how to make a seal and make dummy cursed grails.

The Templars weren't exactly burned by the church they served. The King of France needed money and decided they had what he wanted and it seems they had something over the Catholic Church as well so they were happy to assist.

Regardless, whatever treasures the Templars found they found them in Jerusalem and moved them out to France, Scotland and possibly Canada (Oak Island). On any case, they weren't all killed. Some think the remaining Templars changed their names to avoid capture and possibly changed or joined another secret society (e.g. The Free Masons).

Some think the Ark was moved to Ethiopia long before the Crusades, but Raiders contradicts that.

 

[TazMan2000]

I think Robot Chicken's portrayal of the end scene of Last Crusade explained it best how the knight managed to spend his time.

TazMan2000

 

[NakedMoleRat]

We all know that the arc is in Warehouse 13!

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

The sacred circle? I must have missed the part of the Grail legend where ******'s blood only functions in a temple in Petra, Jordan... Besides, the Templar Knight didn't look too healthy either. It must only slow aging. I don't know where they got those cursed grails to place there either. Satanic magical rituals? And who reset the saw blade trap after each use? Old fashioned traps are generally non-functional after being sprung. That must have been a perpetual motion machine. Funny, how it ran out of gas when it missed Indy....

The whole thing is ridiculous if you think too much about it. It's a good thing the rest of the movie was good....

Indy and his dad should still have extended life spans. I think they just couldn't take the Grail past the seal. There was never anything that said that you had to stay in the temple to get the effect of the Grail. The Templar Knight was only there to guard the Grail, not to stay alive.

The question is, do the effects of the Grail still work if say Henry Jones Sr. got cancer after he drank from the Grail? Maybe the Grail only cures what is ailing you when you drink from it, not future problems? That would explain how his dad died.

 

[VonMagnum]

If they did take the Grail past the seal successfully (you know like running across instead of slowly backing up across it), would the earthquakes continue indefinitely until the whole world is destroyed?

What if they didn't cross the seal, but drilled in from above to that cavern and took it out that way (trap avoided). Like I said, it's absurd. It worked for the Ark (God angry!) but stones heating up because Indy says that dude betrayed Shiva... So what? Shiva didn't notice until Indy said it out loud? Ludicrous.

 

[Psab keel]

 

[Lightning]

Shouldn't Indy and his father be forever young? They both drank from the Grail....

Besides, the Templar Knight didn't look too healthy either. It must only slow aging

The question is, do the effects of the Grail still work if say Henry Jones Sr. got cancer after he drank from the Grail? Maybe the Grail only cures what is ailing you when you drink from it, not future problems? That would explain how his dad died

To me, everything in the movie points to the Grail healing you to 100% healthy for your age. So Indy is a perfectly healthy 39 year old, and the grail knight is as healthy is possible for a 700 year old. I figure the knight was healing himself from starvation every day. Thus the other knights die of very old age when they leave since they cant drink from it anymore. It wont stop you from getting a new sickness the next day.

 

[TazMan2000]

Indy and his dad should still have extended life spans. I think they just couldn't take the Grail past the seal. There was never anything that said that you had to stay in the temple to get the effect of the Grail. The Templar Knight was only there to guard the Grail, not to stay alive.

The question is, do the effects of the Grail still work if say Henry Jones Sr. got cancer after he drank from the Grail? Maybe the Grail only cures what is ailing you when you drink from it, not future problems? That would explain how his dad died.

Not a direct quote, but I remember the knight said "...that is the price of immortality".

TazMan2000

 

[CopperRevan]

I know Christmas is over but it's with a heavy heart I must report to you all that...I know what I must do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it...oh my, uh...Folks, Indy got ran over by a reindeer walking home from our house on Christmas Eve. You may think there's no such thing as closure, but as for me and others, we believe. But...no ones ever truly gone so I digress.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Apparently they're going to address what happened to "Mutt." I don't think this is a good move, no one cares. Just pretend it didn't happen and move on.

 

[VonMagnum]

Not a direct quote, but I remember the knight said "...that is the price of immortality".

TazMan2000

And how would that knight know anything at all other than by trial and error? Or did God appear before him and tell him the instruction manual? Was the seal there when he used it too? Who put the seal there? Who put the traps there? Him and his two knight brothers? Did they consecrate the ground to enable the magic seal to work? Maybe it was like The Puzzle Box explanation in Hellraiser 4...A ritual using MAGIC (because we all know magic exists; there's just sorcerer's shooting magic missiles and lightning bolts out their fingers all the time on the battlefields.... )

In other words, I don't care what the geezer said. It's total nonsense and why the movie's ending isn't much better than Crystal Skull (which wouldn't have been too crazy either if the ship just took off, but no that gateway appeared inside and sucked Cate Blanchett into hell or something first and the skulls merged into a living being (the aliens are made of crystal?) and yet how'd they get to be skeletons if they were alive? It was just stupid and also totally unnecessary when having a gateway open and actual living aliens show up to reclaim the skulls would have made more sense. They could have then set the saucer to either return on auto-pilot or self-destruct and told them to get out. At least it wouldn't have been utter nonsense of the highest order with crystal skulls turning alive and no explanation for why a gateway opened AND the ship took off. Ugh. Was Spielberg on crack when he made that movie? A monkey with a pompadour? UGH. The movie could be fixed with editing and unlike Star Wars, I think it should be (including replacing Shia La Bupkis with a real actor).

 

[TazMan2000]

And how would that knight know anything at all other than by trial and error? Or did God appear before him and tell him the instruction manual? Was the seal there when he used it too? Who put the seal there? Who put the traps there? Him and his two knight brothers? Did they consecrate the ground to enable the magic seal to work? Maybe it was like The Puzzle Box explanation in Hellraiser 4...A ritual using MAGIC (because we all know magic exists; there's just sorcerer's shooting magic missiles and lightning bolts out their fingers all the time on the battlefields.... )

In other words, I don't care what the geezer said. It's total nonsense and why the movie's ending isn't much better than Crystal Skull (which wouldn't have been too crazy either if the ship just took off, but no that gateway appeared inside and sucked Cate Blanchett into hell or something first and the skulls merged into a living being (the aliens are made of crystal?) and yet how'd they get to be skeletons if they were alive? It was just stupid and also totally unnecessary when having a gateway open and actual living aliens show up to reclaim the skulls would have made more sense. They could have then set the saucer to either return on auto-pilot or self-destruct and told them to get out. At least it wouldn't have been utter nonsense of the highest order with crystal skulls turning alive and no explanation for why a gateway opened AND the ship took off. Ugh. Was Spielberg on crack when he made that movie? A monkey with a pompadour? UGH. The movie could be fixed with editing and unlike Star Wars, I think it should be (including replacing Shia La Bupkis with a real actor).

I agree. On another movie...how could there be little blue people called Smurfs? Living in mushrooms? Give me a break. Only one woman responsible for procreation and she's not the queen? Totally fake.

TazMan2000

 

[VonMagnum]

I agree. On another movie...how could there be little blue people called Smurfs? Living in mushrooms? Give me a break. Only one woman responsible for procreation and she's not the queen? Totally fake.

TazMan2000

I'm glad you at least realize the Smurfs are totally fake.....