Saw this on FB, posted two days ago. I like what they put. (highlighted in red)
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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Liberance
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Not sure what this thread is about anymore, but in an attempt to bring it back into focus, a bunch of concept art for Spielberg's original version of Indy 5 just surfaced:
These were posted by Adam Brockbank on his Instagram. Looks like the first few depict a young Indy exploring a Chinese tomb with a friend. Later ones show older Indy in Buenos Aires during a protest, possibly accompanied by Helena. The last couple show them both finding an abandoned German U-boat, and what appears to be older Indy captured by Nazi soldiers near the same U-boat, somehow, now wrecked.
I really, really hope David Koepp's original script for this movie finds its way to the internet the same way Frank Darabont's did after Indy 4 (on which, some of this images could be easily based off, since every film of this franchise has reused rejected material from the previous entries). That would be a really fascinating read.
These were posted by Adam Brockbank on his Instagram. Looks like the first few depict a young Indy exploring a Chinese tomb with a friend. Later ones show older Indy in Buenos Aires during a protest, possibly accompanied by Helena. The last couple show them both finding an abandoned German U-boat, and what appears to be older Indy captured by Nazi soldiers near the same U-boat, somehow, now wrecked.
I really, really hope David Koepp's original script for this movie finds its way to the internet the same way Frank Darabont's did after Indy 4 (on which, some of this images could be easily based off, since every film of this franchise has reused rejected material from the previous entries). That would be a really fascinating read.
Interesting looking at the 1969 crowd…they had no zombies shuffling down the street in their pajamas and slippers with bed head hair staring at their phones. The modern day slob is apparently a 21st century innovation.
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Nah, they just had different dress standards, not different slob standards.
In the 1950s-60s guys would sometimes do outdoor/garage jobs wearing buttoned shirts & knaki-type light cotton pants. It's not because they wanted to look good in the garage more than we do now. They just didn't rank those clothes as high on the presentability chart as we do. And they would find it bizarre that modern people have a "nice" Tee shirt or bluejeans or ballcap. In their time anything of that type was not really eligible for 'presentable' status.
Look at Indiana Jones. He's wearing a 1930s all-purpose work outfit. That's his version of bluejeans + T-shirt + hoodie + backpack.
I recall in the 60’s and 70’s, seeing a ton of women in their “moo-moo” nightgown type dresses, with slipper type slide shoes, grocery shopping with hair in rollers or in rollers with a babushka covering them. I’m sure women from the 1940’s and 1950’s looked at them and said the same things we say today, about them being slobs and not taking pride in their appearances.
Why, those polished ladies are “dressed up in formal wear” according to 21st century standards.
Are they headed to a gala event?
Maybe in Poland they were, but in my Ohio hometown, in the 1970’s, it was just the laziness of not wanting to get dolled up to run to the store.
Poland?
Haha
In other news, I just heard about the debacle with the soundtrack cd release. They released a limited quantity without announcing it was a limited quantity and now collectors are scrambling to buy them for hundreds of dollars, even over a thousand. That's all money that could've been Disney's that now belongs to ebay scalpers.
RaidersLight
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The Young Indy part is the one that I can't figure out what they wanted to tell there that didn't sound like something already seen before in a movie or TV series.
Solo4114
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Oh, hey, it's the Beastie Boys from Ch-Check It Out.
Liberance
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Yes, it's odd because Mangold confirmed the World War II opening was already in Spielberg's film—just shorter. So where does that leave this? I have a hard time imagining the movie having two flashbacks, especially considering how scrupulous Spielberg is when it comes to keeping the traditional structure of these films intact from one entry to the next. Seeing a teen Indy again also feels kind of redundant, which is another thing that sounds strange for a filmmaker that already felt like he was done with the series after the third film.
RaidersLight
Jr Member
The only sense is that it is a prologue to an earlier script that came to Mangold that Mangold in turn rewrote. But I would find it strange for such an old script to have concept art of such advanced detail.
Liberance
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Yeah it sure feels like that, except:
Mangold mentioned in Vanity Fair that he spoke about the World War II prologue with Harrison Ford before even being considered as a replacement director. It certainly tracks, since the Nazi gold train has been confirmed as a set that Spielberg himself supervised, and its presence in the movie is one of the oldest plot rumors, if not the oldest, regarding Indy 5. It would also explain why that sequence is so awkwardly paced, with the characters switching artifact goals halfway through it. Chances are they were originally there looking only for the Spear of Longinus, or something else entirely, and then Mangold and his team pasted the Antikythera mechanism on top of everything. But he definitely didn't bring in the train to the story.
Now, it could be that the paintings simply reflect an even earlier Spielberg/Koepp draft. One that was rewritten with Spielberg still in charge, without the World War II sequence—but folks in the comments section of Brockbank's posts are mentioning the gold train as if it was part of whatever script version that concept art comes from. In any case I don't think it's unusual to have art produced at super early stages of these studio movies.
Prop Collector
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I've watched the movie now that it's available for "free". Here are my thoughts:
-Nobody wants to see an old Indiana Jones. This was already the case when KotCS was released. I have a feeling that's partially why we got young Indy at the beginning of the film.
-On that note, nobody wants to see their heroes miserable and alone. This was also true for Han Solo (but perhaps less so for Deckard). Stop doing this to legacy characters (are there any left?).
-The action scenes were the worst part of the movie. Aside from how boring they were, they were also way too clean and sterile. Nobody gets dirty, nothing looks real.
-The sidekicks are uninteresting. I don't think the woman was "woke", but I assume the original ending, which we all know is real, had her taking up the mantle. Unibrow was forgettable. I don't even remember his name.
-Speaking of woke, they just don't make movies like they used to. Everyone is so careful to say the right thing and make sure none of the imagery can be construed as offensive. We will literally never get a monkey brains dinner equivalent ever again.
-Travelling back in time to the Roman battle was the best part of the film.
-The new ending was cute. I found it odd that the other characters were there, especially Sallah.
Overall, I think the movie got a bad rap. It didn't deserve so much negativity. That said, there is no company more deserving of a massive flop than Disney. F--- that company.
-Nobody wants to see an old Indiana Jones. This was already the case when KotCS was released. I have a feeling that's partially why we got young Indy at the beginning of the film.
-On that note, nobody wants to see their heroes miserable and alone. This was also true for Han Solo (but perhaps less so for Deckard). Stop doing this to legacy characters (are there any left?).
-The action scenes were the worst part of the movie. Aside from how boring they were, they were also way too clean and sterile. Nobody gets dirty, nothing looks real.
-The sidekicks are uninteresting. I don't think the woman was "woke", but I assume the original ending, which we all know is real, had her taking up the mantle. Unibrow was forgettable. I don't even remember his name.
-Speaking of woke, they just don't make movies like they used to. Everyone is so careful to say the right thing and make sure none of the imagery can be construed as offensive. We will literally never get a monkey brains dinner equivalent ever again.
-Travelling back in time to the Roman battle was the best part of the film.
-The new ending was cute. I found it odd that the other characters were there, especially Sallah.
Overall, I think the movie got a bad rap. It didn't deserve so much negativity. That said, there is no company more deserving of a massive flop than Disney. F--- that company.
RaidersLight
Jr Member
If the train was always there, there is no coherent way to put young Indy in that prologue or any other stage of the film. Very intriguing all around.
I thought the opening train scene was pretty good if they hadn't fogged up the look of it.
The 3-wheeler chase midway through the movie was a decent idea but the execution lacked mojo. Everybody had too much plot armor and there was no tension. Indy & Fleabag's conversation in the midst of it failed to be amusing.
My guess is, they shot the original ending (PWB replaces Indy) without knowing whether they would get away with it. KK probably demanded it and Mangold probably hated it. The test audiences (who had the deciding vote) probably threw their drinks at the screen in frustration.
Agreed.
The ending was a bit of a 'Terminator 3'. The final few minutes was surprisingly good after a long mediocre movie.
Everyone has their own tastes, and I didn't know this about myself until the last few years, but I strongly agree with this.
It doesn't have to be that way either. There are plenty of movies where we start with "And everything has been going OK for the main character since we last saw him...now lets look in on him right before a New Problem enters his life!"
Coming back to them only to see that everything has been terrible since the last time we saw them just starts the whole story off with a big feeling of let down.
robstyle
Master Member
If I had to guess to tie in the child Indy, it would be the actual opening of the film chasing or finding an item that's either taken from him or he accidentally loses in a fashion that brings us to middle aged Indy and the train chasing the same item as a personal side quest to the actual item they are there to recover, where he again would lose the side quest item in favor of saving the mission item... Then we fast-forward to old man Indy... Maybe the end of the film would have him securing that childhood item as a retirement gift from Marion.
In 38 seconds you created a more intelligible and meaningful story outline than what we got in the actual $300+ million dollar film. You good sir, win the internet for the day!
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