Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[CopperRevan]

A different view

Not really different from what we've all been saying the whole time and he's watched it and we haven't...so there is the biggest take away right there. The fact people try to break from the hard realities of life to go watch a movie to find that they get a broken down, drunk, shadow of himself Indiana Jones must be a real inspiration...especially when the new character, or God Daughter of the so-called best friend of Indy that we've never met in 4 previous films, gets to ride off in the sunset and be the new hero...

 

[joberg]

Disastrous failures? I don't buy the string of bad luck thingy You don't let a profitable franchise like Star Wars, MCU or Indy get run to the ground unless you're intentional doing it.

When politics/ideology is mixed with Art; the results are disastrous.

 

[Ron]

A different view

That shrug at the beginning haha.

 

[joberg]

It's gotten to the point where even the slightest discomfort causes everyone to bristle. Tit for tat. This is the environment that these films have created and the ensuing behavior that's come from the studio as well as audience in response. Sure there always has been, and sadly always will be a few rotten eggs in the bunch, but movies weren't so divisive years ago. To me that speaks of a culture shift. Not just in popular culture, but culture in the way we dismiss one another so easily. It's a real shame that we've all become so abrasive towards one another and I firmly hold myself to account because I know I'm not exempt from that blame.

Well, if it's what they wanted it's going to be a "Harsh Lesson Learned"...maybe we, as a Western society, have to go through the gnashing of the teeth before seeing the light

 

[Captain Dunsel]

That shrug at the beginning haha.

“Indy in this film is a miserable drunk who feels slightly more miserable than Brendan Fraser’s character in the whale…”

“…I’m never going to the re-watch this movie again; it left me in a state of indifference..”

Sounds like a resoundingly positive review to me.

 

[edge10]

Imagine that. RT found enough garbage blog critics to push the movie above 60%.

Edit: Forgive me for being a grouchy old man. It really doesn't matter.

 

[Cephus]

Was it the films that did it, or society itself that started down that path, which caused companies to follow along?

To me, the answer is that it was and is society, with the film studios just reflecting it back at all of us.

Which actually isn't defensible. If society had changed and Disney was just making movies to reflect that change, then those movies should be making money. They're not. They are failing at the box office because the movie-viewing audience is rejecting them.

 

[VanPersie]

Which actually isn't defensible. If society had changed and Disney was just making movies to reflect that change, then those movies should be making money. They're not. They are failing at the box office because the movie-viewing audience is rejecting them.

I don’t think that’s entirely true though. It’s quite possible that studios have seen the change, but have taken it on board then done a Spinal Tap and turned it up to 11, which is not appealing to many.

Having said that, without asking every single person why, it’s hard to make broad brush assumptions as to why they aren’t going to cinemas like they used to. Here in the UK the interest rate rises and inflation will have a huge impact on whether people are willing to pay the prices of cinema tickets when their food, fuel, mortgages/rent etc are more important.

 

[CopperRevan]

I don’t think that’s entirely true though. It’s quite possible that studios have seen the change, but have taken it on board then done a Spinal Tap and turned it up to 11, which is not appealing to many.

Having said that, without asking every single person why, it’s hard to make broad brush assumptions as to why they aren’t going to cinemas like they used to. Here in the UK the interest rate rises and inflation will have a huge impact on whether people are willing to pay the prices of cinema tickets when their food, fuel, mortgages/rent etc are more important.

That's a really good and valid point but if the studios know that then wouldn't the proper response be to produce something of such good quality to present to the public that they feel their hard earned money was worth the trip? If inflation is affecting the pocket books that much, which it is to some extent, and they are aware that movie studios are just pumping out as many movies as they can to make a quick buck, then of course we are going to be that much more picky as to what movies to see at the theaters. This all goes back to producing something new and fresh and non-divisive that a majority of the people will understand and it can reach their hearts. Let's face it...you buy what you like but lately, paying a ton of money to watch movies in the theater has a lower return on investment than going to your local casino these days.

 

[VanPersie]

That's a really good and valid point but if the studios know that then wouldn't the proper response be to produce something of such good quality to present to the public that they feel their hard earned money was worth the trip? If inflation is affecting the pocket books that much, which it is to some extent, and they are aware that movie studios are just pumping out as many movies as they can to make a quick buck, then of course we are going to be that much more picky as to what movies to see at the theaters. This all goes back to producing something new and fresh and non-divisive that a majority of the people will understand and it can reach their hearts. Let's face it...you buy what you like but lately, paying a ton of money to watch movies in the theater has a lower return on investment than going to your local casino these days.

Of course I agree completely, also think they should perhaps think about increasing the quality and maybe decreasing the volume of output to make it more appealing.

Unfortunately they won’t think of that, nor contemplate not trying to part people with their money with a constant barrage of products. I also think they’ve shot themselves in the foot by not offering some of their shows for download, or even physical copies.

 

[Cephus]

I don’t think that’s entirely true though. It’s quite possible that studios have seen the change, but have taken it on board then done a Spinal Tap and turned it up to 11, which is not appealing to many.

Having said that, without asking every single person why, it’s hard to make broad brush assumptions as to why they aren’t going to cinemas like they used to. Here in the UK the interest rate rises and inflation will have a huge impact on whether people are willing to pay the prices of cinema tickets when their food, fuel, mortgages/rent etc are more important.

I can't speak for the UK, but here, we have massive movies that make a billion dollars that do not push a woke agenda and we have the ones that lean into it failing to recoup their money pretty consistently. Correlation is not causation, but it seems too consistent not to mean something.

 

[blewis17]

Edit: Forgive me for being a grouchy old man. It really doesn't matter.

Indy, is that you?

 

[VanPersie]

I can't speak for the UK, but here, we have massive movies that make a billion dollars that do not push a woke agenda and we have the ones that lean into it failing to recoup their money pretty consistently. Correlation is not causation, but it seems too consistent not to mean something.

Can I ask for examples?

I’m not discounting it as a factor, but am wary of thinking it is the main reason because it fits what I see.

I genuinely do lean towards a bigger factor being that people don’t enjoy the cinema experience anymore when they know they can sit at home in a few weeks, and watch it when they want, how they want and can fit it around their day.

 

[Egon Spengler]

Nope. I refuse to see this. Not getting my cash for this mess.

 

[Cephus]

Nope. I refuse to see this. Not getting my cash for this mess.

I never had any interest, even before we knew what a mess it was. They can't make any money off of me, no matter what they do. Indy ended in 1989.

 

[Cephus]

Can I ask for examples?

I’m not discounting it as a factor, but am wary of thinking it is the main reason because it fits what I see.

I genuinely do lean towards a bigger factor being that people don’t enjoy the cinema experience anymore when they know they can sit at home in few weeks, and watch it when they want, how they want and can fit it around their day.

Pretty much anything Disney has put out in the past year.

 

[Moviefreak]

Pretty much anything Disney has put out in the past year.

We get it already. You don’t like Disney.

If there is a thread about Disney, you are one of the first in there trashing them, and one of the first ones to love throwing around the word “woke” as your reasoning. You use that word A LOT on this forum, more than anyone else here. Honestly, that word is just getting played out at this point.

 

[Kylash]

Getting a lot of use out of the ignore button in this thread

 

[VanPersie]

Pretty much anything Disney has put out in the past year.

No sorry I wasn't clear. I was asking about examples of films that make billions but you say don't push an agenda?

 

[HeartBlade]

BTW, SW can be saved, but Rey will need to be sacrificed as a villainess to do it.

I completely agree with this take. I honestly think Rey would make a great villain. She honestly fits all the tropes for one.
- determined.
- powerful to the point of overpowered.
- willing to take from others.
- immediately good at anything she does/quick to get stronger.

It’s almost basic storytelling to have the initially weak and untalented hero struggle and grow along their journey while the villain is insanely
overpowered so while you the audience “know” that the hero wins in the end, you are still enthralled by how the hero will win because the villain is so strong. Executing this well is also difficult (the villain becomes a good guy, some ex machina, or last minute superpowers really undermines the story) but Rey has the makings of a compelling villain.