How Star Wars exists for me now...

OT and PT for me. The PT I'm not crazy about, but they aren't the worst things ever. Thematically and structurally, they're sound; it's just they're flawed in all the other things that make a decent movie.

Beyond Genndy Tartokovsky's Clone Wars, and Bea Arthur singing and dancing with Greedo, everything else can burn.
 
I wouldn't say advanced but "above physical violence" Jedi are protectors, not worriers. They have the force to guide them in their duties so I like the idea of Yoda embracing that and not subjecting himself to such disruptive physical fighting. Then AOTC happened.

Sometimes protection needs violence. The lightsaber isn't a fashion statement!
 
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;)

But I also like Rogue One and Mando.
 
Very similar to the OP.

Star Wars
ESB
ROTJ
Mandalorian

I acknowledge everything else exists, but it's all EU/Fanfic to me, some better than the rest, but all subject to OT.

I had issues with ROTJ, but included it because other than the cool conclusion to Luke's arc, it taught me to be critically think about what's being presented on screen. I think if I were a few years older when I first saw it, I couldn't put it my list.

One of the things that I really dig about Mandalorian is the overall texture (for lack of a better term) of the presentation. It feels gritty like OT... Rogue One got it really close, Solo too, but fall a little short. The ST feels like it's set in the Star Trek universe.
 
For me, it's like this (in terms of the timeline:

Head-Canon version of TPM/AOTC
Clone Wars cartoon
Ep. III
Solo
Rebels cartoon
Rogue One
Ep. IV
Ep. V
Ep. VI
[This space reserved for The Mandalorian when I finally get to it]
Ep. VII
Ep. VIII
Still deciding whether to just do straight Ep. IX or a head-canon version that stretches events out over something like 2-4 more films

On the whole, though, I've enjoyed all the new stuff. I still dislike the PT mostly, but I've enjoyed the Clone Wars cartoon and that's had a halo effect for me on ROTS, to the point where I've just kinda invented my own version of the stuff that leads up to the fall of the Republic (more or less).

I'm sincerely hoping that, in the post-Skywalker era (although I hope we see Rey again), Star Wars can really explore other things besides re-telling the OT with a slightly new gloss to it.


One thing I do want to say, though, as an afterthought, is that I totally understand the perspective of people who absolutely cannot stand the ST, and want it scrubbed from their brains. Do whatever you need to do to continue enjoying what you enjoy. If that means just acting like the ST doesn't exist, hey, cool, you do you. I mean, I acknowledge that Highlander 2 exists (in several weird forms), but I don't consider it a sequel to Highlander. In my mind, there are no sequels to Highlander. And there's also that weird fan film that came out in 2008 and somehow managed to convince Harrison Ford to put on a hat and pretend to be Indiana Jones, but in my mind, the Last Crusade was the last crusade. >shrug<

My head-canon versions of the PT are super awesome and I enjoy them. I don't need to rewatch the films for that.

I think folks have to enjoy franchises on their own terms, and the great part about a resurrected Star Wars is that you can do just that. You don't have to accept the new films. You can ignore them. You can ignore the old films, too. It doesn't matter. It's bigger than all that, and it's up to you what you want to enjoy and what you want to set aside. But whatever you do, don't do what I did in the late 2000s and spend your energy hating on something a franchise did. Just....dump it and move on. Enjoy what you enjoy, and ignore the rest.
 
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One thing I do want to say, though, as an afterthought, is that I totally understand the perspective of people who absolutely cannot stand the ST, and want it scrubbed from their brains. Do whatever you need to do to continue enjoying what you enjoy. If that means just acting like the ST doesn't exist, hey, cool, you do you. I mean, I acknowledge that Highlander 2 exists (in several weird forms), but I don't consider it a sequel to Highlander. In my mind, there are no sequels to Highlander. And there's also that weird fan film that came out in 2008 and somehow managed to convince Harrison Ford to put on a hat and pretend to be Indiana Jones, but in my mind, the Last Crusade was the last crusade. >shrug<

My head-canon versions of the PT are super awesome and I enjoy them. I don't need to rewatch the films for that.

I think folks have to enjoy franchises on their own terms, and the great part about a resurrected Star Wars is that you can do just that. You don't have to accept the new films. You can ignore them. You can ignore the old films, too. It doesn't matter. It's bigger than all that, and it's up to you what you want to enjoy and what you want to set aside. But whatever you do, don't do what I did in the late 2000s and spend your energy hating on something a franchise did. Just....dump it and move on. Enjoy what you enjoy, and ignore the rest.

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Well, FWIW, I'll admit I'll be one of the dopes that enjoyed them all. Saw Rise/Skywalker last night and WOW!
For me at least, there is no need for anyone to apologize or feel defensive regarding their opinion on any of these movies (let alone anything that is purported to be for entertainment). Movies, music and art are, at their core, an expression of and an attempt to elicit emotions and thought. In the end that makes the discussion of all of this very personal and undeniably subjective. I merely posted my personal opinion on what Star Wars is for me now and hoped to create a place for others to voice there opinion in a similar manner.

No one can destroy my childhood (although I wasn't a child when Star Wars opened) because it is solely mine as are my thoughts, feelings and memories... I may choose to share those with others but ultimately I am responsible for them and hold them dear as they are who I am.
 
Nah, not apologizing or defensive. I do the self deprecating thing quite a bit. Since I don't post here too often. No one should know and get it. I should have thought of that. Just wanna make clear I'm not trying to talk down the guys that didn't like whichever film they didn't like.
I totally get that watching a movie is a subjective thing. I could love a film and the person sitting next to me could hate it. It's all cool.
 
I LOVE ROTJ and I don't care what anyone says.

I have always loved Return of the Jedi too. I always have. I was spoiled and got to see it 3 times on opening day back in ‘83. It made quite an impression with the crowd being quite rowdy, an excitement in the audience that I can only liken to being at a massive concert for your favorite band, before it begins like during soundcheck, the anticipatory pins and needles, every sensation heightened by a fully armed and operational adrenal gland... people were screaming and shouting (in a good way), when it began, just after the 20th Century Fox distribution reel ends, some guy jumped up on his seat in the center of the theater and in the pitch black room as blue text appeared on screen, unable or unwilling to contain his excitement any longer, he yelled out at the top of his lungs:

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the audience roared approvingly but was overcome by the abrupt orchestral blast as the Theme to Star Wars erupted from the speakers...

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I am sure you are getting some kind of picture of what the rest of the movie experience was like. It left quite an impression on me to say the least.

I swear, until I started reading the boards here on theRPF, I never realized anyone hated the ewoks, from a story believability perspective, to the merchandising scheme aspect (George forced his products onto himself and his own movie franchise and placed them in character roles), to the extreme primitive culture doing what the far advanced culture cannot in regards to defeating the Empire... I just always thought everyone felt the same way I did.

I remember after the OT, people complained about Hamill not being a good actor.
Then when the PT came out, Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, and Lucas took the brunt and I never heard a word about Hamill’s acting ever again.
Then the ST came out and I haven’t heard a peep about Jar-Jar or Little Ani, and everyone begging Lucas to use the time machine he developed at ILM and go back before the ST was made and keep STAR WARS the very same perfect STAR WARS we always had and loved before the Sequel Trilogy ruined it!



I am loving the Mandalorian. The show has been handled respectfully, and has not broken rule #1 I have imposed over SW during these Disney-owned years: don’t stress out about giving me some new ground breaking tech, story, or character; everything is already there, on cruise control. JUST DON’T SUCK*!

*By “just don’t suck” I mean, don’t change anything now or going forward that will change what came before, or don’t take those characteristics of a character that are so central to the identity of that character that it defines to the audience who that character is and then just throw it in the toilet, or if either of these do happen have a very good reason** for doing so.

**By “very good reason” I don’t mean switching a characteristic to its polar opposite because you the writer like to switch the defining characteristics of characters to their polar opposites.


The Mandalorian to me feels very much like old Star Wars and also like something new. I love the attention to detail, the blasters, the AT-ST, the use of known species, fantastic casting with Clancy, Burr, Gina, Carl Weathers, Taika, Nolte, and especially that weird-ass Werner Herzog.

And of course, the child, Baby Yoda. Who ever did the design on that little guy deserves a raise!
 
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I have always loved Return of the Jedi too. I always have. ...

I swear, until I started reading the boards here on theRPF, I never realized anyone hated the ewoks, from a story believability perspective, to the merchandising scheme aspect (George forced his products onto himself and his own movie franchise and placed them in character roles), to the extreme primitive culture doing what the far advanced culture cannot in regards to defeating the Empire... I just always thought everyone felt the same way I did.

Don't you let anyone tell you that ROTJ isn't great, lol. I feel the same way as you. ROTJ was actually the first SW movie I saw in a theater, and as a 6-year-old I liked it just fine and have never developed the distaste for it some have, despite its flaws.

The story ended here with me:

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I still think the ROTJ thing is the age of the person who saw it. I was only 6 so I loved the movie. Yeah the Ewoks are a little goofy as you get older, but my only complaint is still the small number of Rebel fighters. I always thought they should have had a lot more in that battle. I'm surprised they didn't add that in the SE version instead of the stupid Jabba song!
 
I LOVE ROTJ and I don't care what anyone says.

I have always loved Return of the Jedi too. I always have. I was spoiled and got to see it 3 times on opening day back in ‘83. It made quite an impression with the crowd being quite rowdy, an excitement in the audience that I can only liken to being at a massive concert for your favorite band, before it begins like during soundcheck, the anticipatory pins and needles, every sensation heightened by a fully armed and operational adrenal gland... people were screaming and shouting (in a good way), when it began, just after the 20th Century Fox distribution reel ends, some guy jumped up on his seat in the center of the theater and in the pitch black room as blue text appeared on screen, unable or unwilling to contain his excitement any longer, he yelled out at the top of his lungs:

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the audience roared approvingly but was overcome by the abrupt orchestral blast as the Theme to Star Wars erupted from the speakers...

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I am sure you are getting some kind of picture of what the rest of the movie experience was like. It left quite an impression on me to say the least.

I swear, until I started reading the boards here on theRPF, I never realized anyone hated the ewoks, from a story believability perspective, to the merchandising scheme aspect (George forced his products onto himself and his own movie franchise and placed them in character roles), to the extreme primitive culture doing what the far advanced culture cannot in regards to defeating the Empire... I just always thought everyone felt the same way I did.

I remember after the OT, people complained about Hamill not being a good actor.
Then when the PT came out, Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, and Lucas took the brunt and I never heard a word about Hamill’s acting ever again.
Then the ST came out and I haven’t heard a peep about Jar-Jar or Little Ani, and everyone begging Lucas to use the time machine he developed at ILM and go back before the ST was made and keep STAR WARS the very same perfect STAR WARS we always had and loved before the Sequel Trilogy ruined it!



I am loving the Mandalorian. The show has been handled respectfully, and has not broken rule #1 I have imposed over SW during these Disney-owned years: don’t stress out about giving me some new ground breaking tech, story, or character; everything is already there, on cruise control. JUST DON’T SUCK*!

*By “just don’t suck” I mean, don’t change anything now or going forward that will change what came before, or don’t take those characteristics of a character that are so central to the identity of that character that it defines to the audience who that character is and then just throw it in the toilet, or if either of these do happen have a very good reason** for doing so.

**By “very good reason” I don’t mean switching a characteristic to its polar opposite because you the writer like to switch the defining characteristics of characters to their polar opposites.


The Mandalorian to me feels very much like old Star Wars and also like something new. I love the attention to detail, the blasters, the AT-ST, the use of known species, fantastic casting with Clancy, Burr, Gina, Carl Weathers, Taika, Nolte, and especially that weird-ass Werner Herzog.

And of course, the child, Baby Yoda. Who ever did the design on that little guy deserves a raise!

Don't you let anyone tell you that ROTJ isn't great, lol. I feel the same way as you. ROTJ was actually the first SW movie I saw in a theater, and as a 6-year-old I liked it just fine and have never developed the distaste for it some have, despite its flaws.

The story ended here with me:

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I still think the ROTJ thing is the age of the person who saw it. I was only 6 so I loved the movie. Yeah the Ewoks are a little goofy as you get older, but my only complaint is still the small number of Rebel fighters. I always thought they should have had a lot more in that battle. I'm surprised they didn't add that in the SE version instead of the stupid Jabba song!

Mini Murderbear solidarity. :D:p
 
Ewoks never bothered me not only because I was a kid when I saw ROTJ but also because they’re highly effective, underestimated, and on their native turf. If Ewoks had taken down a battalion in an urban setting then sure I could gripe about it, but their victory does make some sense.
 
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