That's possible. But it also could be a ghetto-fabulous factory job.
In the 1990s lots of cars/trucks sprouted cupholders in strange places, for example.
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That's possible. But it also could be a ghetto-fabulous factory job.
In the 1990s lots of cars/trucks sprouted cupholders in strange places, for example.
my 350z has the lamest popout cup holder. Hasn't broke yet but wow is that thing fragile.
HeartBlade
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I think the idea that Anakin is the best duelist comes from stunt coordinator Nick Gillard who organized the skills of the various characters into tiers although it has been inconsistent between interviews.
In 2011, there are 9 tiers with tier 8 was reserved for Yoda, Windu, and Sidious. The other great swordsmen are tier 7 and Anakin is above them at tier 9.
In 2005, this is changed to Yoda, Sidious, and Anakin on tier 9, Windu is between 8 and 9, and other great swordsmen are 8.
Nick Gillard's tiering was George Lucas', but here are links to posts discussing the tiering
I. Gillard's Tiering is ValidHoming Beacon #126, Dec 22, 2004:How does one quantify fighting prowess, and does such a quantity have any practical valu
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The intention is Anakin is very skilled and arguably has the potential to be the definitive best duelist and force user in Star Wars due to being the one and tapping into the darkside but its not always guaranteed that a higher tier beats a lower tier due to external circumstances.
Anakin was still a padawan and reckless when facing Dooku who is one of the most skilled duelists so losing makes sense and he beats him in ep 3 (showing that Anakin has improved).
In terms of losing to Obi Wan, I believe the idea was since Obi Wan trained and was by Anakin's side the longest, he knows Anakin's moves and fighting style the best. Even then, most of the fight was Obi Wan defending and getting pushed and it isnt until Anakin tries to beat Obi Wan with his own move (jumping like Obi Wan did to take down Maul) that Anakin loses.
Although, the article's time references were more than difficult to follow, I totally see the curve in skill and, for some, the graph. But, I still think that the defining factor for all was their ability to stay calm or at least focused. Anakin loses to Obi not due to a lack of skill but the inability to keep his anger or frustration out of the fight and Obi Wan knows it to be true and even points it out to Anakin.....often.I think the idea that Anakin is the best duelist comes from stunt coordinator Nick Gillard who organized the skills of the various characters into tiers although it has been inconsistent between interviews.
In 2011, there are 9 tiers with tier 8 was reserved for Yoda, Windu, and Sidious. The other great swordsmen are tier 7 and Anakin is above them at tier 9.
In 2005, this is changed to Yoda, Sidious, and Anakin on tier 9, Windu is between 8 and 9, and other great swordsmen are 8.
Nick Gillard's tiering was George Lucas', but here are links to posts discussing the tiering
I. Gillard's Tiering is ValidHoming Beacon #126, Dec 22, 2004:How does one quantify fighting prowess, and does such a quantity have any practical valu
The intention is Anakin is very skilled and arguably has the potential to be the definitive best duelist and force user in Star Wars due to being the one and tapping into the darkside but its not always guaranteed that a higher tier beats a lower tier due to external circumstances.
Anakin was still a padawan and reckless when facing Dooku who is one of the most skilled duelists so losing makes sense and he beats him in ep 3 (showing that Anakin has improved).
In terms of losing to Obi Wan, I believe the idea was since Obi Wan trained and was by Anakin's side the longest, he knows Anakin's moves and fighting style the best. Even then, most of the fight was Obi Wan defending and getting pushed and it isnt until Anakin tries to beat Obi Wan with his own move (jumping like Obi Wan did to take down Maul) that Anakin loses.
HeartBlade
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Great point. I think the message Gillard and Lucas were trying to convey with their "tier" allocation was just that if measured on even footing and based completely on skill; Anakin, Yoda, Sidious, and maybe Windu are best duelists and Anakin may be even better than the other 3 due to his innate talent.
However, fight outcomes are not purely based on skill. Luck, environment, mindset, knowledge, and skill matchups are also factors in a fight. In terms of skill, Anakin may be one of the best but in other aspects, especially mindset, Anakin has alot of growing to do and its this critical aspect that holds him back.
A running theme in the prequels is that Anakin is too idealistic, impatient, and arrogant. Episode 1 shows Anakin having a very idealistic idea of the jedi, thinking they are invincible. Anakin also has a good heart, wanting to free the other slaves (deleted scene) and promising to come back to his mom after he gains enough strength as a jedi. Being a jedi is not a goal but a means for Anakin to right the wrongs of the galaxy.
It then leads to Anakin being frustrated in episode 2. Frustrated is that his strength is not growing "fast enough" and recklessly concludes that Obi Wan is holding him back due to jealousy. There are some other red flags but Anakin is too idealistic in wanting to become strong enough to even prevent people from dying, something that is absurd to an adult. Shimi dying only heightens that fear and reinforces that belief in his own weakness.
Then, we get episode 3. Anakin is clearly talented and has progressed insanely fast to become the youngest member of the council and possibly youngest jedi master (which is even more amazing given the fact that he also started "too late.") Yet he is still frustrated with how "slow" his progress is and seeks to find a way to save Padme from dying (which only occurs due to a prophetic dream) which is what leads him to trust Palpatine and go to the dark side.
CB2001
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Am I the only one that feels that the Andor TV series doesn’t fit as a Star Wars story? I’m not saying it’s a bad show, but it doesn’t feel like it’s a Star Wars story to me, and honestly feels like it would have worked better outside of the franchise instead of in the Star Wars universe.
sparkmatter
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This may be because I'm someone who watches things 60% for the art/design and 40% for the plot but it felt very star warsy to me, the rigidity of the empire's tailoring and the colors and the scrappiness of the rebel tech and the amount of vintage milsurp and tupperware parts were extremely faithful to the OT stylistically. It's definitely a different energy and lacks lightsabers but I feel like maybe that's the strength of it? The plot could stand alone but it's emotionally more powerful because we watch it knowing how rogue one ends/the OT begins
CB2001
Master Member
But the thing is that Rogue One felt like it fit in Star Wars to me, while Andor doesn’t event feel like it fits with Rogue One or Star Wars despite involving characters and being set in the same universe. Maybe it’s just me.
Remember before Ahsoka came out that Lucasfilm made a big deal about consulting with Timothy Zahn to get Thrawn right? Well apparently they're big fat liars. They talked to make sure his book meshed with the show, but nothing about the character. They don't need to, but it obviously would have helped make the character behave like the character. Not what we got.
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