Fight Club Tyler Durden T-shirts?
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daywalkerxian
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That's odd that they don't have the files for the Aero and Sunset, because when I purchased the Aero back in 2002, they looked the file up for me. They must have lost it.
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Allen is going to try to adjust mine to get rid of the contouring. Hopefully he can.
They are from the same screen used file as AJ's.
Iamjwpc
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Hey AJ, if you're going to the exhibit, can you also take a look at the mayhem jacket? If you look at the white pads on top of the shoulders, the screen used pads look like they go all the way to the shoulder seam on the back side, but the JAL version stops about and inch before the seam. Check it out
Screen used jacket on the left, JAL version on the right
Screen used jacket on the left, JAL version on the right
AJRand
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Yes I am going today again. Will try and get pictures. I will look at the stitching more closely on the red jacket. As for the mayhem jacket,
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As for the Mayhem jacket, are you sure that one you circled wasn't just unfinished? The JAL should be the exact same pattern Mayhem too.
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Haha I just realized I am the one that took the picture with the circle. I know that Mayhem jacket at JALS was odd. It had marks all over it like black line marker marks. I also took a picture of the same jacket in black.
But yes I will look at the screen version today again.
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As for the Mayhem jacket, are you sure that one you circled wasn't just unfinished? The JAL should be the exact same pattern Mayhem too.
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Haha I just realized I am the one that took the picture with the circle. I know that Mayhem jacket at JALS was odd. It had marks all over it like black line marker marks. I also took a picture of the same jacket in black.
But yes I will look at the screen version today again.
Iamjwpc
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And if you compare the two photos in the middle, the white shoulder pads on the screen use jacket cut outwards across the back of the jacket towards the shoulders at more of an angle, and w the JAL version of the jacket, the pads lineup a little more vertical at the shoulders.
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The thickness and red space between the white arm stripes are definitely different as well.
Shpongled
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Nice pics of the original Mayhem. That clarifies something I had been wondering about the shoulder pads, which was, why did the ribbing/padding go all the way to the edges (or nearly all the way) on the original but not on all versions of JAL's. Well, I know that it's different because of measurements and everyone has different measurements. For example, on mine, the ribbing is closer to the collar because of my measurements, and there is no room for them to go further out because of that. But as for the fact that they don't line up (the front and back pieces of the shoulder pads) on the JALs I had always assumed it was to accommodate the shoulder gussets. The original shown here in your pic has shoulder gussets as well, though I imagine the JAL reproduction allows for more mobility. You can also notice in the film that the shoulder bunches up on the shoulder when the arm is lifted. Anyway, the reason the ribbing doesn't go all the way to the edge of the shoulder on the new JALs is because of that ~1 inch shorter back piece of the shoulder. So the reason the original DOES go to all the way to the edge is because the shoulder pieces are flush. Cool.
See this picture:
See on his right shoulder (our left) that it makes kind of a triangle because it is bunched up. I think this is because a) the padding is closer to the arms and possibly b) the shoulders are connected as they appear in your image, rather than how the modern JAL version is. The JAL I have doesn't bunch up like that in as much of an extreme way.
Anyway, this is just speculation based on my intense scrutiny of my own jacket and comparing it to the original. In fact, I got to a point where I told myself I would stop comparing it because it's not perfect. My measurements aren't Brad Pitt's and so some things will never be the same about it. As far as I could tell previous to this image, the jacket is identical in pattern and cut, however this is an interesting observation. The next thing to do would be to ask Jonathan himself. I'll see if I can ask him.
Another interesting thing that these pictures reveal is that the stripes are a little different. I imagine the stripes were not part of the original pattern. They were probably added on afterwards so getting them exactly the same wasn't possible unless Jonathan remembered exactly how they looked. I don't think he started offering these reproductions until years after his work on the film so I imagine he just used pictures to get it how it is. Nobody has ever mentioned this before on any site I have been on so I think for the most part, nobody noticed.
And yet another difference, which is interesting, is the fact that the padding is significantly less bulbous on the original in these pictures. They are flatter. The JAL has actual padding in it and it's very rounded and pronounced. I actually loved that about it and it's one of the main reasons I picked JAL's because most other Mayhem's don't have that much definition to the ribbing. The fact that the padding is more pronounced actually makes the jacket hang on your arms wider. It's less like a straight 90 degree angle down the arm like on Pitt's and it's more rounded looking. I have considered laying something on the jacket for a while to flatten the padding more to achieve that straight angle, which I think looks really good, however I am conflicted on if I want to do that because I don't want to flatten the padding too much since I love how pronounced it is. I wonder if the Mayhem was distressed in certain ways as well. It doesn't look as beat up as the main jacket, but perhaps it was flattened some to lay differently. The one in your pics here looks fairly aged but that could also be the quality of the photos. It seems that JAL's patterns are correct but to get the same look some use/distressing is needed. I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's the same with this jacket.
Can I ask where these pictures are from?
See this picture:
See on his right shoulder (our left) that it makes kind of a triangle because it is bunched up. I think this is because a) the padding is closer to the arms and possibly b) the shoulders are connected as they appear in your image, rather than how the modern JAL version is. The JAL I have doesn't bunch up like that in as much of an extreme way.
Anyway, this is just speculation based on my intense scrutiny of my own jacket and comparing it to the original. In fact, I got to a point where I told myself I would stop comparing it because it's not perfect. My measurements aren't Brad Pitt's and so some things will never be the same about it. As far as I could tell previous to this image, the jacket is identical in pattern and cut, however this is an interesting observation. The next thing to do would be to ask Jonathan himself. I'll see if I can ask him.
Another interesting thing that these pictures reveal is that the stripes are a little different. I imagine the stripes were not part of the original pattern. They were probably added on afterwards so getting them exactly the same wasn't possible unless Jonathan remembered exactly how they looked. I don't think he started offering these reproductions until years after his work on the film so I imagine he just used pictures to get it how it is. Nobody has ever mentioned this before on any site I have been on so I think for the most part, nobody noticed.
And yet another difference, which is interesting, is the fact that the padding is significantly less bulbous on the original in these pictures. They are flatter. The JAL has actual padding in it and it's very rounded and pronounced. I actually loved that about it and it's one of the main reasons I picked JAL's because most other Mayhem's don't have that much definition to the ribbing. The fact that the padding is more pronounced actually makes the jacket hang on your arms wider. It's less like a straight 90 degree angle down the arm like on Pitt's and it's more rounded looking. I have considered laying something on the jacket for a while to flatten the padding more to achieve that straight angle, which I think looks really good, however I am conflicted on if I want to do that because I don't want to flatten the padding too much since I love how pronounced it is. I wonder if the Mayhem was distressed in certain ways as well. It doesn't look as beat up as the main jacket, but perhaps it was flattened some to lay differently. The one in your pics here looks fairly aged but that could also be the quality of the photos. It seems that JAL's patterns are correct but to get the same look some use/distressing is needed. I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's the same with this jacket.
Can I ask where these pictures are from?
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Danman
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So as far as everyone is concerned and according to what the Jal site states, the jackets were taken from the original pattern used for the film. So does that mean that the people who requested to have bigger collars then what the stock jackets were offering, requested to have Jal stray away from the actual screen used pattern. It's crazy that if Jal states that every jacket is made from the original pattern and is identical to the film jacket ( except for measurements and tailoring which were done for Brad pitt ) that people would request to have the collar made bigger so it can match the look of the film jacket's collar, which was washed and stretched and distressed to hell. Lol crazy
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What color would you describe the newsprint jeans AJ? They don't look white, are they gray? cream? off-white? Are they actually denim jean material? The print doesn't look like a solid black either. Is it a faded gray?
Shpongled
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I'm personally curious about the distressing on the Mayhem jacket. It looks like (based on the pictures of it when it has been traveling with the exhibit) that over time it's gotten more "aged." It looks pretty bright and newish in the film. The film filters are deceiving though. Anyway, curious if there's any painting/dirt/grime on it, and also curious on how the leather is in terms of being beaten up.
Thanks for your help AJ, we all appreciate it.
Thanks for your help AJ, we all appreciate it.
AJRand
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Standing right now in front of it. The pants are probably more biege or off white. Like a very dirty white. Closer to creme. Compared to the toucan it is definitely more brown. And compared to the white stripes it in the mayhem it looks more off white. It almost has like yellow in it. Like a really old white sheet of paper.
It is definitely not denim. It is a cotton material. You can even see the little bumps in it
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Keep the questions coming I am right here. Will be here a while.
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