Defining the OWK tunisia saber. Is it even possible?
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Mouse Vader
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Just to make my position clear - I have no opinion on this 
If you play with the colors and brightness on this photo, I believe you can make out the windvane fins. Here is an adjusted one I saved, but take the original one page back and just mess with it. It seemed easier to see while I was sliding the brightness and color variables around.
Ridire Firean
Sr Member
Hey thd9791 ! I think what your seeing was pointed out by Anakin Starkiller ! way back on Page 1, and that it's at least in part one of the flat ended Hale's Grenades...
I'll postulate that the little dark spot inside the windvane in this photo...
...is actually the cotterpin stuck in place where the retaining bolt holes are.
As for why it looks so nasty... two part epoxy to hold it on covered in black paint? Or easier yet, nasty old Cosmoline? Burnt jet fuel?
I wasn't talking about the grenade's shoulder, the condition of the frag cubes, the weight, or anything like that, I was mostly talking about the grenade neck's attachment to the emitter, and a little of the windvane/body scratches
For some reason I feel like the wrong things have caught people's attention, and we haven't touched on the big parts of the photo I was looking to discuss. I'm sorry if I've been confusing We don't have to, I can tap out here.
For some reason I feel like the wrong things have caught people's attention, and we haven't touched on the big parts of the photo I was looking to discuss. I'm sorry if I've been confusing We don't have to, I can tap out here.
Ridire Firean
Sr Member
No confusion buddy, I get what you're seeing.
I consider the neck to be the entire windvane brass section that runs between the Balance Pipe/Emitter and the Grenade Frag Body/Grip. I was including the photos of the Flat Sided Hale's to show that the "neck" of it, especially the long bevel on the wider/pommel side of the windvane and skinny section that goes towards the grenade body, looks just like the "neck" in the Tunisia photos in agreement to what Anakin Starkiller thought about it.
You had said that it looked like the Grenade was inverted with the neck jammed in it, but we know that you can invert and screw either end of most Hale's Grenades onto the "neck" section. We also have here in the Flat Sided Hale's a grenade that readily fits the bill and explains why that part looks different to you. And where, I think that you think you're seeing perhaps a one-piece cast section that includes the BP/Neck/ and maybe the Grenade, that I'm seeing a real BP epoxied or otherwise gooped onto the Neck, and that some of that goop got onto the outide of the Windvane Ring, and that the "neck" is that of a Flat Sided Hale's screwed into a real Hale's Grenade (Flat Sided or Beveled but inverted) that has either some cleaner/less rusty/more reflective/polished cube faces or some chunks out of those cubes that are catching the bright Tunisian sunshine and presenting us with a flare of reflected sunlight just like what we see coming off of the BP, the GRAFLEX Clamp, the Booster edges/dings, and the bright and shiny AS Handwheel.
The reason I included the weight as a major factor in proving this thing isn't a resin casting is that a resin cast would be incapable of pulling his belt down so quickly as to be the way it's shown drooping in 99% of all the movie footage and production stills.
I want you to continue to discuss and postulate what you think the goop is in the BP where it meets the Flat Sided Hale's neck. I'm hoping you'll start to mix epoxies and rubbers and tar and cosmolilne and goop of all sorts to try and mimic whatever they used on it to secure the BP onto the neck of the Tunisian Obi-Wan.
I also want, and hope that I've presented the case sufficiently to you, to convince you that this is an ALL REAL PARTS OBI-WAN LIGHTSABER, and I certainly don't want you to "tap out" before I, or anyone else, have been able to do so.
So is it shadow, or is it goop?
I consider the neck to be the entire windvane brass section that runs between the Balance Pipe/Emitter and the Grenade Frag Body/Grip. I was including the photos of the Flat Sided Hale's to show that the "neck" of it, especially the long bevel on the wider/pommel side of the windvane and skinny section that goes towards the grenade body, looks just like the "neck" in the Tunisia photos in agreement to what Anakin Starkiller thought about it.
You had said that it looked like the Grenade was inverted with the neck jammed in it, but we know that you can invert and screw either end of most Hale's Grenades onto the "neck" section. We also have here in the Flat Sided Hale's a grenade that readily fits the bill and explains why that part looks different to you. And where, I think that you think you're seeing perhaps a one-piece cast section that includes the BP/Neck/ and maybe the Grenade, that I'm seeing a real BP epoxied or otherwise gooped onto the Neck, and that some of that goop got onto the outide of the Windvane Ring, and that the "neck" is that of a Flat Sided Hale's screwed into a real Hale's Grenade (Flat Sided or Beveled but inverted) that has either some cleaner/less rusty/more reflective/polished cube faces or some chunks out of those cubes that are catching the bright Tunisian sunshine and presenting us with a flare of reflected sunlight just like what we see coming off of the BP, the GRAFLEX Clamp, the Booster edges/dings, and the bright and shiny AS Handwheel.
The reason I included the weight as a major factor in proving this thing isn't a resin casting is that a resin cast would be incapable of pulling his belt down so quickly as to be the way it's shown drooping in 99% of all the movie footage and production stills.
I want you to continue to discuss and postulate what you think the goop is in the BP where it meets the Flat Sided Hale's neck. I'm hoping you'll start to mix epoxies and rubbers and tar and cosmolilne and goop of all sorts to try and mimic whatever they used on it to secure the BP onto the neck of the Tunisian Obi-Wan.
I also want, and hope that I've presented the case sufficiently to you, to convince you that this is an ALL REAL PARTS OBI-WAN LIGHTSABER, and I certainly don't want you to "tap out" before I, or anyone else, have been able to do so.
So is it shadow, or is it goop?
agree'd, you can also see that its light reflection on the frag section now.. possibly from the reflect tape on the clamp, or if no tape the clamp itself
we had this light problem with the holiday special saber
you can see the light reflection is generally all in the same area
Mouse Vader
Sr Member
Had a real close up look at that photo & the whole front end looks normal found parts to me. It's very blurry pic to be sure. If I zoom in real close to the grenade top even that looks beveled but it is lying right next to a fold in his rob which is also a similar tone & shade thus disguising it.
So should it now be referred to as the ball banger, or nut cracker saber?
Tom this is from Disney plus? If so do you have the time stamps? See if I can capture it in 4k I don’t ever remember seeing this at all
It is! I'm on the wrong laptop now, give me an hour or two and I should deliver. Thank you so much!
Also, ball banger certainly fits. I was mortified to see how fast Alec stopped. Could totally have been stage direction, but amusedly I prefer this explanation... it does swing wildly
Also, ball banger certainly fits. I was mortified to see how fast Alec stopped. Could totally have been stage direction, but amusedly I prefer this explanation... it does swing wildly
chazzychaz
Sr Member
I was under the impression the elstree studios used their own prop guys?
chazzychaz
Sr Member
Love this clip, but how do we know the stage prop was the same Tunisia prop?
Yes they did... while in England. But I’m not quite understanding the context of your question?
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