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Because the question, like most of the ones you guys have been asking is leading to a preconceived conclusion that you want us to reach. Since we don't agree with your assumption that it is correct and you won't entertain any deviation in your opinions we don't bother.
 
Passive aggressive sanctimony aside, it's very interesting to see everyone has avoided answering Mooneye's point. Just why is it ok to support one unlicensed maker and vilify another?

Wondertwin powers activate, form of *****. The only vilifiying going on is from your crew.
 
Because the question, like most of the ones you guys have been asking is leading to a preconceived conclusion that you want us to reach. Since we don't agree with your assumption that it is correct and you won't entertain any deviation in your opinions we don't bother.

Seems like you just summed up a double bind.
 
So why do you keep commenting? You are free to leave as well, are you that tied to the sonic screw driver that all other things in life drop away?

I guess I am free to leave but if I have something to say I'll say it. I certainly would not stop commenting just because you told me to. I suppose we could go on all day like this but that would be pointless :rolleyes
 
I guess I am free to leave but if I have something to say I'll say it. I certainly would not stop commenting just because you told me to. I suppose we could go on all day like this but that would be pointless :rolleyes

It is pointless, so why do you continue? What is your agenda in regards to this thread exactly? I'm curious.
 
I wasn't aware I had an agenda. I could ask you the same question.

You must have an agenda, you keep posting and trolling..I am just curious why? What vested interest do you have in this. So you are just posting to post? come on.. you know thats not the case.
 
You must have an agenda, you keep posting and trolling..I am just curious why? What vested interest do you have in this. So you are just posting to post? come on.. you know thats not the case.

Posting, yes. Trolling? Hardly. I just don't understand why that would bother you.
 
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Let's not forget that these images have been edited. But you can see underneath the grey lines what the original work looked like and the prongs are short like CT's. It's just the added overlay of grey lines that make them look longer now.

Again, it's not about CT vs any other maker. The QMx sonic looks fantastic, it's just the ongoing no show that produces the negativity, and again it's only three weeks until teh New Year and we've heard nothing since June.

Rassilon made a kit for the 4th Doc sonic, that was OK, all his own work, no problem. Kudos. But it's clear to anyone who has a CT sonic or two, that the design presented here was blatantly and very clearly his sonic rather than the prop replica, Aztec or otherwise. The very best thing Rassilon could do was to say, "yeah, I copied CT's design based on pictures and dimensions members sent me, but I won't be using them in the finished product". That would have been fine example of a stand up man.

He has already said pretty much the first half of that sentence in a recent thread where he admits no research himself, but using images from members here....



So, he blames us members for sending him the wrong images. Fine, let's move along. It happens. The back peddling and deleting of posts would not have been needed if this was admitted in the first place. Maybe a new thread is needed and this project started from scratch. The conduct, ducking and diving and snarky comments is something people need to weigh up for themselves seperately. As I said, Caveat Emptor.

This design is completely different from how the final part looks and no matter how many times it is reposted is irrelevant. Compare the actual kit part that there are plenty of pictures of or don't waist everyones time. It is obvious the kit part is not even close to this.
 
Here is what I posted, very simple theory.

I guess I am a bit cynical but I honestly believe the attacks will continue before the project is complete (they always have). I think the entire goal is to derail the thread so the kit does not cut into CT sales (whatever the issue of the day might be is incidental) but maybe I am wrong. I guess we will see.

If you look at this thread and go back through the others you will see this list of names


  • jedibugs
  • LeAngeSolitaire
  • Asp9mm
  • mooneye63
That contribute little and take any good Sonic Screwdriver thread and try to put so much garbage and bull**** in that you can not follow the content. I will say again, go away, you are not wanted in this thread. We would like to have one thread without your garbage polluting it.


If you choose to look at it that way, then no one is stopping you. I just happen to think that pointing you in the direction of the proof is preferable to copying and pasting a profanity laden piece from a banned member which would be a pretty good way of getting banned, don't you think? Whether it's over there or over here is not really relevant as long as it exists and is accessible to whoever wants to read it. By the same token if you choose not to read it, you cannot say the claims are without merit because it is not spoon fed to you here.

If the evidence is over there, go ***** about it over there. It has no relevance to current members of this board unless the "proof" is over here. From what I have seen so far the only argument is on an early sketch (that has apparently been edited so we can only see the version that does not match the CT???) that looks completely different from the machined parts I am seeing. If that is BEST piece of evidence then it is not worth anyones time to go over there. You posted pictures of two parts that look nothing alike other than that they screw on (which is the way I would have done if I was not going for as close to screen accurate as I could get). This is proof of recasting???? Recasting is measuring someones part or dropping it in rubber and copying it. I am not making up what I am seeing, it is obvious that is not what is happening here.

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Rassalon1
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Anikin Starkiller is seeing the same thing that I am, that you work does not match the CT at all. How about you ignore all of this crap (The goal is not actually to prove anything you can defend, it is just to try to wreck the thread) and focus on finishing your Sonic and posting updates and photos. The photos speak for themselves and some of us are enjoying the project. Let the rest of us squeegee the **** off the pavement so no one steps in it. :lol
 
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I'm just thankful CT doesn't make classic sonics, tardis keys or anything like else there'd be mines laid in those parts of the playground too.
 
Here is what I posted, very simple theory.



If you look at this thread and go back through the others you will see this list of names


  • jedibugs
  • LeAngeSolitaire
  • Asp9mm
  • mooneye63
That contribute little and take any good Sonic Screwdriver thread and try to put so much garbage and bull**** in that you can not follow the content. I will say again, go away, you are not wanted in this thread. We would like to have one thread without your garbage polluting it.




If the evidence is over there, go ***** about it over there. It has no relevance to current members of this board unless the "proof" is over here. From what I have seen so far the only argument is on an early sketch (that has apparently been edited so we can only see the version that does not match the CT???) that looks completely different from the machined parts I am seeing. If that is BEST piece of evidence then it is not worth anyones time to go over there. You posted pictures of two parts that look nothing alike other than that they screw on (which is the way I would have done if I was not going for as close to screen accurate as I could get). This is proof of recasting???? Recasting is measuring someones part or dropping it in rubber and copying it. I am not making up what I am seeing, it is obvious that is not what is happening here.

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Rassalon1
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Anikin Starkiller is seeing the same thing that I am, that you work does not match the CT at all. How about you ignore all of this crap (The goal is not actually to prove anything you can defend, it is just to try to wreck the thread) and focus on finishing your Sonic and posting updates and photos. The photos speak for themselves and some of us are enjoying the project. Let the rest of us squeegee the **** off the pavement so no one steps in it. :lol

Phez, you should actually READ my post that contains those two pictures. I wasn't comparing the pieces at all... I was asking the question of, if he hasn't been looking at a CT Sonic, how did he know about the smaller threading on that specific part? It hasn't been discussed or shown up until now, yet he criticized it. Like on last week's episode of the Office, when Dwight tried to frame Jim for putting a porcupine in his desk, but answered when asked what her name was...
Maybe not JUST like that, but I think you get the point. It's the kind of evidence that put someone away on Columbo every week.

Further, I truly resent your accusation that I "contribute little," and imply that I am here just to discredit anyone that dares compete with CT. I'm not a pawn... Yeah, I like the guy, but I have nothing to gain from sabotaging anyone. I haven't been asked to intervene here or anywhere else. In fact, the only other time I can remember speaking out against another Sonic was when we were all being lied to about the color of the Sonic by Neill Gorton. I have expressed a doubt that the QMx will ever see the light of day, but that's only because of their track record. I like and respect Kenney and don't believe I ever spoke out against him. Hell, I'm even buying a QMx Farnsworth, so clearly I have nothing against them, either.

I know you and CT don't get along... but I always defended you because I've always thought of you as helpful and nice.

But let's get this clear right up front: Rassilon's actions are CLEARLY sketchy. Whether or not he's lifted measurements from the CT line of Sonics (and my doubt on that is having a beachside piña colada with the Dodo), his actions in response to the allegation do more than enough to warrant a look!

Let's play devil's advocate, choose-your-own-adventure style:
You (Phez), have developed a Sonic kit from your own hard work and research of publicly available pics of the prop. Suddenly, someone claims that you have stolen dims and build methodologies from THEIR version of the same prop!
Do you:
a) Show your work
Or
b) Say "pshaw!" and begin belittling anyone who has concerns about whether the allegations may be true, change your blueprints and edit any post prior to the allegation so that the original plans are not available to critique

Now, operating under the ASSUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, which of the above courses of action would you expect a person to take? Which would YOU take, in the same circumstance?

Of course, the burden of proof is on the accuser. And he has provided his proof. But no one has responded. Here's an analogy:

PROSECUTOR: Your honor, the prosecution would like to enter into State's evidence the following: The Murder Weapon covered in the defendant's prints, A voice mail recording of the defendant threatening the life of the deceased, video tape that shows the defendant at the scene of the crime within minutes of the murder and the defendant's shirt, covered in the blood of the deceased.

DEFENDANT: Dude, the prosecutor is Chinese! If he was paying attention at Chinese lawyer school, he would know that... (reads entire excerpt from a law book on an unrelated topic).

DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Your honor, I move to have all charges dropped. My client is clearly innocent... I mean, I haven't looked at the evidence against him because it's WAAAYYYY on the other side of the room. I would maybe consider it if someone came and put it all directly on my desk, but if they can't do that, then it must not exist. Therefore: INNOCENT!

Maybe it's just me, but I think that dude's going to get the chair!

I know you hate CT. I'll be honest; I've read his blog... You have every reason to hate him. But that's no reason to cast such a blind eye to Rassilon's sketchy behavior. Innocence in this matter is easily proven. The allegations have NOT been responded to. I think it's SUPER-COMMENDABLE that someone should attempt to produce an inexpensive kit of this prop... I would really love to see one available from anyone with the wherewithal to produce one. But not if they're stealing someone else's hard work.

And I have one last point: there seems to be some confusion over the "Tells" referred to. Let me clear that up:
CT does NOT claim 100% accuracy on his sonic. His measurements were extrapolated from the Eccleston sonic, as he was under the impression that the two versions were more alike than they are. He later got ahold of a screen-used Tennant sonic and realized that he was wrong. The "Tells" he refers to are the INACCURACIES in his Tennant Sonic that are (or were) present in Rassilon's plans.

And, yeah, you're right that the actual, physical, produced pieces do not match CT's work. But they were made after the allegation. Just because Bill Clinton was monogamous to his wife after he was accused doesn't mean he wasn't messing around with Monica Lewinsky before he got caught.



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This is just getting silly. And for the record, I won't be buying ANYBODY'S Sonic Screwdrivers. I'm a builder not a buyer. So the only horse I have in this race is the continued well being of our collective hobby.

I went over and looked at this supposedly damning evidence. I also took the time to look at the original drawings posted by the OP. Yes, I have copies of them. ;)

Let's have a look, shall we?


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1) The shallow lens cap recess - The original was much deeper.

Apparently CT's isn't? Really? Who knows this? Not I, or anyone else who doesn't own a CT sonic.

That is hardly the point though. The OP has already stated an exact purpose for his bore depth. It is intended to accommodate a found item. This was stated prior to the witch hunt.

Point #1= NON-ISSUE

2) The bisected strut - This is a feature that CT pointed out

Well that's cool. My hat is off to him for pointing out this key feature of the prop. That however doesn't give him right to lay claim to the feature as it EXISTS ON THE ACTUAL PIECE. Not to mention that the struts on my CO are pretty well bisected too.

Point #2= NON-ISSUE

3) The screw in ball coupler - Again, this is not an idea I am claiming sole ownership over, moreover I am claiming ownership over how it is executed. The cylindrical nature of the coupler finishing in a circular seam on the lower inside of the emitter head recess is something I first pointed out here on this blog and backed up with photographic proof that was NOT available online.

OK, I'm not even bothering to trim this one down. The point is negated by the man's own description. Just because you found the feature, you don't get to claim exclusive rights to reproduce it.

Again though, my hat is off to CT for his exemplary detective work.

Point #3= NON-ISSUE

4) The cylindrical LED holder - Again this was something that is unique to my build and gained through my access to the prop. This was never seen on any publicly available photo and was argued about until I provided an enhanced pic that showed the seam in the upper part of the head recess.


Two points. One, only a moron hard wires a light bulb when there is a more efficient method. The LED holder IS the more efficient method. And two, I refer you to point #3

Point #4= NON-ISSUE

5) Solid Anodized black bulb

:rolleyes We don't get to make exclusive claims about material choices. Particularly if that choice is a) more readily available to the manufacturer and b) an improvement to the product.

Point #5= NON-ISSUE


6) The angle of the end tip


Again, I'm not very familiar with the CT product. From the pictures in this thread though, he clearly is NOT duplicating that feature in the finished product. To give CT the benefit of the doubt though, I will say this: That end bulb in general is something of a bear to get right. If I were having trouble reproducing it, and somebody who claimed to have measured the real deal advertised it's dimensions, I may just have taken advantage of their guidance myself.

Point #6= NON-ISSUE

7) The slider plate - "I made mine deliberately rectangular ..."

Am I the only person here who always believed that the slider on the prop WAS rectangular?!?!?! Seriously, CT with his insider knowledge my know better, but every pic I've ever seen or measured had a rectangular slider.

Point #7= NON-ISSUE

8) Overall dimensions - Apparently, a great many mistakes and alterations made by CT have shown up on Rassilon1's prints.

I cannot speak to this as I have never measured CT's product. I do see outright boo-boos on those original Rassilon1 prints though. Lord I hope CT's expensive toy isn't that far off. :/

I can say this though. Rassilon1 has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that his sonic is a constantly evolving work in progress. So far NOTHING he has produced has been according to the offending machine drawings. I have no reason to believe that any future parts will escape this system of continual refinement.

So, until we see the final piece,
Point #8= NON-ISSUE


That makes 8 for 8 for those who are counting. Probably why the Mods haven't stepped in yet, yeah?
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DID Rassilon1 mine CT's sonic for info? Maybe. I don't know, and neither do you. But even if he did, at this point, all he would be guilty of is drawing a frigging PICTURE.

So knock off the crap and watch the man's build thread...or don't, but until something is ACTUALLY recast you're doing nothing but trolling.
 
One more thing, Phez:
No one who suspects Rassilon of recasting has made any personal attacks against him or any of his defenders. Yet we're called trolls and are labeled as people who "contribute little."

There's no room for personal attacks here. Even when I disagree with someone on this forum, I have the decency to address them with respect. I don't call people names or belittle them. I criticize the actions of people, not the people themselves. It's an important distinction. I hope you'll keep that in mind in the future.


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