Custom Tennant Sonic Build

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Your right, they can, and anyone can look at the comparison pics and tell the difference between those end caps. You guys are playing to your crowd and that is it.

I don't agree. I can see that two of the caps are more similar to each other than they are to the third. If it was only that one similarity I don't think anyone will argue. The issue is that there are 7 other similarities that CT listed. I don't always agree with the guy but in this case I think he has a genuine beef. A few Pages back you said something I totally agreed with, that was to see the finished product. Rassilon should change his design to make it closer, as you said, to the prop and less like the CT. Wise words which would go along way to calming the situation, don't you agree?

I am impartial

But are you? We all know you don't like CT and he doesn't like you. Unless you're totally not human, that automatically changes how you view anything he writes irrespective of merit. Would you feel the same way if it was someone like Rylo making these accusations?

 

[phez]

I don't agree. I can see that two of the caps are more similar to each other than they are to the third.

I think I misspoke on my comment, anyone who has studied that part enough to make it can see major differences between the Rassalon1 and the CT and the rassalon1 looks closer to the Aztec than it does the CT. From looking at the pic's the CT is stubby and rounded (very distinct) and the Rassalon1 is longer with straighter angles.

If it was only that one similarity I don't think anyone will argue. The issue is that there are 7 other similarities that CT listed.

I do not read the guys website so I am looking at the information posted here (which is where it should be if the claims are being made here).

A few Pages back you said something I totally agreed with, that was to see the finished product. Rassilon should change his design to make it closer, as you said, to the prop and less like the CT. Wise words which would go along way to calming the situation, don't you agree?

Let me revisit my words on this for clarity :rolleyes, I did not then and still do not think it looks like a CT. I think he should keep studying reference and tweaking until it looks correct to him.

There have been no pieces made or sold and no final design locked in. So if the design has been changed from the alleged recast concerns this topic is moot isn't it?

For ****** sakes:

1. Take another look at the end cap from the actual prop and make it accurate.
2. Take another look at the slider plate from the actual prop and make it accurate.
3. If the size of something does not match the real one make it accurate.

We all know you don't like CT and he doesn't like you.

You are mistaken, I do not take internet battles serious enough to actually dislike someone. As I stated in an earlier post I think both of these guys are skilled engineers. I do however get pissed off when the actions of an individual (or group) spoils the opportunity to learn and exchange ideas with other builders and collectors (especially people who work on the shows). This board is about those interactions and trashing someones thread without even giving them a chance to complete a prototype is not fair. Others are following this thread and are interested in the process. This thread (like the others) was fun until all of the accusations and attacks started.

How about doing just like you said in your post, wait until we see the final prototype before trashing anymore of the thread. Rassalon1 seems to take suggestions from people and make tweaks and post new images. It seems we are on the same page with that no? Lets see where it ends up, my bet is nothing like a CT but we will see.

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

I do not read the guys website so I am looking at the information posted here.

Maybe you should as he's the one pointing the finger and he has set his stall out pretty convincingly in my view.

Let me revisit my words on this for clarity :rolleyes, I did not then and still do not think it looks like a CT. I think he should keep studying reference and tweaking until it looks correct to him.

My sentiments entirely.

You are mistaken, I do not take internet battles serious enough to actually dislike someone. I do however get pissed off when the actions of an individual (or group) spoils the opportunity to learn and exchange ideas with other builders and collectors (especially people who work on the shows).

But you do let that irritation affect how you view the words of the person you deem responsible for that irritation. It must do or you wouldn't be human. You'll be a Vulcan.

How about doing just like you said in your post, wait until we see the final prototype before trashing anymore of the thread. It seems we are on the same page with that no?

Totally. But I do think Rassilon1 should stop behaving like a naughty child who has been caught doing something he shouldn't. It doesn't do him any favours.

 

[phez]

Maybe you should as he's the one pointing the finger and he has set his stall out pretty convincingly in my view.

Alright, you can't say this guy is guilty but I don't have my proof on me it's over there :lol.

Totally. But I do think Rassilon1 should stop behaving like a naughty child who has been caught doing something he shouldn't.

The guy seemed well mannered before people started accusing him of recasting so my guess is that if it stops until he can show his final piece the thread will become productive again.


I guess I am a bit cynical but I honestly believe the attacks will continue before the project is complete (they always have). I think the entire goal is to derail the thread so the kit does not cut into CT sales (whatever the issue of the day might be is incidental) but maybe I am wrong. I guess we will see.

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Alright, you can't say this guy is guilty but I don't have my proof on me it's over there :lol.

If you choose to look at it that way, then no one is stopping you. I just happen to think that pointing you in the direction of the proof is preferable to copying and pasting a profanity laden piece from a banned member which would be a pretty good way of getting banned, don't you think? Whether it's over there or over here is not really relevant as long as it exists and is accessible to whoever wants to read it. By the same token if you choose not to read it, you cannot say the claims are without merit because it is not spoon fed to you here.

The guy seemed well mannered before people started accusing him of recasting so my guess is that if it stops until he can show his final piece the thread will become productive again.


I guess I am a bit cynical but I honestly believe the attacks will continue before the project is complete (they always have). I think the entire goal is to derail the thread so the kit does not cut into CT sales (whatever the issue of the day might be is incidental) but maybe I am wrong. I guess we will see.

So why did he edit his posts, change his design and avoid all questions regarding the striking similarities and start giving Asp9mm abuse by PM? CT is not currently selling any sonics so your cynicism has no basis. He has publicly said he doesn't care about this build so long as it is not copied from his and any similarities that were are changed. That to me seems perfectly reasonable.

 

[Asp9mm]

Let's not forget that these images have been edited. But you can see underneath the grey lines what the original work looked like and the prongs are short like CT's. It's just the added overlay of grey lines that make them look longer now.

Again, it's not about CT vs any other maker. The QMx sonic looks fantastic, it's just the ongoing no show that produces the negativity, and again it's only three weeks until teh New Year and we've heard nothing since June.

Rassilon made a kit for the 4th Doc sonic, that was OK, all his own work, no problem. Kudos. But it's clear to anyone who has a CT sonic or two, that the design presented here was blatantly and very clearly his sonic rather than the prop replica, Aztec or otherwise. The very best thing Rassilon could do was to say, "yeah, I copied CT's design based on pictures and dimensions members sent me, but I won't be using them in the finished product". That would have been fine example of a stand up man.

He has already said pretty much the first half of that sentence in a recent thread where he admits no research himself, but using images from members here....

Q. By going back to the questions regarding the dimensions of your sonic mirroring that of another persons work?
A. I simply used screen grabs that were supplied to me by other members.

So, he blames us members for sending him the wrong images. Fine, let's move along. It happens. The back peddling and deleting of posts would not have been needed if this was admitted in the first place. Maybe a new thread is needed and this project started from scratch. The conduct, ducking and diving and snarky comments is something people need to weigh up for themselves seperately. As I said, Caveat Emptor.

 

[jedibugs]

So, something occurred to me as I was reading through the new posts... I think Rassilon1 may have confirmed the accusations against him. In his condescending post on the nature of threading (you know, the one where he cut and pasted full paragraphs of text from an engineering site and tried to pass them off as his own words), he gave his accuser the following advice.

You don’t use fine threads in Aluminium, as they will strip out under load and not only that they will cross thread all so easily, so you would never use such a thread on a Aluminium sonic screwdriver of any season.

Now clean the wax out of your hairy ears this is very important Bull Dog, we are going to talk about threads.

Now, while quite a bit has been made of the previously-exclusive-to-The-Dragon threaded construction method finding its way into Rassilon's designs, no one ever mentioned thread size. Neither here nor on the Dragon blog. In fact, it was all focused on the emitter (not transmitter, by the way) head and the ball bit below it--which use the larger threading described in the quote above.
In that same post, to illustrate his point, he posted the pic of his bulb end, seen below. Now, I have attached that and a picture of the same part from my Celestial Toystore Sonic Screwdriver. It is the ONLY part of the Sonic that uses the smaller threading. It also has not had a picture posted of it in the course of this argument... So what prompted Rassilon to criticize it? No one mentioned smaller threading, or even threading on that part in general (the shape of the bulb? Yes. Threading? Not at all). More importantly, how did he even KNOW about the smaller threading on that one, unseen piece?
I can only think of a single time I've ever seen a picture of it unscrewed from the body, and that was in my review thread of my CT Sonic, which was clearly labeled as a review of the CELESTIAL TOYSTORE Sonic Screwdriver.
Due to my limited knowledge of all the intricacies of the prop, I was unwilling to say for a fact that Rassilon had copied the designs of The Dragon... But between this, the editing of old posts, the refusal to respond to specific allegations and the plagiarization of the engineering website, I can no longer suspend my disbelief.

You can go ahead and put my on your naughty list (unless you meant for it to be "nutty," then put me on that one, too).



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[LeAngeSolitaire]

No doubt Rassilon1 or the minority who think he's not a recaster will say that this is just coincidental and logical engineering whatnot. But this section was again unique to the CT wasn't it? the MFX and the prop was push fit and held in with a grub screw. There is no reason to use threads here.

 

[mooneye63]

CT isn't or hasn't tried to stop anyone else making a 9/10 Dr Sonic as previously suggested, that is just ridicules, what he has done, & continues to do, is call someone out when they makeup facts, or as in this case take credit for work done by him.

Look back at past threads & links. Neill Gorton was called out for lying about the colour & die cast heads etc, Kenny over his china reference & inaccurate claims, amongst other things, about paint, measurements, the actual prop, & now Rassilon for copywriting measurement & design aspects that are CT's.

As for which site Rassilon was banned, why don't you ask him & see if he answers that question? We now all know Rassilon was asked by Rouge Scout to cease over Romana Sonic, so you can see why people are not convinced in his deflection of answers & photos etc that he hasn't examined CT's work & done the same here.

Hmm, still silence from members re my last post as to why some here now think its OK to want to buy an unlicensed Rassilon rather than from the current license holders? For those with short memories, remember this was the argument venomously leveled at CT when he put product on the market. So, anyone gonna be brave enough & explain the change? I'm interested.

 

[Rassilon]

There is really no point in me telling you how I went about making these parts in the CNC, or anything,

 

[mooneye63]

Ah very interesting about the threads there Jedibugs. Very good point indeed!

 

[Rassilon]

Yes very.

 

[mooneye63]

There is really no point in me telling you how I went about making these parts in the CNC, or anything,

As it will only be taken over by the following,

jedibugs
LeAngeSolitaire
Asp9mm
mooneye63
Anikin Starkiller
and Bull Dog alias (CT) forum members.

Oh that's my Nutty list I posted it to soon.

No there is tell us & others who are interested. This is part of the problem. You don't answer question after you said you'd be happy to do so.

 

[Rassilon]

I am doing my best, it's just you have so many.

Jetibugs has asked me some and I have answered them.

 

[mooneye63]

I am doing my best, it's just you have so many.

Jetibugs has asked me some and I have answered them.

Great, lookforward to the rest... Especially the one about post edits.

 

[Rassilon]

Oh can I answer them tomorrow as it is getting close to midnight
as well I have been on the CNC all day making more sonic parts.
And play time is over for me, very tiered, :sleep can we talk about this latter.
Is that OK :thumbsup


Oh That was one of Jedibugs questions, and I have answered that one.
That one is really chewing you guys up hey.

 

[los lobos 26]

Rassilon1 great job so far. I know I am new so I don't know what all this arguments are all about I would just say that each person is entitled to its his or hers own replica project. I admire that you are putting the time and effort to making it more realistic and worth your own time. My question for you is....will you be selling a kit or the final product?

 

[greatwazoo42]

I don't know what all this arguments are all about

Territorial pissings mostly. Someone marked a particular set of props as his territory and has a robust group of supporters to keep anyone else from invading. You know, the old quote of Ghengis Kahn's that they used in the 1982 Conan film: "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you..." etc.

The Catch22 is said person claims his sonic is dead on screen accurate (with a series of hidden tells so he knows if he's being copied which would make it inaccurate by deviation). By making that assertion anyone that tries to make a decent one can be accused of copying. If that doesn't work (like trying to do a custom interpretation to avoid that mine in the field) then there are other tactics like you've seen employed here including claims of theft of concept like using threaded parts instead of velcro or whale snot.

In the end it's just a toy based on something we all saw and liked on TV. All the bullying, badgering, posturing and threatening is just narcissistic nonsense. I've been sitting back and hoping that the entire crowd would just kick back and relax but, sadly, there seem to be those that take great pleasure in being hurtful to others instead of just enjoying what they can have or what they can do.

 

[karstva]

Territorial pissings mostly. Someone marked a particular set of props as his territory and has a robust group of supporters to keep anyone else from invading. You know, the old quote of Ghengis Kahn's that they used in the 1982 Conan film: "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you..." etc.

The Catch22 is said person claims his sonic is dead on screen accurate (with a series of hidden tells so he knows if he's being copied which would make it inaccurate by deviation). By making that assertion anyone that tries to make a decent one can be accused of copying. If that doesn't work (like trying to do a custom interpretation to avoid that mine in the field) then there are other tactics like you've seen employed here including claims of theft of concept like using threaded parts instead of velcro or whale snot.

In the end it's just a toy based on something we all saw and liked on TV. All the bullying, badgering, posturing and threatening is just narcissistic nonsense. I've been sitting back and hoping that the entire crowd would just kick back and relax but, sadly, there seem to be those that take great pleasure in being hurtful to others instead of just enjoying what they can have or what they can do.

Its unfortunate but this is true. 3 threads now, all new series sonic related, it seems no one can post anything in regards to this without becoming a target. Well meaning individuals posting with good intent to share something with the prop community are tagged for elimination by a select few of individuals whose agenda I don't quite understand. Lets berate, troll and bash the competitors until they leave? I'm sorry but I thought this was a family forum. At the end of the day, does it really matter that the screw thread XYZ on P axis is sublimated to the WTF??? Nope, not really. Oh wait, I get it you are protecting us from ourselves..ahhh...well thanks but no thanks. Oh what was that you say? The lip of the head of the emitter is .01mm off so its totally inaccurate or wait, its accurate but its copied and you will burn in prop hell for buying it or even showing an interest in it. Well thanks but I'll make my own choices on whom I buy from and my conscience will be clear.

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Territorial pissings mostly. Someone marked a particular set of props as his territory and has a robust group of supporters to keep anyone else from invading. You know, the old quote of Ghengis Kahn's that they used in the 1982 Conan film: "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you..." etc.

The Catch22 is said person claims his sonic is dead on screen accurate (with a series of hidden tells so he knows if he's being copied which would make it inaccurate by deviation). By making that assertion anyone that tries to make a decent one can be accused of copying. If that doesn't work (like trying to do a custom interpretation to avoid that mine in the field) then there are other tactics like you've seen employed here including claims of theft of concept like using threaded parts instead of velcro or whale snot.

In the end it's just a toy based on something we all saw and liked on TV. All the bullying, badgering, posturing and threatening is just narcissistic nonsense. I've been sitting back and hoping that the entire crowd would just kick back and relax but, sadly, there seem to be those that take great pleasure in being hurtful to others instead of just enjoying what they can have or what they can do.

Passive aggressive sanctimony aside, it's very interesting to see everyone has avoided answering Mooneye's point. Just why is it ok to support one unlicensed maker and vilify another?

Its unfortunate but this is true. 3 threads now, all new series sonic related, it seems no one can post anything in regards to this without becoming a target. Well meaning individuals posting with good intent to share something with the prop community are tagged for elimination by a select few of individuals whose agenda I don't quite understand. Lets berate, troll and bash the competitors until they leave? I'm sorry but I thought this was a family forum. At the end of the day, does it really matter that the screw thread XYZ on P axis is sublimated to the WTF??? Nope, not really. Oh wait, I get it you are protecting us from ourselves..ahhh...well thanks but no thanks. Oh what was that you say? The lip of the head of the emitter is .01mm off so its totally inaccurate or wait, its accurate but its copied and you will burn in prop hell for buying it or even showing an interest in it. Well thanks but I'll make my own choices on whom I buy from and my conscience will be clear.

I don't think that's fair either. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that if the OP told the truth from the start or admitted that his build was based on a CT which it blatantly is, all would be fine. Changing the build is going in the right direction but I think an admission and an apology would calm the waters immensely. You sure can buy from whomever you want but it seems that most will buy from the cheapest source conveniently forgetting their principles if it means getting a bargain.