Avengers: Endgame (Post-release)

[dascoyne]

That would be great! I tried that suggestion but she said Black Widow is badass and can show more cleavage lol. I didn’t argue

I’m with Captain Reynolds. She wins.

But as long as we’re talking about cleavage let’s not forget about The Scarlet Witch.

 

[Kylash]

I wonder if everyone who was snapped back thought that the Thanos they were fighting at the end was the same Thanos... obviously there wasnt exactly time to catch everyone up on the fact that this is past Thanos, not that it matters, but I could see some of them being like "It's been 5 years and hes still here, and howd you get the gems from him?"

That also makes me wonder how world government was working for 5 years after half of everyone was gone... did the Avengers kinda take over since they knew the most about what happened? It seemed clear that most civilians knew about who Thanos was and what he did, so clearly the Avengers somehow had some kind of breakdown of what happened to the world.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I agree on it being a prequel...

Unless something happens in another major film, that changes her fate as a globally accepted/canon action... thats shes 'alive again'..

Then I'm not sure HOW it could be anything but (a prequel)?

So Cap returns the Soul Stone and she stays dead? Raw deal, man...

I hope they dont do anything with Falcon.. (bad enough he got the shield)

Hate to break the old news to you, but...

 

[Solos blaster]

*slowly raises hand

My girlfriend said I would make a good Cap for Halloween so I started with the shield or what’s left of it lol

Nice!

If you plan on making more than one, I’m in

 

[Treadwell]

I haven't seen a suitable explanation as to why Old Steve was sitting on the bench, rather than returning to the platform

Because he didn't time-travel back to the present. He LIVED his way back to the present.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Because he didn't time-travel back to the present. He LIVED his way back to the present.

I get he lived a full life in the alternate timeline he split off, and I get he waited until the un-Snapture or traveled back in time from some future point to it, but everything they established in the film indicates that one needs the platform to return to that timeline from whatever alternates they are traveling from. Since going back to Peggy and living out a lifetime wasn't the sequence of events recorded in the history of the main timeline, he couldn't just "wait to catch up with the present", he had to actively jump quantum universes, the way past-Nebula and past-Thanos did. Ergo, platform.

So the only thing that makes sense to me is that he did make use of one of the platforms, but when he knew it was a moment when no one was around to see him arrive. Then made himself scarce until after his past self left.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I wonder something... When he traveled back, did he leave himself on ice? Harsh thing to do to yourself, man...

 

[patrickivan]

Wow, I genuinely feel sad for you. You have never been moved by a work of fiction, a piece of music, a work of art? How tragic. And you "rarely" are moved by life? I'm stunned. I'm not saying you have to feel something for Endgame, but to say you "don't get choked up or cry for movies. That's what real life is for (though rarely)" shows you either have no ability to empathize, no ability to be moved by someone else's experiences, even something that someone else has created. Or you're just "too cool" to admit you have feelings, bottling up your emotions because you're afraid of what people will think of you, or what you might think of yourself. Also, your comments are incredibly insensitive and dismissive of other people, people that actually can feel empathy. Here's a tip, tough guy: opening yourself up to feeling something for someone else can help you understand your own life and emotions, and can help you understand what other people go through. Maybe you've never experienced the loss of a loved one, or had a relationship that failed for some reason, so you really can't identify with these themes in movies or books or plays or music. If you truly have no empathy, I feel sorry for you.

You have reached many disingenuous conclusions based on very little information.

You have also managed to contradict yourself, by making several insulting statements, while absolving yourself by claiming to be empathetic.

I don't cry during a fictitious movie, and you feel the need to mock and ridicule. It's an interesting point of view you have, revealing far more about yourself, than I did about myself.

Again. Life has more than enough sorrow to shed tears over. A fictitious movie does not qualify for me.

But I suppose per your own words, if that makes me: "too cool", a "tough guy", then your feeling sorry for me is a passive aggressive way of condemnation, not sympathy.

dascoyne suggested that it was impossible not to get choked up. I responded directly to THAT about how I don't cry over movies. In no part of my response did I state that his emotions were invalid, or irrelevant.

Again, it's a movie. I don't cry over movies. If you feel so moved by such things, If a movie makes you tear up and cry uncontrollably, If you feel so moved that you can't stop thinking about a scene, I will not mock you for that.

But you will mock others based on one statement. YOU will take it upon yourself to judge a persons entire psyche based on one statement.

To be clear. You don't feel sorry for me. If you did, you wouldn't have written what you did. People who feel sorry for others, don't do that. Their approach is to try to understand that person. You talk about validation, yet you try to invalidate my point that I made that movies aren't something that I cry over. I didn't state no one else shouldn't. You say I lack empathy? The first sentence I wrote was that it was NICE that cap got to live his life. I didn't say: that was stupid, or dascoyne is a big cry baby.

Now do I feel sorry for you, or even anger? Not a chance in hell. People like you are just amusing little distractions that I'll forget about when I select the post reply key.

 

[firesprite]

So Cap returns the Soul Stone and she stays dead? Raw deal, man...

This isn't really well explained, but my impression is that the sacrifice is the price of obtaining and USING the stone... The stone was used. Nat's sacrifice was the price. MAYBE if it hadn't been used, it might be a different story, but I don't know.

 

[patrickivan]

*slowly raises hand

My girlfriend said I would make a good Cap for Halloween so I started with the shield or what’s left of it lol

That's a bold statement! Do you have the ass for it?!!

 

[xl97]

So Cap returns the Soul Stone and she stays dead? Raw deal, man...


Hate to break the old news to you, but...

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Oh I know the D+ streaming series was coming.. I guess I meant Falcon as Cap..


You think hes going to have the shield in this series?

 

[Sundowner]

That's a bold statement! Do you have the ass for it?!!

Haha! That was the joke that prompted the suggestion. I could feel her looking at me during that scene. I train in Olympic lifting so I definitely have squat butt going on. It’s a gift and a curse

Also YouTube has certain (bootleg) scenes if you need prop references

 

[cboath]

Watched the film again yesterday, but this time there was only a dozen or so people in the cinema rather than packed out like when I saw it at the weekend. Because it was quieter I did notice that a lot of the 'hero' moments in the film (e.g. Cap gets the hammer) definitely have a couple of seconds built in specifically for the audience to cheer! I think for those moments of that level of excitement, it's definitely worth watching in a packed showing to appreciate the full impact.

While there are lots of other questions to be asked, one thing I am pondering now is that since the stones are gone from the main timeline, what impact will this have on Dr Strange's abilities to protect the universe now that the Time Stone is gone?

I also noticed that other than Scarlet Witch's line to Thanos, no one seemed to have anything to say about missing Vision... poor guy.

It's not gone the way they describe time travel in the movie. Least I don't think it is.

Cap returns the stone to the ancient one who puts it back in the eye and Strange uses the eye. You can say different timeline and what not, but they say in Dr Strange that they can go to different dimensions, i believe, so it can be accessed that way as well. It'll probably be the point of the next Dr Strange movie in part - getting the eye back with the stone.

 

[dascoyne]

I didn't say: that was stupid, or dascoyne is a big cry baby.

Hey. Hey. I'm standing right here.

... getting a little self-conscious from the inference. I'm storming off to write some harsh words in my journal.

 

[Lightning]

I get he lived a full life in the alternate timeline he split off, and I get he waited until the un-Snapture or traveled back in time from some future point to it, but everything they established in the film indicates that one needs the platform to return to that timeline from whatever alternates they are traveling from. Since going back to Peggy and living out a lifetime wasn't the sequence of events recorded in the history of the main timeline, he couldn't just "wait to catch up with the present", he had to actively jump quantum universes, the way past-Nebula and past-Thanos did. Ergo, platform.

So the directors said that Steve lived in an alternate timeline and jumped back over at the end. But the Screenwriters disagree (Fandango interview) and they say that without an infinity stone, he travels back to the original timeline and he was there the whole time behind the scenes in all the movies we've watched (the theory I've been supporting).

 

[George]

I saw it for the third time on Thursday with my brother and noticed the scales (pattern) on Cap's shirt.Cool nod to the suit from the comics and I dig it.Too bad they don't use the wings on his helmet;DC Flash had them in the tv series,so how (unrealistically) bad could they be? Personal preference though.

 

[Maverick313]

You have reached many disingenuous conclusions based on very little information.

You have also managed to contradict yourself, by making several insulting statements, while absolving yourself by claiming to be empathetic.

I don't cry during a fictitious movie, and you feel the need to mock and ridicule. It's an interesting point of view you have, revealing far more about yourself, than I did about myself.

Again. Life has more than enough sorrow to shed tears over. A fictitious movie does not qualify for me.

But I suppose per your own words, if that makes me: "too cool", a "tough guy", then your feeling sorry for me is a passive aggressive way of condemnation, not sympathy.

dascoyne suggested that it was impossible not to get choked up. I responded directly to THAT about how I don't cry over movies. In no part of my response did I state that his emotions were invalid, or irrelevant.

Again, it's a movie. I don't cry over movies. If you feel so moved by such things, If a movie makes you tear up and cry uncontrollably, If you feel so moved that you can't stop thinking about a scene, I will not mock you for that.

But you will mock others based on one statement. YOU will take it upon yourself to judge a persons entire psyche based on one statement.

To be clear. You don't feel sorry for me. If you did, you wouldn't have written what you did. People who feel sorry for others, don't do that. Their approach is to try to understand that person. You talk about validation, yet you try to invalidate my point that I made that movies aren't something that I cry over. I didn't state no one else shouldn't. You say I lack empathy? The first sentence I wrote was that it was NICE that cap got to live his life. I didn't say: that was stupid, or dascoyne is a big cry baby.

Now do I feel sorry for you, or even anger? Not a chance in hell. People like you are just amusing little distractions that I'll forget about when I select the post reply key.

HaHa you sound like an emotional person. Look at the effort you put in to that reply just so you could forget.

 

[Gimpdiggity]

So Cap returns the Soul Stone and she stays dead? Raw deal, man...

That’s why I think she’s probably back...Red Skull put it very bluntly, a soul for a soul...and I feel that works the same if you’re putting the stone back.

This isn't really well explained, but my impression is that the sacrifice is the price of obtaining and USING the stone... The stone was used. Nat's sacrifice was the price. MAYBE if it hadn't been used, it might be a different story, but I don't know.

So if you’re thinking that’s the price for using the stone, instead of just taking the stone, does it require a price each time it’s used?

Personally I feel that if the sacrifice is for the use of the stone, then it’s a one time use type of deal...one sacrifice for one use...but to me that’s contradicted by the fact that Thanos used it twice when he had it.

I guess for me I just really don’t want a prequel. I feel that they are rarely very good. Just my opinion, though.

 

[Gimpdiggity]

So the directors said that Steve lived in an alternate timeline and jumped back over at the end. But the Screenwriters disagree (Fandango interview) and they say that without an infinity stone, he travels back to the original timeline and he was there the whole time behind the scenes in all the movies we've watched (the theory I've been supporting).

That’s interesting that even the creators are disagreeing.

The way The Ancient One spoke she did make it seem that alternate timelines were only formed when a stone was removed, but Banner’s explanations seemed to imply that any deviated choice effectively created an alternate timeline.

I wonder if it’ll never really get addressed again in universe, and it will be up to individual fans to determine which version of events they believe.

 

[robn1]

The way The Ancient One spoke she did make it seem that alternate timelines were only formed when a stone was removed, but Banner’s explanations seemed to imply that any deviated choice effectively created an alternate timeline.

I figure all the split time lines reconverge once all the stones are returned. So Cap lived out his life with Peggy in the same time line he left from, and simply sat down on the bench at the time he left.

 

[CB2001]

I figure all the split time lines reconverge once all the stones are returned. So Cap lived out his life with Peggy in the same time line he left from, and simply sat down on the bench at the time he left.

With the exception of Loki taking the Tesseract after being captured, there wasn't much deviation of the timeline that I noticed. The only other thing I could think of is the members of Hydra wondering why Steve is acting strange and against their plans if he were Hydra, but then they probably figure that he knows they're Hydra and is working against them.