Through Strange's viewing of 14 million different scenarios in Infinity War, he knew surrendering the Time Stone was the only way to kick off the chain of events that would ultimately lead to the defeat of Thanos.
Sean
Avengers: Endgame (Post-release)
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Through Strange's viewing of 14 million different scenarios in Infinity War, he knew surrendering the Time Stone was the only way to kick off the chain of events that would ultimately lead to the defeat of Thanos.
Sean
That’s what I thought too. Strange HAD to give the time stone because the only future he saw them winning, he had to surrender the stone
I think the most epic part of End game was strange giving tony the “number 1” finger during the battle..
It gave me goosebumps
mattycsi
Master Member
No Quack Fu?
Nevermind I'll take it!!
Solos blaster
Sr Member
For me it was Cap wielding Mjiolnir. I was like, "Could it be..." when it lifted and when it was revealed, OMG!! I can't remember ever being so excited when watching a movie before. Seeing him unleash those combos with the shield AND hammer was something I never thought I'd get to see onscreen. Then Cap standing alone against Thanos and his army...almost too much.
Then the look on his face as everyone comes through....so emotional. Also awesome as everyone came through the portals.
And then finally "AVENGERS......assemble!"
Such a high note for me to exit the MCU on. Even with my few gripes(couple of cringeworthy moments), I really love this movie.
CB2001
Master Member
Because he knew that Quill was gonna punch Thanos while the others were getting the Gauntlet off of him during the fight on Titan and didn't say a thing about it, making the whole "Starlord's fault Thanos won" argument that many fans believe a purposeful and strategic move on Strange's part (as we see in GOTG, Vol. 2, if he had been told the truth about Gamora, which Strange would have known about from seeing all timelines, long before Thanos showed up on Titan for the fight, Starlord would have been angry for a brief moment and then strengthen his resolve to get the job done).
In short: Blame Strange, Not Starlord
I know, but I think he should have been the one to put Thanos down. No one would have expected hm to do it, and would have been an awesome surprise.
Paul Andrew
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Thanos was getting ready to finish off Tony when Strange offered up the stone. In retrospect, this is clearly because he saw that Tony was the only one who was able to swipe the stones from Thanos in the end.
So, while you might say it was Strange's fault Thanos won in IW, he also set in motion the events that would lead to Thanos's defeat by ensuring Tony wasn't killed in that instant. Apparently there was no version of reality in which Thanos did not wipe the floor with the Avengers in IW, regardless of Starlord or Strange's actions.
So, while you might say it was Strange's fault Thanos won in IW, he also set in motion the events that would lead to Thanos's defeat by ensuring Tony wasn't killed in that instant. Apparently there was no version of reality in which Thanos did not wipe the floor with the Avengers in IW, regardless of Starlord or Strange's actions.
CB2001
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And, yet, people still blame Starlord for Thanos winning in IW., regardless of now knowing that it was part of Strange's plan all along.
I'm just saying that Starlord got a bad rap because of actions Strange performed in IW to allow for the win in Endgame, and has probably suffered the most as a result (the Gamora he loved is gone, murdere by Thanos and may never be seen again in that itteration, getting kneed to the groin twice to many fan's cheering because they blamed him for the ending of IW, essentially becoming the Butt Monkey of the past two Avenger films). Quill is a good character who got a bad wrap, and I say that if he's gonna be blamed for something, he should be blamed for something he chose to do, not something that was outside his control.
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Paul Andrew
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Don't get me wrong, Starlord is a loveable idiot, but an idiot nonetheless. It's who he is. He was never not going to lose his **** and blow it is all I'm saying.
Starlord gonna Starlord.
Starlord gonna Starlord.
CB2001
Master Member
True, but if people are gonna blame someone for Thanos winning in IW, than they should put the blame where it belongs: in Strange's hands. He saw how Peter would react to Gamora's death, didn't say anything about it and chose to withhold it so that they'd get the good. That's all I'm saying.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
There's no blame to lay. Strange made the only possible decision that could lead to eventually winning down the line.
We should do away with notions of blaming anyone for losing in IW because there was no way TO win except to lose in the short term.
CB2001
Master Member
Try telling that to the millions of fans who chose to blame Starlord for losing in IW.
niennumb1
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Obviously it’s possible that the stones can be shrunk via Pym technology. So it got me thinking why they couldn’t replicate the physical appearance of each stone, place the fakes in the spots of origin AND the originals as well, but shrunk down to micro size out of site, so anyone who could detect those stones would be still lead to those places would technically be left empty handed because the real ones would be invisible to the naked eye and easy to hide almost anywhere in proximity.
Just a thought with how easy it was for Pym to haul around a tank on a keychain.
Just a thought with how easy it was for Pym to haul around a tank on a keychain.
CB2001
Master Member
Because the real stones are needed to be used to allow for the events of the past to take place.
The real question you should be asking is this: during the final fight, when they were passing the Iron Infinity Gauntlet (what I'm calling the Gauntlet made by Tony and company) from one member to another, why didn't they just pass it to Scott, have him shrink down and have him carry it to the van? Would have made it a bit easier for them to do so and harder for the enemy to see the Iron Infinity Gauntlet (and even more so impossible for Thanos to use it).
Or, even better question, why not blow up the size of the Iron Infinity Gauntlet to Giant Man size? Can't use it to snap fingers if it's the size of a building. Gives the Avengers enough time to deal with Thanos and his forces (and even if Thanos won a second time, he'd never be able to do anything with it).
I wonder if we will see any adventures in the future with Cap and Peggy in maybe some sort of shorts on Disney+. I have a feeling we will eventually see some of these actor's reprise their role especially with Marvel's "What if...?" series. But I hope its not right away.
So I've noodled it, and want to retract some of my earlier gripes. I'd managed to forget, in the sheer mass of story washing over me, that past-Nebula took our Nebula's place and used the quantum thingie to pop out of that now-alternate timeline to the "main" one and then bring Thanos' ship through after her. So my complaint that the alternate timelines were impacting the main one is null. The others didn't, and the alternate Thanos one specifically employed the BS quantum tech to cross the streams. No causality problems of Nebula killing that version of herself, or Tony dusting Thanos and his crew. Nifty. That's a huge niggle resolved for me.
Which also resolves part of the other big complaint. Steve. Now, I don't have a problem with him going back to nineteen-forty-whatever and taking up with Peggy. It's an alternate timeline. He probably did, in fact, thwart HYDRA's infiltrating of S.H.I.E.L.D., maybe even helped found/run it with Howard and Peggy. Probably went and rescued Bucky at earliest convenience. May or may not have stepped in other places where he felt Cap was needed -- Cuban Missile Crisis? Berlin Wall? Kennedy's assassination? Apollo I? Challenger? Heck, maybe even prevent Peggy's Alzheimer's (foreknowledge of Extremis?)... Again, no conflict with the main timeline. And for people who feel he abrogated his sense of duty, there are plenty of heroes now, especially post-unsnap. He's not as crucial. And he brought Sam that shield from his timeline to replace the one that had gotten destroyed in the main one.
That still leaves two and a half questions...
Returning/restoring the Space, Reality, Power, Mind, and Soul Stones. Power is only a little tricky, given how little we know about the Orb and opening it, and the containment field and how to interact with it. So that's minor. The housings for Space and Mind were destroyed to retrieve the Stones' essences, and I don't know that we have the capacity to re-create such artifacts, or who would. And Reality, we don't know how it changes states. We didn't see what Thanos did to get it in his gauntlet in IW -- he already had done it when the Guardians got there. And we didn't see what was done after Rocket extracted it from Jane. So maybe we already knew how to undo it?
But Soul... (this is the "half) I still feel like there's a whole lot around returning that that is relevant and needs to be seen. How he reacted to the Guardian, that'd be a bit of a moment for Cap. And the huge question of whether returning the Soul Stone gets back whoever was sacrificed to get it. If not, that's a pretty BS deal.
Last niggle is that, while sharp-eyed viewers noticed Steve grabbed more Pym Particles in 1970 than were needed to go back to the future, I haven't seen a suitable explanation as to why Old Steve was sitting on the bench, rather than returning to the platform where all of the other quantum-travelers returned to after their jaunts. That seems to be the crosstime gateway. I'm gonna guess that he timed it to a moment when he knew the platform was unattended, but I feel like it shouldn't be 100% on the audience to work through the logistics. The film should give us a little more to go on.
Which also resolves part of the other big complaint. Steve. Now, I don't have a problem with him going back to nineteen-forty-whatever and taking up with Peggy. It's an alternate timeline. He probably did, in fact, thwart HYDRA's infiltrating of S.H.I.E.L.D., maybe even helped found/run it with Howard and Peggy. Probably went and rescued Bucky at earliest convenience. May or may not have stepped in other places where he felt Cap was needed -- Cuban Missile Crisis? Berlin Wall? Kennedy's assassination? Apollo I? Challenger? Heck, maybe even prevent Peggy's Alzheimer's (foreknowledge of Extremis?)... Again, no conflict with the main timeline. And for people who feel he abrogated his sense of duty, there are plenty of heroes now, especially post-unsnap. He's not as crucial. And he brought Sam that shield from his timeline to replace the one that had gotten destroyed in the main one.
That still leaves two and a half questions...
Returning/restoring the Space, Reality, Power, Mind, and Soul Stones. Power is only a little tricky, given how little we know about the Orb and opening it, and the containment field and how to interact with it. So that's minor. The housings for Space and Mind were destroyed to retrieve the Stones' essences, and I don't know that we have the capacity to re-create such artifacts, or who would. And Reality, we don't know how it changes states. We didn't see what Thanos did to get it in his gauntlet in IW -- he already had done it when the Guardians got there. And we didn't see what was done after Rocket extracted it from Jane. So maybe we already knew how to undo it?
But Soul... (this is the "half) I still feel like there's a whole lot around returning that that is relevant and needs to be seen. How he reacted to the Guardian, that'd be a bit of a moment for Cap. And the huge question of whether returning the Soul Stone gets back whoever was sacrificed to get it. If not, that's a pretty BS deal.
Last niggle is that, while sharp-eyed viewers noticed Steve grabbed more Pym Particles in 1970 than were needed to go back to the future, I haven't seen a suitable explanation as to why Old Steve was sitting on the bench, rather than returning to the platform where all of the other quantum-travelers returned to after their jaunts. That seems to be the crosstime gateway. I'm gonna guess that he timed it to a moment when he knew the platform was unattended, but I feel like it shouldn't be 100% on the audience to work through the logistics. The film should give us a little more to go on.
I can see Mantis passing on all the experiences the Guardians had with her so she will "remember".
Would you not be you if you got amnesia and not remember the last few years?
Hell Voyager straight up killed Harry Kim and put his alternate universe self in his place
without skipping a beat. LOL
Maybe all those alternate timelines, it's still each of us, simply we are presented with some different life events.
CB2001
Master Member
There's a difference between Harry Kim and Gamora, though. Harry, along with the rest of the Voyager crew, were only a few hours old after the split, so not much time went by and we're basically identical with the exception that one Voyager was badly damaged, the other still in good condition. The Gamora running around now was still a couple of years before we see her in the first Guardians of the Galaxy film. And even then, the events of GOTG and GOTG, Vol. 2 up to IW never happened to her. That's YEARS in difference. Also, Mantis would probably be only to cover the memories from when they met from Ego on forward, not before that.
The best analogy you should be using is the Will and Thomas Riker incident, where they were split in two, but Will continued on with his life and Thomas was stuck for years alone before he was found.
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robn1
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I saw "Defender" video game in the end credits. Where was it?
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Am I the only one who thought Tony was going to flip off Thanos at the end there when he raised his hand with the stones? Cuz for just a second, I legit thought it was going to happen.
