The writers will deliver something very emotionally satisfying is my bet to address it all.
Trust in the Marvel magic true believers. Excelsior!
Avengers: Endgame (Post-release)
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The writers will deliver something very emotionally satisfying is my bet to address it all.
Trust in the Marvel magic true believers. Excelsior!
It's what Groot was playing.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
While I agree there should be a little bit more to go on, what I feel happened is this:
Cap took two extra vials...one to get back to Peggy, and one to get back to the platform.
From what I saw in the film, it seemed that the device Tony made only allowed them to jump BACK in time, they needed the big platform doohickey to be pulled back to the present.
So I feel that other vial was one that Cap used to go BACK in time to the point we see him on the bench.
Basically, he lived in the alternate timeline until a point that was actually AHEAD of the events we were seeing in “Endgame,” then used the device to travel back to give Sam the shield.
That’s my take on it...and I do agree that it probably should have been a bit more given to us as viewers...but maybe that was the point, to let viewers form their own idea of what happened when Cap left.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I saw the film today. I wanted to go earlier but my wife had a bunch of medical tests done to rule out some cancer (I’m happy to report the tests came back saying she is cancer free) that basically meant today was my first real opportunity to go.
I loved it. Every second of it.
It was humorous, sad, exciting...what a roller coaster of emotions.
Fat Thor was hilarious, and I loved the way the Russo’s were able to balance the grim situation with some lighthearted humor.
BannerHulk is awesome. I love how we have now seen basically an entire standalone Hulk film told in three different films. Kudos to Marvel for figuring out a way to tell a good Hulk story despite not really having all the rights nailed down for a Hulk movie. I loved watching him “smash” stuff when sent back to 2012. Hilarious.
Cap vs Cap was something I didn’t know I needed to see until I saw it...and hearing Cap say “Hail Hydra” was an excellent nod to that story from the comics back in 16 or 17.
I loved how Peter engaged instant kill mode on the Iron Spider suit, after having to tell the suit a couple times in “Homecoming” not to activate instant kill.
My tearing up moment came when Sam first contacted Cap on the radio. “Winter Soldier” is probably my favorite MCU film, and Sam is my favorite “not so main” character, so that “On your left” was just so perfect to me...here’s Sam telling Cap the same thing Cap told him the first time they met. Too awesome.
I also really like how they basically wrapped everything up while also introducing some things going forward. They teased Namor, and I expect to see him in the second Black Panther film. They got around Gamora’s death by bringing her from the past, so I’m guessing we’ll see some of that story in GotG3. We’ve basically had a Black Widow film all but confirmed, so I’m guessing we’ll find out Steve was somehow able to rescue her (does “Soul for a soul” work both ways? If you’re putting the stone back can you rescue a soul?).
I also liked how despite trying their best to make sure they didn’t disrupt the timelines they were stealing stones from, they still managed to leave a bit of damage in a couple of them...primarily the one where Loki escaped.
There’s so much to unpack here...and I can honestly say I wasn’t disappointed in a single aspect of the film. To me, it was an absolute triumph...and it’s going to be VERY difficult to top as far as superhero ensemble films go.
I loved it. Every second of it.
It was humorous, sad, exciting...what a roller coaster of emotions.
Fat Thor was hilarious, and I loved the way the Russo’s were able to balance the grim situation with some lighthearted humor.
BannerHulk is awesome. I love how we have now seen basically an entire standalone Hulk film told in three different films. Kudos to Marvel for figuring out a way to tell a good Hulk story despite not really having all the rights nailed down for a Hulk movie. I loved watching him “smash” stuff when sent back to 2012. Hilarious.
Cap vs Cap was something I didn’t know I needed to see until I saw it...and hearing Cap say “Hail Hydra” was an excellent nod to that story from the comics back in 16 or 17.
I loved how Peter engaged instant kill mode on the Iron Spider suit, after having to tell the suit a couple times in “Homecoming” not to activate instant kill.
My tearing up moment came when Sam first contacted Cap on the radio. “Winter Soldier” is probably my favorite MCU film, and Sam is my favorite “not so main” character, so that “On your left” was just so perfect to me...here’s Sam telling Cap the same thing Cap told him the first time they met. Too awesome.
I also really like how they basically wrapped everything up while also introducing some things going forward. They teased Namor, and I expect to see him in the second Black Panther film. They got around Gamora’s death by bringing her from the past, so I’m guessing we’ll see some of that story in GotG3. We’ve basically had a Black Widow film all but confirmed, so I’m guessing we’ll find out Steve was somehow able to rescue her (does “Soul for a soul” work both ways? If you’re putting the stone back can you rescue a soul?).
I also liked how despite trying their best to make sure they didn’t disrupt the timelines they were stealing stones from, they still managed to leave a bit of damage in a couple of them...primarily the one where Loki escaped.
There’s so much to unpack here...and I can honestly say I wasn’t disappointed in a single aspect of the film. To me, it was an absolute triumph...and it’s going to be VERY difficult to top as far as superhero ensemble films go.
That's the exact bit where we need just a little more to work with. The platforms are more than the things that pull people back to the present -- they're the anchor to that timeline. That's how past-Nebula pulled Thanos' ship through. I'm not sure, but I feel like if Cap used the Pym Particles in his now-alternate timeline with Peggy, he'd travel back in time within it, rather than jumping back over to the timeline he'd left to go back and start that other one. I need to see it again, for many reasons. Given Bruce's conversation with the Ancient One, and the Sorcerers' Supreme role to safeguard space and time, and her warning to Bruce about mucking about in the past... I can't help but wonder how she'd narrow her eyes at what Steve did.
Bloop
Sr Member
Wow, I genuinely feel sad for you. You have never been moved by a work of fiction, a piece of music, a work of art? How tragic. And you "rarely" are moved by life? I'm stunned. I'm not saying you have to feel something for Endgame, but to say you "don't get choked up or cry for movies. That's what real life is for (though rarely)" shows you either have no ability to empathize, no ability to be moved by someone else's experiences, even something that someone else has created. Or you're just "too cool" to admit you have feelings, bottling up your emotions because you're afraid of what people will think of you, or what you might think of yourself. Also, your comments are incredibly insensitive and dismissive of other people, people that actually can feel empathy. Here's a tip, tough guy: opening yourself up to feeling something for someone else can help you understand your own life and emotions, and can help you understand what other people go through. Maybe you've never experienced the loss of a loved one, or had a relationship that failed for some reason, so you really can't identify with these themes in movies or books or plays or music. If you truly have no empathy, I feel sorry for you.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I believe there is a clinical term for someone that can’t empathize...
Somerset
Sr Member
Watched the film again yesterday, but this time there was only a dozen or so people in the cinema rather than packed out like when I saw it at the weekend. Because it was quieter I did notice that a lot of the 'hero' moments in the film (e.g. Cap gets the hammer) definitely have a couple of seconds built in specifically for the audience to cheer! I think for those moments of that level of excitement, it's definitely worth watching in a packed showing to appreciate the full impact.
While there are lots of other questions to be asked, one thing I am pondering now is that since the stones are gone from the main timeline, what impact will this have on Dr Strange's abilities to protect the universe now that the Time Stone is gone?
I also noticed that other than Scarlet Witch's line to Thanos, no one seemed to have anything to say about missing Vision... poor guy.
While there are lots of other questions to be asked, one thing I am pondering now is that since the stones are gone from the main timeline, what impact will this have on Dr Strange's abilities to protect the universe now that the Time Stone is gone?
I also noticed that other than Scarlet Witch's line to Thanos, no one seemed to have anything to say about missing Vision... poor guy.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Let the mad rush pass and saw this today and was blown away by the sheer magnificence of planning, story telling and respect shown to characters so dearly loved by the fans. It was tempered though by a feeling of sadness at where Star Wars is and how that franchise ended up with the C Team. Marvel, apart from technicians, dont allow anyone from Lucasfilm anywhere near your films.
Solos blaster
Sr Member
So who will be the first to make Cap's damaged shield?
Aaahh I get it now!
*slowly raises hand
My girlfriend said I would make a good Cap for Halloween so I started with the shield or what’s left of it lol
firesprite
Master Member
I believe that the Black Widow movie is likely to be a prequel, possibly dealing with her origin in the Red Room, also possibly featuring Bucky in Winter Soldier mode.
The movie was masterful for me. Although I had to read this thread to finally get the timeline stuff around cap. Since he lived out a different timeline than the "MCU prime" timeline, he could actually be any age when he finally goes back to the bench.
I have been rewatching every MSU movie in order, it is amazing how many small threads they have wrapped up in this movie. All while keeping a good balance of telling the story of both the main and side characters. (Except I needed more Groot in this one!)
I have been rewatching every MSU movie in order, it is amazing how many small threads they have wrapped up in this movie. All while keeping a good balance of telling the story of both the main and side characters. (Except I needed more Groot in this one!)
If I was going to do Cap I’d have my wife do Peggy. (rowr!)
That would be great! I tried that suggestion but she said Black Widow is badass and can show more cleavage lol. I didn’t argue
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I disagree about it being a prequel for one reason...and that’s The House of Mouse’s desire for everything they do to be able to be turned into a franchise. I just read about a few Fox films that got the axe after the acquisition because Disney felt they didn’t have much to offer past a single film.
Doing a prequel limits the options they have with sequels, and, it could potentially drive a few viewers away because they already know what’s going to ultimately happen to the character.
That said, a prequel does have the ability to bring characters back that are no longer in the MCU, even if for just a cameo...
I just don’t think prequel is where they’ll go, personally.
xl97
Master Member
I agree on it being a prequel...
Unless something happens in another major film, that changes her fate as a globally accepted/canon action... thats shes 'alive again'..
Then I'm not sure HOW it could be anything but (a prequel)?
I'm ok with background stories on certain members.. (especially hers because its riddled in secrecy.. as well TONS of missions!!).. take your pick.. lots of stories!
I hope they dont do anything with Falcon.. (bad enough he got the shield)
Unless something happens in another major film, that changes her fate as a globally accepted/canon action... thats shes 'alive again'..
Then I'm not sure HOW it could be anything but (a prequel)?
I'm ok with background stories on certain members.. (especially hers because its riddled in secrecy.. as well TONS of missions!!).. take your pick.. lots of stories!
I hope they dont do anything with Falcon.. (bad enough he got the shield)
ClayTheSpider15
Active Member
Who else saw the parallel with Peter and Tony at the end, where Pete tells him "We Won."
Just like Cap in Avengers, after he wakes up.
Also, I cried multiple times. There was some heart-wrenching stuff that happened in that movie. All of the scenes where Tony reflects on losing Peter had me crying. The Russo's are awesome directors, and it's too bad that that was their last MCU film.
Just like Cap in Avengers, after he wakes up.
Also, I cried multiple times. There was some heart-wrenching stuff that happened in that movie. All of the scenes where Tony reflects on losing Peter had me crying. The Russo's are awesome directors, and it's too bad that that was their last MCU film.
