Attention: BANDAI will stop selling kits outside Japan

I agree. IMO the only ones who are to blame are the retailers IF the mouse or Bandai finds out. Bandai may stop delivery of their products to these shops or press charges against them if that's part of the delivery contract. I guess the buyer is relatively safe when buying from ebay or amazon because of the buyer's protection service (I don't know how it is called in English) which makes sure that the buyer will get his / her money back if the item does not reach its destination. In addition, such a procedure of German customs would contradict HLJ's promise to honour the pre-orders of Boba Fett and Slave I. If it was for sure that there was an import ban they would have responded to that already and cancelled all pre-orders.
 
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Guys, stop using the phrase "import ban". I have not seen anything that says they've been banned from import. They cannot be sold at retail to overseas markets. That does NOT mean they've been banned from import. If I go purchase one of these at a shop in japan once they're out, and then decide to sell it on ebay, or amazon marketplace, etc. then I have every right to.
 
I Have recieved 3 kits since this whole ****storm has come into play. with two more kits coming at the end of october. Its been the whole principle of the matter which has made people angry. This doesnt seem logical in 2015. Its good that poeple showed the anger towards disney and revell. Maybe at some point these situations wont happen anymore,hopefully.
 
I'm still hoping that there will be a world-wide distributor for Bandai kits in the future to end this dilemma.

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I have not seen anything that says they've been banned from import.

That's exactly what I mean. The only difficulties are finding a good retailer and getting the kits for a reasonable price.
 
Guys, stop using the phrase "import ban". I have not seen anything that says they've been banned from import. They cannot be sold at retail to overseas markets. That does NOT mean they've been banned from import. If I go purchase one of these at a shop in japan once they're out, and then decide to sell it on ebay, or amazon marketplace, etc. then I have every right to.


Unfortunately your statement is just one side of the coin.
Bandai kits are only licensed for the Japanese market.
Exports:
If you want to export them from Japan as a private person without a commercial interest (= making money with them) you can do so.
If you have an commercial interest (including making some money as a private person by for example selling them on ebay) you are not allowed to export them from Japan. Without the license, you do not have the right to sell them (on ebay, amazon marketplace etc.) to foreign customers.
Imports:
The legal situation in Germany is clear and I am pretty sure that the legal situation in the US and in other countries is the same:
If you want to import these kits with a commercial interest (re-selling them) it is illegal.
If you are a private person, you can import these kits from a private person that has no commercial interest (a friend for example). In that case, you are not allowed to make the kits available to the market (= make money with it at a later time).
Even if you are a private person it is illegal to import these kits from a person / shop sitting in Japan with a commercial interest (e.g. buying on evay).

So YES, these kits are banned from import when they come from a person or shop with commercial interest.

The big question is: Why did nobody care in the past and now Disney is taking action?
To answer this question, you need to know the US licensing laws and you need to understand that this is big money.
If you are owner of a brand / license and somebody does something violating the license then everything is fine as long as you do not know about it. If you know about it you have two option: Make something against it or tolerate it. If I can proof that something was tolerated or accepted, then I and everybody else can do it too. This is equal to the owner of the brand loosing the license rights.
In our situation it means the following: If someone can proof that Disney knows about HLJ (e.g.) exporting kits (a letter to tell them is enough), everybody else can do it too. In practice, then the Japanese license has become a World Wide license without Bandai paying for it accordingly. Other manufacturers are loosing their monopole in other markets, making them pay less when renewing their license. Disney would loose big money.

I know, that Lucas Film looked away wherever they can while being very careful that this did not became public. Once a case went public, they had to act.
In the past, Bandai kits were exported in such big numbers, that Disney is no longer able to deny knowing something about it. So Disney had to act, if they do not want to loose big money. So the "evil Disney mouse" tried to find a balance between their commercial interest and to not displease us fans. (Please see the ironic tone in "evil Disney mouse", because in fact Disney acted very fair to us fans.) Obviously, an agreement was found where Disney allowed, that existing orders are fulfilled and stocks could be sold till Sept. 20th. This is good for us fans.
To prevent further sales to outside Japan, Disney took actions to prevent the export. If this does not work, because everybody is buying on ebay, then Disney must take other steps. Export is not controlled by customs, so Disney has to try to prevent imports. They have every right and the need to do so (see above). They will notify customs on the situation and then kits will be confiscated and destroyed by customs. (To do so in Germany, Disney just has to put a request to customs and renew it every year.) Loosing these paid kits will **** a lot of fans off which is exactly what Lucas Film (incl. George himself) tried to avoid in the past . The pattern of Disney´s actions is quite similar.

I know, people want to blame someone for the situation. Disney is trying to protect their financial interest and to not offend us fans, other people or other companies. But once you understand the legal situation in the US, you see that both is not possible at the same time. You do not pay US$ 4 billion for a franchise just to let your license get useless.
As long as US laws do clearly state that if you once tolerate a license violation you can kiss you license good by for good, we will have to live with the situation.
 
... so the only logical reaction would be to not buy the Revell kits until Revell feels that their licence does not generate enough profit, doesn't renew the license, giving others a chance to buy it and hope that Bandai jumps on then.

Ok, if this is the only way, I'll do this and wait 10+ years to get the Bandai kits.
 
I work in theatre and when I do a show, I purchase the scrip/music from a publisher. Part of that purchase is a promise to "black out" that show in a certain parameter around my show for a certain period of time.

I'm assuming that this is the same thing. Revell may not have complained but if does have something to do with them
 
... so the only logical reaction would be to not buy the Revell kits until Revell feels that their licence does not generate enough profit, doesn't renew the license, giving others a chance to buy it and hope that Bandai jumps on then.

That will work ONLY IF the majority of potential customers act that way. You won't be able to stop hundreds of parents from buying the kits for their kids because they think they are cool toys with light and sound. Most will say, hey, that's Star Wars, it's cool and does not cost much. Let's have some fun with it and buy it. As long as this is the case the situation will not change.

Furthermore, not buying an article does not indicate WHY the article is not accepted by the customers. Here, the major complaint is the overall quality of the kits produced. If the Revell products are not bought it might be as likely to suppose that people are not interested in models kits any longer which means no-one will be interested in getting the license in the future.
 
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... but as long as serious modelers buy these toys under these conditions, we can't complain about parents! I won't buy them, for my part.

And about the second issue: The Bandai kits even seem to sell so well that the whole issue surfaced because of them. Or does anyone think that Revell kits were more popular in Japan than Bandai kits on the Japanese market?

In my opinion, regardless of who started it all, the responsible persons know exactly which product is popular for which audience.
 
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Ok huge.... unless you have professional personal experience in this type of matter then everything you've been going on about is conjecture. I actually do have experience both professionally and personally in this type of stuff however, especially with model kits.
The kits can most definitely be sold by an individual to whomever they wish anywhere in the world so long as the Customs dept. of said country has not deemed it illegal, such as firearms (which actually can be sold in some places online but usually require a 3rd party licensed holder that the individual would pick the weapon up from) and hazardous materials (again with exceptions). What you seem to be stuck on is them being sold in a retail capacity... I'm not saying that at all and that's not what the example I gave illustrated at all. Hence the use of the term "secondary market" in I believe my first post.
Basically this just returns the model collecting to what it was like in the early days of sites like ebay... higher prices and less availability.
 
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So YES, these kits are banned from import when they come from a person or shop with commercial interest.

Well, that contradicts the principle of equal treatment. Either all ways of importing are allowed or none. There must be no exceptions, IMO. :rolleyes
 
And this eventually hurts the license owners. If the 'marketplace' were allowed to take care of the issue without the artificial influence being exercised by Disney's legal machine, then it would sort itself out just fine. It boils down to the fact that Disney is interfering with not only the license owner (Bandai) but the business of the folks buying from Bandai (retailers only since Bandai does not sell directly to consumers.) As long as Bandai doesn't sell to retailers outside their licensed market, then that should be the extent of it. Disney is hurting themselves with this little ridiculous rationalization that they are losing control over their brand by creating the impression they are a giant, money-grubbing corporation that couldn't care less for the consumers of their product. After all, these are "licensed" products, which means Bandai has paid to take a gamble on the IP with certain restrictions. However, Hobby Link Japan (for example) had no contract with Disney. They are simply responding to customers' demands for product (they even sold Revell SW kits on their site, at least at one time...) - in short, the marketplace pressure. When did Disney get the right to manipulate the market?

Looking at it from another aspect: performance. So, Disney has paid for the terrific 'brand' that is Star Wars. How do they promote it? By letting every tom, dick & harry stick 'Star Wars' on their products. I visited Target yesterday and saw SW on a basketball goal (not a backboard, just the hoop...). For pete's sake, I swear I thought 'sluts'. Selling replica products like Lego 'ships', Hasbro 'figures' and toy light sabers, yeah that makes sense. That represents direct tie in with the movie, etc. Items with SW graphics and images, yes I get that too. But just the name on a metal BB hoop? Next there will be Star Wars brand chips & underwear. Wait, I think that has already happened. But then, we are taling about Disney.

Ah, but back to models... at the same Target store, there was a total of five (!) of the Revell Skill 1 kits (a varied assortment of two choices, to boot) on the rather elaborate SW display. So, this is how Revell is using their exclusive (& protected) market? Even if selling to 'kids', their availability just isn't there. We've already established that Bandai & Revell products aren't really in direct competition since they are aimed at different market segments. Both now we have an enforced 'black out' on Bandai which is replaced in North America with... nothing. Perhaps Disney should pull Revell's license for 'non-performance'. BTW, I live in a major metropolitan region, so it isn't because I'm in the boondocks.

I my mind, Disney has, in their short-sighted pursuit of the mighty dollar, simply stepped on their own 'head' and stomped it. Instead of letting the various players suffer equally at the market's "jaws", they have pulled its teeth. This will, in the long run, certainly hurt Disney's bottom line, not to mention it's reputation.

Sigh, back to making my own models, apparently. In this day and age, I really get tired of only having crap available... no respect for the art only the commerce.

Regards, Robert

[Smile! You could NOT be reading this... good to be this side of the lawn.]
 
Right, "G". Point is Bandai should be the only entity subject to the selling restrictions since they are the one's who obtained the restricted market license (which again I believe is a stupid thing to begin with since the marketplace would take care of the buying and selling if allowed to - plus the fact that the Revell kits aren't even aimed at the same market.) In fact, I think Bandai & Revell should have teamed up to rebox each others kits for each one's markets. That way both markets are covered for both segments (adult,modeler & child, toy.)

Perhaps a better agreement would have been for Disney to sell the licenses for $1 plus a small percentage of all sales profit with no restrictions other than the products would have to be approved before being produced (don't want to have any Star Wars 'lightsabers' that aren't 'right'.) Let the licensee do all the accounting work and just cut Disney a check periodically. Disney could then stop worrying about it, fire a few lawyers and save on their bottom line. Mom always said things go better when you play 'nice'.

After all, it's not like they really care about the quality of the licensed products as it is now... model kits, Revell? Right.... might as well be Hasbro toy playsets (which also require some assembly, eh?)

R/ Robert
 
The kits can most definitely be sold by an individual to whomever they wish anywhere in the world so long as the Customs dept. of said country has not deemed it illegal, such as firearms (which actually can be sold in some places online but usually require a 3rd party licensed holder that the individual would pick the weapon up from) and hazardous materials (again with exceptions).
... and as long as the product is not produced for a specific market under license protection. In that case you are not allowed to make them available outside this market when you have a commercial interest, even if you are a private person. In Germany, I ( a private person with no commercial interest) am not allowed to buy from such a person.
This statement comes from a lawyer and was made very clear to me by the German customs and the German laywer that used to represent Lucas film in Germany. Btw. the conversation with Lucas´lawyer was very informative and helpful.
If you have a better source and/or better knowledge that is fine with me. No problem. I am all good with that.
 
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