Attention: BANDAI will stop selling kits outside Japan

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  1. spinner 44

    spinner 44 Well-Known Member

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    I just got an email from 1999.co.jp, where I regulary preorder all my Bandai Star Wars kits.

    "We have been contacted by Bandai that they do not want their
    Star Wars kits sold outside Japan, so we are no longer taking
    new orders for these items outside Japan and have removed them
    from our English website."


    They are not cancelling preorders, but from now it would be not possible to buy any kits.
     
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  2. Vacformedhero

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Roboted

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    I doubt they will stop ebayers from gettiing these out due to the market size which has already been tapped. demand for sales will always trump what bandai may try to enforce.

    At least i certainly hope this is this case. I will start a petition to JJ himself if this happens. Dont you keep our kits from us you feckers
     
  4. Dobber

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    But hey, at least we (outside Japan) have these super awesome kits by Revell that could give 2 ****s about non-kiddie level models. :rolleyes Because that's the only maker they seem to care about.

    Chris
     
  5. Galactican

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    We don't know who or what caused this. It is also possible that due to the license agreement and the export ban the kits are going to be confiscated by the customs. So if you order any Bandai SW kits (no matter from where) you could lose your money and the items as well.

    In addition, I don't think that JJ is the right person to turn to. Better ask Disney which licensee caused this action.
     
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  6. Roboted

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    I really hope all of this is hogwash. its so stupid that they wouldnt just sell the kits in the UK and the USA when there is such a good demand. why just why?
     
  7. Roboted

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    I guess direct with bandai or yeh disney. i dont think they will open up parcels to try and take down model kits, its not like they are guns or drugs
     
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  8. Dedalus5550

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    As I've understood the license, it's for Japan or Asia only. In the spirit of that and to the letter of that, I don't see why why Bandai--and didn't a long time ago--make this requirement of it's retailer. Same for Fine Molds. I'm not happy about it, but I get it. As for these kits being confiscated by Customs, I really don't see that happening. Will Customs open every package marked "toys"?

    Someone posted yesterday that Revell is probaby monitoring Bandai to see about the sales to decide if Revell should market some "real" SW kits. But looks like Revell might have found another way to ensure it's kits are kinda the best available.

    There are a few friendly people on the boards who live in Japan who may be willing to help members out, too.

    Mike Todd
     
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  9. Galactican

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    Certainly they are not life-threatening items ;) , however, if the export ban implies an import ban that might happen at your local customs office whenever they see a note on the parcel saying "SW Bandai model kit". Well, we'll see.
     
  10. SGK

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Hello, newbie here just sharing my thoughts on the matter...

    Regarding Hobby Search, AmiAmi and the "export ban", so far it only applies to Bandai's model kits as their SH Figuarts line is still available for (pre)order on pretty much all websites, in fact you can still order every other piece of Star Wars merch from any manufacturer, so all this gives credibility to the notion the ban was enacted on behalf of Revell under the request of the IP holder, Disney.

    While HLJ hasn't delisted them from their catalogue yet as the others have, they haven't announced any preorders for the new ep7 kits either so that may be an effect of the ban as well.
     
  11. edge10

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Again, there will always be options. No one in China is going to give a Rats *****, about what Revell/Disney wishes them to do.

    If Revell thinks this will help sell their garbage kits, they are sadly mistaken. Angering your customer base is no way to win their loyalty.
     
  12. Dedalus5550

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    As I posted at SSM, Anigrand gave a rat's decal piece.

    This reminds me a political cartoon I saw years ago, at a time when Disney might have been causing a stink about all that unlicensed Disney crap in China. There is a guy--probably a political prisoner--chained to the wall of a Chinese prison, hanging by his wrists, and obviously bloody. One guard is standing there with a bloody whip. The prisoner has a Mickey Mouse T-shirt on. A second guard walds in and says, "We need to start paying royalties for that shirt."
     
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  13. edge10

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Anigrand was making an illegal unlicensed kit, not reselling licensed products in the grey market. There is a large distinction there.

    If companies don't do it, individuals will.
     
  14. Hunk a Junk

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    I'll believe it when I see a message from HLJ. And even if it happened, I know a guy living in Japan.
     
  15. Jaitea

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    I wouldn't think Disney would complain who buys the kits.....more sold, more money

    It would likely be Revell seething at the great reviews & images of the Bandai kits, and trying to put their foot down to enforce the contract they have

    Its a * shame that its ended up like this

    We will just have to wait & see if TFA kits appear on the HLJ site at the end of the month for pre-order

    Its like we had our time with 16x9 4k High Definition, but now we're forced to buy 4x3 CRT & Pre-watched VHS tapes

    J
     
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  16. edge10

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    There are 81 listings for the moving edition X-wing on Amazon (US). It may get a little less convenient to get them, but the Bandai kits will be available.
     
  17. Hunk a Junk

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Right. If Bandai makes them, we'll get them. If this proves to be true, then it's time to press Disney to make better license deals in the future. I doubt the lawyers and business people making these deals truly understand the market and it may take some feet stomping to help them get the message. It's not like Star Wars fans aren't highly skilled in making a giant stink until someone listens to them.:ninja
     
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  18. edge10

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    LOL. I'm still waiting for the Original unaltered trilogy on Blu-Ray. I hate having to go on a torrent site to get the Despecialized Edition.
     
  19. Roboted

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    Im loving the Spirit in this thread, This is the nicest forum iv been on, you guys rule :) .

    Im up for making any noise needed to get the kits iv wanted since i heard TFA was announced.
     
  20. Hunk a Junk

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    That's a much different conversation with more nuance than anyone wants to get into here. :lol
     
  21. TazMan2000

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    If they enforce this, I will never, ever buy another Revell kit. I'm sure I won't be alone on that decision.

    TazMan2000
     
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  22. rbeach84

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    I don't know how this could be if Bandai is making OT kits, not the FTA versions...
    R. Robert
     
  23. Wes R

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    I knew this would happen. Revell is behind it, the company owning Robotech has been going after importers of Macross kits from japan for years to force people to buy their overpriced kits that are lower quality. The modeling community needs to spread this news that Revell may be behind this so they know.
     
  24. Dobber

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    i agree. I also believe this can only be coming from Revell. Bandai is doing what they are supposed to be doing by selling to Japanese retailers. What does Bandai, or Disney for that matter, care who the Japanese store sells to. This is most likely Revell not wanting competition. Funny thing is, I thought Revell wasn't making kits for experienced modelers anyway...isn't that what all the Revell fan boys keep saying..."we aren't their market" "the models are aimed at kids and new modelers so stop complaining" ect.

    Chris
     
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  25. Dedalus5550

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    Not sure what you mean. bandai IS making TFA kits. And if Bandai has a license for for Japan/Asia only then it doesn't matter if it's TFA kits or not.
     
  26. newmagrathea

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Has anyone else gotten any messages or info about this? Is there a way we can verify this info?

    I wouldn't buy a Revell kit anyway.
     
  27. tengel07

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    I got an answer from hobby search today:
    Dear Torsten,

    Thank you very much for shopping at HOBBY SEARCH.

    Regarding the Star Wars kits from Bandai, we were planning to deal
    the product but were forced to remove the listing.

    We had been contacted by Bandai and they had requested that
    we stop the sales of the new Star Wars kits outside Japan,
    and had asked that the old ones to also be removed as well,
    so we have no choice but to stop the sales outside Japan.

    As we cannot ignore Bandai's request, we are very sorry for
    your inconvenience but we are unable to provide you the products.

    We appreciate your understanding of this matter, thank you very much.

    Sincerely Yours,
    Ryo Negishi



    hlj has not answered yet - they are not working over the weekend...
     
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  28. rbeach84

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    Bandai IS making TFA (which would be in direct competition with Revell's products & hence an issue)? Which kits are TFA? Figures don't count as Revell isn't doing figures... as the point was being made that Revell might be pressuring Disney, which then pressures the Japanese makers because of a perceived threat to Revell's sales. BTW, retail sales to individuals are not subject to the same rules as 'import sales' for wholesale distribution outside the country of origin.

    Bandai is the manufacturer, not the seller to the end-user. Whole different situation. I personally think the stop-order has nothing to do with license issues but rather production problems or release dates more than anything.

    R/ Robert
     
  29. edge10

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    This was received by Invar over at Hobby Talk:

    I received the same e-mail this morning for orders I placed for Star Wars kits:

    Thank you very much for shopping at HOBBY SEARCH.
    You have received this mail as you currently have a reservation
    for the Bandai Star Wars kit listed below.

    *************************************************
    Manufacturer: Bandai
    Product Name: 1/12 Boba Fett (Plastic model)
    *************************************************

    We have been contacted by Bandai that they do not want their
    Star Wars kits sold outside Japan, so we are no longer taking
    new orders for these items outside Japan and have removed them
    from our English website.

    Please note that although you will be able to see these products
    on your account page, you will not be able to check the product details
    as the product pages will be removed from our site.

    We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause,
    and your understanding of this matter will be greatly appreciated.

    http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showpost.php?p=5343314&postcount=239

    - - - Updated - - -

    Unfortunately, the above version leaves no doubt (as to supply issues being the cause).
     
  30. tengel07

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    you can not longer order already relesed bandai star wars kits or preoder new bandai star wars kits from hobby search and amiami, but the available kits can be ordered on the japanese website for japan residentials. This was happend on last friday, all bandai kits are gone from the english websites of HS and amiami.
    And hobby search has responded, that bandai has been forced to stop selling there starwars kits outside japan. Hlj.com does not update there website or answer emails over the weekend. As soon i get an answer from hlj i will post it here.
    BR Torsten
     
  31. Haystack Hair

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    Well this is a bunch of balls isn't it?
    I was really looking forward to buying some Bandai kits when I could afford them, of all the things to smuggle across continents.....I never thought it would have to be plastic model kits !
     
  32. Dobber

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    What sucks is, Bandai isn't selling outside of Japan. They are selling to Japanese stores. The stores are a different story, but isn't bandai living up to their end of the liscence? How is selling to a Japanese shop the may ship internationally any different than me walking into a store in Japan, buying a kit and then taking it home with me? Just really bummed by this. :(

    Chris
     
  33. Wes R

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    This going to drive the price of them on ebay sky high as you'll have folks in japan buying them and reselling them and since they're not companies or importers i'm not sure revell could stop it.
     
  34. newmagrathea

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    I wonder if we could petition Bandai and/or Disney/Lucasfilm to allow the sales.
     
  35. astroboy

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    good lord. I remember seeing Yamato 1/48 valks at comic shopsfor like $250 over here. Yet I would pay about $80 from hlj.

    Mind you, hlj was never forbidden from shipping over seas.
     
  36. Hopson

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    Has Hobby Link Japan said anything about this?
     
  37. Oriontide

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    I just purchased the "Chicken Walker" from HLP--I just paid for it now--and the deal went through without a hitch.
     
  38. TazMan2000

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    We don't have a choice but to wait until Monday or Tuesday to see if this is going to affect HLJ. The question is, what can we do about it if it does? (Aside from exacting revenge on Revell or whoever was the architect of this debacle)

    TazMan2000
     
  39. SGK

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    The ban may as well be due to supply issues but I also doubt it because supply is up to retailers in this case, when the product is sold out and the production run is over, they'll need to wait for the company to reissue then they can begin selling again; Bandai even sets up a release calendar every month showing new and reissued items.

    A good chunk of the other model kits Bandai makes is also shipped to overseas distributors/retailers so I don't see how demand from individuals abroad is adversely affecting local supplies and exceeding Bandai's production capacity that such regulation had to be put in place. Most people in Japan will buy theirs from local toy stores than purchase online and there are many popular Japanese online retailers like Digitamin and M's Plus who AFAIK don't ship abroad.

    Also note that AmiAmi were still listing box-damaged bargain bin C3PO and Stormtrooper kits the moment the ban went in effect and, as said before, Bandai's other SW merch were unaffected. Was the demand for these low enough that the company decided not to prohibit overseas sales?

    As for alternatives, there's always the stores based in HK or China and, while less convenient, eBay.
     
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  40. hugescale

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    Here is just some information on the legal Situation in Germany, which is the same in most other countries too.

    Fine Molds had and Bandai has the license to sell their kits in Japan (Asia Market). They are not allowed to sell their kits to retailers or customers in other countries. The Japanese retailers are not allowed to sell the kits in other countries.

    In Germany it is allowed to import those kits for private use from private persons. It is not allowed to Import them from a commercial retailer. If customs see that it is Star Wars and that there might be a violation of the license, they sent the products to an attorney representing Disney (or in the past Lucas Film). In that case, if Disney does not destroy the product they will lose the license and everybody can do what they want. I know this sound ridiculous, but this is American law! For example, if you could proof that Disney allowed one garage kit to be sold, they were no longer able to do anything against any garage kits.
    (George Lucas himself confirmed this in public). I talked to the German attorney from Lucas Film and he confirmed this too! He did not say it, but it was clear that he and Lucas Film had no interest to go after the kits that were imported from private persons, but they will sure go after "Commercial importers". So the best thing for him is just not to know about private imports.
    In the past, most custom employees did not care about those imports. Lucas Film or Disney had not been notified and everybody was happy. (Importing those kits is and was illegal. Nothing had happened, because nobody had interest to do anything against it.)

    Now Disney wants (or have been pushed by some else) to limits those imports. They write a notification to German customs and then customs have knowledge. They have to send these kits to the Disney attorney. The Disney attorney has now the choice between destroying the product and losing the license.

    If you do know a private person in Japan, it is absolutely legal that he sends you as many kits you want and nobody can do anything against it.
    If you do not know a person in Japan and if you want to take the risk to order from a Japanese retailer my advice / proposal to reduce the risk is:
    Order in small quantities per item (e.g. not 5 x-wings at the time). Nobody will suspect you to be a commercial retailer. If you get information that customs want to check on your kits, contact them instantly. Do not lose any time. I know that you will be upset, but be very polite and friendly and asked them to contact the attorney via phone, not via E-Mail. As long as nothing has been written down, most likely the attorney will say “no interest, just give this guy his kits.”

    Michael
     
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  41. Galactican

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    This is exactly what I meant when I was talking about "import ban". In the worst case the item is destroyed; and no, the customer is not able to get his / her money back from the retailer. A friend of mine mentioned a case where this happened to a 1:1 scale R2 kit that was imported from the US (worth: 5000 $). Money gone, item destroyed.
     
  42. spinner 44

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    In Spain Customs Officers no longer do that when a individual is the person receiving merchandise. They simply haven't got enough people working. You present your invoice, no need to detail what items are (on top of that the customs office and the wharehouse is half a mile apart and carried by subcontractors).

    My only concern is having the kits shipped to me. If hlj cuts the supplies I guess I'll find a way via ebay (the bad thing about that is that it would be hard to buy several kits at the same time or making preorders)
     
  43. haderach

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    Good possibility Revell is causing a fuss. They probably paid a lot to get access to the Fine Molds kits and may be trying to protect their investment. That said, let's hope it's this:

    http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/597?articleID=167271

    Diamond Comics just got the exclusive distribution rights for Bandai in the U.S. Here is hoping it just has to do with this. Either way I'll pay double for a Bandai kit on eBay vs. a Revell branded Fine Molds kit.It will be really unfortunate if we're forced to pay aftermarket prices for the Bandai kits in the years to come. It's amazing how many great kits they've done in this short amount of time and I can't wait to see what they do in the years to come - so many amazing models yet to be seen!
     
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  44. stopeverything

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    So is it ALL SW kits or just TFA?
     
  45. tengel07

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    All star wars kits cannot be ordered by HobbySearch and AmiAmi - since last Friday. HLJ has the order open at the moment, because there is no update of the website over the weekend.
    amiami bandai star wars item list: http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=Bandai+star+wars&submit=Search&pagemax=40

    Hobbysearch star wars item list:http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/1908/0/1
    BR Torsten
     
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  46. newmagrathea

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    Good find!!!!! There is hope guys. While doesn't specifically list Star Wars kits it does make sense that Japanese retailers would be cut off. I'm guessing that there will be a gap in availability because Diamond Comic Distributors is a distributor and not a retailer. US retailers will have to pick up those kits and offer them, this means we could see them in local hobby stores. Only time will tell.
     
  47. sqbiedoo

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    Just placed a pre-order on eBay for a Bandai millenium Falcon, payed for it and let see how it unfolds.
    Hope for the best.
     
  48. Roboted

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    Im in the UK aswell, Im the ElusiveRobertTheodore from facebook. I hope Parcel force and royal mail are just to undetstaffed to care about model kits. If this isnt a mirror for the empire i dont know. its like communism :(
     
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  49. Jedi2016

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    There's the internet... I'm sure I can make do if I want to get one. I am definitely eyeballing the Falcon model.

    I wonder what their reasoning is for this, though. Overseas sales means more money. Even if there's some licensing or copyright stuff involved with other companies selling here in the States, they're covered as long as they don't sell overseas directly... third parties can do whatever they want.
     
  50. hugescale

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    Re: Attention: BANDAI may stop selling kits outside Japan

    I used to work for a company producing airships. (Btw.: The picture of my Avatar was taken during a test when I was inside the envelope. Yes, inside the envelope, not the passenger gondola). Revell approached us because they wanted to do a model of the Zeppelin NT. I was in contact with them to provide the data and references and have checked the test runs.
    Anyway, one time I talked to some Revell employees regarding Star Wars kits. I asked them how Revell Germany sees the fact that many people Import Fine Molds kits from Japan. They replied that they do not care. The number of kits Fine Molds produces is far to low to do any harm to Revell. In Addition Fine Molds customers do also buy Revell kits. They said that those imports have almost no Impact on Revell sales.
    You might be right, maybe Revell was involved. From my experience with Revell Germany, I do not think that they are responsible.
    Michael
     

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