Exactly. The first 15 minutes of Star Wars let's you know just how tiny the galaxy really is.
Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?
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Exactly. The first 15 minutes of Star Wars let's you know just how tiny the galaxy really is.
There's a stark difference between "coincidence" and "contrivance".
Coincidence or the Force acting? Both could look the same.
Again I didn't think the movie was awful, it was just disappointing that they pretty much just remade ANH.
Again I didn't think the movie was awful, it was just disappointing that they pretty much just remade ANH.
JD
Master Member
I'm not too worried about the 'coincidence' factor - maybe this movie had a little bit more than normal - if I'm considering coincidence the same as the rest of you. Kathleen Kennedy's little story about 'coincidence' certainly makes me feel all things are possible.
Inflation adjusted not so much, not top twenty just yet...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
Also amazingly.......
Disney's stock downgraded as 'Star Wars' passes and cord-cutting fears linger
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/di...sses-and-cord-cutting-fears-linger-2016-01-05
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
Also amazingly.......
Disney's stock downgraded as 'Star Wars' passes and cord-cutting fears linger
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/di...sses-and-cord-cutting-fears-linger-2016-01-05
Zombie_61
Master Member
Picky, picky, picky. :lol
And 3PO looked fat.
Inflation should always be accounted for. Going to the cinema then for a buck or two and getting across the 1 billion mark is not the same as today's 10+ dollar ticket prices reaching to the billion mark.
robn1
Master Member
Agreed. I just paid $20 for one ticket at an RPX theater. For that money I could have seen ROTJ four times in '83 in 70mm THX.
matty matt
Sr Member
Regarding the inflation thing, I think you also need to remember that before the 1980's there was no home video, so if you wanted to see a movie at all you had to go to the theater. TFA will be on blu-ray/digital in a few months. Movies used to stay in the theater for years and then have periodic re-releases. I usually don't even go to the theater but I did for Star Wars. I guess my point is, that things are different nowadays and it's hard to make apple to apple comparisons.
It's true that films back then stayed in theater longer, but also bear in mind the population was smaller, there was like 100 million LESS Americans in 1977, so a third less potential customers, and there were less theaters, certainly less megaplexes.
SW was shown typically at ONE local theater as an exclusive, you had to get in line and be willing at first at least..to wait hours to get a good seat.
TFA may be selling tickets hand over fist for a while now, but it will never come close to the utter phenomenon that SW77 was.
And as for international market, yeah that wasn't happening much back then. A film that bombed here bombed, it didn't get saved by a huge showing in China like some films today do.
SW was shown typically at ONE local theater as an exclusive, you had to get in line and be willing at first at least..to wait hours to get a good seat.
TFA may be selling tickets hand over fist for a while now, but it will never come close to the utter phenomenon that SW77 was.
And as for international market, yeah that wasn't happening much back then. A film that bombed here bombed, it didn't get saved by a huge showing in China like some films today do.
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That's also very true. Film distribution is an entirely different animal today than it was then. Before, films were released in so many theaters across the country, and would do "tours" from town to town thereafter. But now, films just don't open here on same days but in London, Shanghai, Paris and all over internationally. With that market now, just to recoup costs, most films now seem to be screened overseas just to get the international money so that, if it's a success there, it's all gravy homebound.
A part of me really wishes it were more isolated like before. That way if something tanked, studios knew what would and wouldn't sell rather than just continuously crank garbage because there was a cultural and language barrier that filtered out crap we understand and won't put up with that some audiences may not.
A part of me really wishes it were more isolated like before. That way if something tanked, studios knew what would and wouldn't sell rather than just continuously crank garbage because there was a cultural and language barrier that filtered out crap we understand and won't put up with that some audiences may not.
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chrisd
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I agree 100%! it wasn't a bad movie, it just wasn't different enough to be a great movie.
Also look at many of the big international money makers, and how many are utter crap or simply utterly unremarkable at all, just so so sequels...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
I think it's more about emerging markets, marketing methods, demographics, than of course... how fantastic a film actually is.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
I think it's more about emerging markets, marketing methods, demographics, than of course... how fantastic a film actually is.
gonk27
Sr Member
Understanding, 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' by Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, Ph.D.
To fully understand The Force Awakens, we must first be fluent with its meaning, themes and cinematography, then ask two questions: 1) How artfully has the objective of the movie been rendered and 2) How important is that objective? Question 1 rates the movie's perfection; question 2 rates its importance. And once these questions have been answered, determining The Force Awakens' greatness becomes a relatively simple matter.
If the movie's score for perfection is plotted on the horizontal of a graph and its importance is plotted on the vertical, then calculating the total area of the movie yields the measure of its greatness.
Return of the Jedi might score high on the vertical but only average on the horizontal. Star Wars: A New Hope, on the other hand, would score high both horizontally and vertically, yielding a massive total area, thereby revealing the movie to be truly great. As you proceed to consider The Force Awakens, practice this rating method. As your ability to evaluate movies in this matter grows, so will your enjoyment and understanding of movies.
I give Force Awakens a 42, but I can't dance to it.
To fully understand The Force Awakens, we must first be fluent with its meaning, themes and cinematography, then ask two questions: 1) How artfully has the objective of the movie been rendered and 2) How important is that objective? Question 1 rates the movie's perfection; question 2 rates its importance. And once these questions have been answered, determining The Force Awakens' greatness becomes a relatively simple matter.
If the movie's score for perfection is plotted on the horizontal of a graph and its importance is plotted on the vertical, then calculating the total area of the movie yields the measure of its greatness.
Return of the Jedi might score high on the vertical but only average on the horizontal. Star Wars: A New Hope, on the other hand, would score high both horizontally and vertically, yielding a massive total area, thereby revealing the movie to be truly great. As you proceed to consider The Force Awakens, practice this rating method. As your ability to evaluate movies in this matter grows, so will your enjoyment and understanding of movies.
I give Force Awakens a 42, but I can't dance to it.
cayman shen
Master Member
Yaaaawp!
Kyuzo
Active Member
Yeah ok good points, but Mad Max was also so much better. It was far better than any mad max movie done before. I agree that this partly is because they didn't have the SW level of pressure so they did dare to put furiosa in the driver's seat rather than max for example
To me all this fan service is killing the franchise. Give us something new. Its just me but I also got a bit disappointed when lucas replaced jarjar with boba fett in aotc. Like be brave, don't start givibg people what you think they'll like give them what you like!Similar threads
