Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?

[JediCarl]

Many of you have a lot to learn about why CHARACTER-driven movies make the difference and connect with people.

Every single nitpick and gripe I've seen about this movie has to do with trivial plot elements or minutiae. That's completely missing the point. The dumb Poe/Wedge meme in this thread is a perfect example. Poe Dameron is already a more developed and interesting character than Wedge Antilles ever was in the films.

That said, this is a return to Star Wars that is focused on characters you care about and filled with genuine drama, pathos, and humor above a 2nd Grade level. All of that is a good thing and separates it from the prequels. But go ahead and bent out of shape over the trivial stuff.

 

[KrangPrime]

So if a fourth death star appeared in episode 8, you'd have no problem with it? ';o)


in the original trilogies, they didn't care about the secondary characters as much, and wedge, at best, was a secondary character. it took the books to really flesh him out into something.

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It had to be said...
http://i.imgur.com/ne0n3M4.jpg

in that image he kind of looks like an older, fatter faced wedge.

 

[JediCarl]

Poe Dameron > Wedge Antilles. All day, every day. Even the actor (Oscar Isaac) is immeasurably better. Let's be real.

Moving on...


Of course I'd prefer not to have another super weapon subplot. But if the characters, performances, tone and drama are right then I won't care that much. It's far from the most important thing.

That said, that's not going to happen. Rian Johnson is going to deliver a very different type of a Star Wars movie, story-wise. And watch the people bashing TFA for having too many mirrors to the OT be the first to complain about that, too. :lol

 

[KrangPrime]

I guess I'm more skeptical than that. I think it was Disney pandering to the people who hated the Prequels while trying to reboot for a new generation of fans. They essentially reset all the main characters. Leia is back with the Rebels. Han is a smuggler again. Luke is alone again (and not doing his job making a new Jedi Order...). That's why they followed the ANH formula almost scene for scene. Yeah some stuff is new, but they literally made a scene with a lightsaber in a box just like ANH! I get why some people didn't like the Prequels. I did, though I agree about a lot of the faults. At least there was new content there. I can actually remember the names of the planets in those movies. Coming out of TFA, all I know is Jakku and that's only because I heard the name before the movie. They just aren't memorable like the other SW movies. Are SW fans that dull that if you throw in some familiar characters, X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Millennium Falcon, and some explosions and they'll just cheer and eat it up? It looks like it from here.

that's how rebels feels. unlike the clone wars animated series, there is no meat to it. the most interesting episode so far was where yoda and darth vader showed up.

I mean, the entire arc of season one was where ezra was looking for his parents. and in the episode where he finds out what happens to them....that's literally it. he finds out what happens, reacts for a second, and boom, episode over. no big climax, no drama, no nothing. even the reaction was kind of ho hum...they are dead. ok, lets move on!
it all just feels kind of flat and lacking fun.

the prequel trilogies where flat with non existant acting......but at least they tried to be fun. the Fett/ObiWan chase proved that.

 

[Bryancd]

Some of the things I have to say may be said allready. don't know, didnt read all the 9 previous pages.

This movie was made for the big no brainer audience, that want to have a good night in the theater, want great special effects, a good laugh and don't bother to much about the story.
Biggest problem I have with TFA is that it mocks the intelligence of the dedicated star Wars fans that do think about everything around it.

Of course in every SW there are arguments of things physically not possible. Here are the BIG issues in this one:

1. The Star Killer planet uses the energy of a whole sun each time. How did it charge the 1st time? The only reason why the whole sun is sucked up is probably because one of the writers said: "It would be cool to kill Han Solo at the moment the last light of the sun disappears, so it'll be a metaphor for the full transition to the dark side of Kylo Ren". And everybody involved said:"yeah that's cool, let's move on to the next scene". Thus a string of impossible things was created:

2. All the matter of the sun is sucked into the heart of the planet. This means the gravitational pull of the planet will increase so dramatically during intake, everyone will get squashed like grapes. It will be impossible for the Millennium Falcon to escape it's gravity.

3. The matter of the sun is so condensed in the heart of the planet, it might turn into a black hole, imploding the whole planet.

4. When the power of the sun at the end can no longer be controlled, it releases gradually, giving our hero's the time to escape. It would go supernova in an instance in my honest opinion.

5. When the sun's power is released, it doesn't go supernova, but just becomes a sun a bit bigger than the planet. There's no huge amounts of matter released into space. It was a SUN, thousands and thousands times bigger than a rocky planet. Where did the rest go?

1. It has been confirmed the base moves, so it charged using the energy of another star we didn't see for that first shot.
2-5. I took it as energy, not matter. Energy doesn't have mass.

 

[batguy]

Anakin: "Now THIS is Pod Racing!"

This may be annoying in a SW movie but it sounds like a real kid. If they had written Anakin to sound pleasing to the adult audience 100% of the time he probably would have seemed less realistic for a kid his age.

 

[tripoli]

" I took it as energy, not matter. Energy doesn't have mass."

Energy = Mass Times the constant squared. Yes, energy has mass. Energy IS matter.

 

[knievel]

1. It has been confirmed the base moves, so it charged using the energy of another star we didn't see for that first shot.
2-5. I took it as energy, not matter. Energy doesn't have mass.

point 1. How do you move an entire planet to another solar system in no time? you can't just make things right by making a quote in the movie and the audience go: "oh, okay, that makes sense now!"...

Point 2. Is that quoted in the movie too or is that your explanation of things? You can't convert all the mass of something into energy if you want to. Only a tiny fraction of mass is lost in nuclear fusion. Yet we see the whole sun disappear into the planet, hence it's mass. We see only a fraction coming out being mass. Not a supernova of biblical proportions with all that mass converted to energy as you say released at once.

 

[CessnaDriver]

SW was already not scientifically realistic and it's gotten even less so with this Starkiller silliness.
Don't torture yourselves. Astro physics is just very different there.

 

[Solo4114]

To be fair, Star Wars has never, ever been concerned with scientific plausibility. Lightsabres, blasters, sound in space, ships flying as if they're in an atmosphere, hyperspace, etc. it all doesn't really bear up to a lot of close scrutiny to see whether it could be done the way it's depicted in the films.

 

[CessnaDriver]

I'll say the fun science value of SW is pointing out all the science errors.

Even as a kid watching the movies I knew a lot was whacked.
I remember watching ESB... why is there what appears to be 1G gravity inside a worm on an asteroid?
Enough atmospheric pressure they could get away with those little masks? in what appeared to be
a hollow tube animal? did it pressurize itself somehow?
Why was that galaxy seen from the medical frigate at the end literally turning so fast you could see it in real time? LOL
Because SW and it's cool! Stop thinking so much kid!

 

[dascoyne]

As with every work of fiction my capacity to suspend disbelief through plot holes, inconsistencies and fantasy-science is in direct proportion to the enjoyment I get out of plot and character. That SW doesn't bother me with its fantasy-science and bizarre logic just means the story and characters are strong enough to carry the show for me.

I know X-wings and Tie Fighters shouldn't be making sounds in space but, damn, don't they sound cool in a dogfight?

 

[Darth Lars]

Next up Rogue Squadron, that is my "only hope" right now.

"Rogue One"... and I wonder what that refers to.

In the old continuity, it was Luke Skywalker who formed Rogue Squadron - and would therefore have been called "Rogue One" ... but he can't possibly be in this movie.
It looks like yet another case of revisionism, reusing a familiar phrase for something completely else .... *sigh*

I read Dennis Lawson was asked to do a cameo but he refused. I've heard he's a bit of a tool but who knows...

He said he was disappointed that it was only supposed to be a cameo, like with Ackbar and Nien Nunb.

Personally, I think those cameos were ridiculous. Ackbar seemed to me like he was very old already in ROTJ and should now - if he even was alive still - be living either a good life as a retiree or be at the top of the military command structure, not in a rag-tag guerilla group.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Well I think the canon is he was brought out of retirement at Leia's request but I may be wrong on that. He sounded older for sure, although that could be because his voice actor, Erik Bauersfeld, is 93 now. Lol!

 

[crabra comander]

If you go buy the TFA dictionary you'll learn about all the mumbo jumbo that could never happen in the real world, then talk about all of it with your big brained friends.

Apparently it was phantom energy, obviously phantom energy has no mass

 

[CessnaDriver]

Yes sorry "Rogue One". I knew that. really!
I also fight to not spell it Rouge. I should have it down by the time the moive comes out.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

point 1. How do you move an entire planet to another solar system in no time? you can't just make things right by making a quote in the movie and the audience go: "oh, okay, that makes sense now!"...
...

Yes, you can. But it is always better to show the audience what they need to believe for a movie to work. This is called "suspension of disbelief", which is an essential element in writing a fantasy movie or any other movie that is not a documentary.

GL did it twice. Once in ANH where Obi-Wan explained the Force. And then again in Episode 1 where Obi-Wan measured the Midichlorian count in Anakins blood. Oh, wait ...

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If you go buy the TFA dictionary you'll learn about all the mumbo jumbo that could never happen in the real world, then talk about all of it with your big brained friends.

Apparently it was phantom energy, obviously phantom energy has no mass

No, it of course was Dark Matter. Do you really think that the great leader Snoke would use anything less than Dark Matter?

 

[Rylo]

Why wasn't this thread merged like the last "hated it" thread? It's exactly the same thread with nearly an identical title, but has been left alone.

I was rather enjoying the other one before it was merged with the post release 'love fest' thread.

-Rylo

 

[The Wook]

Why wasn't this thread merged like the last "hated it" thread? It's exactly the same thread with nearly an identical title, but has been left alone.

I was rather enjoying the other one before it was merged with the post release 'love fest' thread.

-Rylo

Whatever the reason, we thank the Mods for allowing this thread to exist independently from the monster TFA lovefest thread.

The Wook

 

[robn1]

well, wedge DID have a better set dresser....

And a better director of photography.