Accident on the set of Rust.
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JPH
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Wow! This thread just keeps on giving.
Pure internet gold!
Thanks y'all!!!
And in no way am I making light of the tragedy that occurred on the set, but all the commentary is giving my abs an amazing workout from the laughing.
Heres a little clue.
If Baldwin goes to court, right, a big *if* especially if the starstrucks get their way or if he doesnt plead out, the court will COMPARTMENTALIZE what Baldwin did. Prosecutors will not focus on what others did because they dont need to. It has zero bearing on this case. The defense can point fingers all they want, but no one would have died *but for * Baldwin's negligence.
That is incontrovertible.
B....b...but blah blah blah, the crowd murmurs...
And what I am saying is a big NO DUH. So, too bad, so sad. :*(
All the people who that think Baldwin can get away with dispersing blame, joo are gonna be in for a ruuuuuuude awakening, baby! Unless he can use connections and get preferential treatment, which would be an abuse.
***place meme of Steven Colbert wearing 3D glasses and eating popcorn here**,
Once Baldwin received the gun, it became HIS, and his ALONE. The history of the gun is irrelevant. Whether it wasnt cleaned properly seven years ago or it was used to rob a liquor store twenty years ago, even if he received it FULLY LOADED...IRELEVANT
He is obligated to check the weapon on multiple levels.
You can debate it all you like, but by now everyone here KNOWS the rules. Checking the gun IS A REQUIREMENT. There is NO EXCUSE. He HAS TO/IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IT. He is also to NEVER to point it at anyone. He was trained NEVER to do so.
End.... done...se acabo.... fin...
So, arguing this issue, round and round in circles to your heart's content, is just wishful thinking. He HAS to check the weapon. It isnt a courtesy, it isnt something he can legally opt out, he has been TRAINED on basic gun safety. So all the tangential BS might makes some folks feel better, but it has ZERO bearing on what happened. HE ACCEPTED THE GUN.
This isnt like accepting car with squishy brakes, this is a gun, with its OWN UNIQUE set of rules.
So, "but so-n-so told me it was okay," is no defense. That is what CHILDREN do.
B...but he's Alec Baldwin! ALEC, CALL ME!!! No defense.
But for had Mr Baldwin's checked his firearm there would NOT have a been a fatal shooting on that day. Indisputable.
***mmm, popcorn***
But for had Mr Baldwin NOT pointed HIS gun at another human on the set that day, there would NOT have been a fatal shooting.
Had Mr. Baldwin follow his obligations AND his training to properly handle a gun, this entire, senseless death, would NOT have occurred.
Beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond a preponderance of the evidence even, no one would have died if Baldwin had checked and handled the gun as he had contractually agreed to, as he was TRAINED to, and as he was OBLIGATED.
This doesnt even have to be presented in legalize, its common sense.
But thank you for playing.
No one would have died but for his actions.
Will the weaponsmaster go on trial for neglect? Maybe, but so what, she wasnt the one pointing guns at people.
Awaiting people trying to reset the discussion and start it all over again in 3....
2....
1....
Pure internet gold!
Thanks y'all!!!
And in no way am I making light of the tragedy that occurred on the set, but all the commentary is giving my abs an amazing workout from the laughing.
Heres a little clue.
If Baldwin goes to court, right, a big *if* especially if the starstrucks get their way or if he doesnt plead out, the court will COMPARTMENTALIZE what Baldwin did. Prosecutors will not focus on what others did because they dont need to. It has zero bearing on this case. The defense can point fingers all they want, but no one would have died *but for * Baldwin's negligence.
That is incontrovertible.
B....b...but blah blah blah, the crowd murmurs...
And what I am saying is a big NO DUH. So, too bad, so sad. :*(
All the people who that think Baldwin can get away with dispersing blame, joo are gonna be in for a ruuuuuuude awakening, baby! Unless he can use connections and get preferential treatment, which would be an abuse.
***place meme of Steven Colbert wearing 3D glasses and eating popcorn here**,
Once Baldwin received the gun, it became HIS, and his ALONE. The history of the gun is irrelevant. Whether it wasnt cleaned properly seven years ago or it was used to rob a liquor store twenty years ago, even if he received it FULLY LOADED...IRELEVANT
He is obligated to check the weapon on multiple levels.
You can debate it all you like, but by now everyone here KNOWS the rules. Checking the gun IS A REQUIREMENT. There is NO EXCUSE. He HAS TO/IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IT. He is also to NEVER to point it at anyone. He was trained NEVER to do so.
End.... done...se acabo.... fin...
So, arguing this issue, round and round in circles to your heart's content, is just wishful thinking. He HAS to check the weapon. It isnt a courtesy, it isnt something he can legally opt out, he has been TRAINED on basic gun safety. So all the tangential BS might makes some folks feel better, but it has ZERO bearing on what happened. HE ACCEPTED THE GUN.
This isnt like accepting car with squishy brakes, this is a gun, with its OWN UNIQUE set of rules.
So, "but so-n-so told me it was okay," is no defense. That is what CHILDREN do.
B...but he's Alec Baldwin! ALEC, CALL ME!!! No defense.
But for had Mr Baldwin's checked his firearm there would NOT have a been a fatal shooting on that day. Indisputable.
***mmm, popcorn***
But for had Mr Baldwin NOT pointed HIS gun at another human on the set that day, there would NOT have been a fatal shooting.
Had Mr. Baldwin follow his obligations AND his training to properly handle a gun, this entire, senseless death, would NOT have occurred.
Beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond a preponderance of the evidence even, no one would have died if Baldwin had checked and handled the gun as he had contractually agreed to, as he was TRAINED to, and as he was OBLIGATED.
This doesnt even have to be presented in legalize, its common sense.
But thank you for playing.
No one would have died but for his actions.
Will the weaponsmaster go on trial for neglect? Maybe, but so what, she wasnt the one pointing guns at people.
Awaiting people trying to reset the discussion and start it all over again in 3....
2....
1....
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I had a professor once that told me that education is fantastic, but the problem comes when people are educated beyond their intelligence.
I don't drink, but I owe that man a beer.
I don't drink, but I owe that man a beer.
The problem around here always seems to be, that some people *think* they are more intelligent than they really are, lol. Or more importantly, they assume they are the most intelligent in the room.
Wow! This thread just keeps on giving.
Pure internet gold!
Thanks y'all!!!
And in no way am I making light of the tragedy that occurred on the set, but all the commentary is giving my abs an amazing workout from the laughing.
Heres a little clue.
If Baldwin goes to court, right, a big *if* especially if the starstrucks get their way or if he doesnt plead out, the court will COMPARTMENTALIZE what Baldwin did. Prosecutors will not focus on what others did because they dont need to. It has zero bearing on this case. The defense can point fingers all they want, but no one would have died *but for * Baldwin's negligence.
That is incontrovertible.
B....b...but blah blah blah, the crowd murmurs...
And what I am saying is a big NO DUH. So, too bad, so sad. :*(
All the people who that think Baldwin can get away with dispersing blame, joo are gonna be in for a ruuuuuuude awakening, baby! Unless he can use connections and get preferential treatment, which would be an abuse.
***place meme of Steven Colbert wearing 3D glasses and eating popcorn here**,
Once Baldwin received the gun, it became HIS, and his ALONE. The history of the gun is irrelevant. Whether it wasnt cleaned properly seven years ago or it was used to rob a liquor store twenty years ago, even if he received it FULLY LOADED...IRELEVANT
He is obligated to check the weapon on multiple levels.
You can debate it all you like, but by now everyone here KNOWS the rules. Checking the gun IS A REQUIREMENT. There is NO EXCUSE. He HAS TO/IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IT. He is also to NEVER to point it at anyone. He was trained NEVER to do so.
End.... done...se acabo.... fin...
So, arguing this issue, round and round in circles to your heart's content, is just wishful thinking. He HAS to check the weapon. It isnt a courtesy, it isnt something he can legally opt out, he has been TRAINED on basic gun safety. So all the tangential BS might makes some folks feel better, but it has ZERO bearing on what happened. HE ACCEPTED THE GUN.
This isnt like accepting car with squishy brakes, this is a gun, with its OWN UNIQUE set of rules.
So, "but so-n-so told me it was okay," is no defense. That is what CHILDREN do.
B...but he's Alec Baldwin! ALEC, CALL ME!!! No defense.
But for had Mr Baldwin's checked his firearm there would NOT have a been a fatal shooting on that day. Indisputable.
***mmm, popcorn***
But for had Mr Baldwin NOT pointed HIS gun at another human on the set that day, there would NOT have been a fatal shooting.
Had Mr. Baldwin follow his obligations AND his training to properly handle a gun, this entire, senseless death, would NOT have occurred.
Beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond a preponderance of the evidence even, no one would have died if Baldwin had checked and handled the gun as he had contractually agreed to, as he was TRAINED to, and as he was OBLIGATED.
This doesnt even have to be presented in legalize, its common sense.
But thank you for playing.
No one would have died but for his actions.
Will the weaponsmaster go on trial for neglect? Maybe, but so what, she wasnt the one pointing guns at people.
Awaiting people trying to reset the discussion and start it all over again in 3....
2....
1....
Any valid points you may have are lost with the way you present them. And for the record you may not have made light of the tragedy but instead you have, time and again I might add, used a tragedy to win an argument on the Internet. Congratulations JPH. You've accomplished next level status as the type of talking head on news media that does nothing more than virtue signal themselves to try and prop up their perceived moral superiority. Good for you buddy. You've won the hearts of therpf.
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And with that… YOU…. Have WON on the internet!
JPH
Sr Member
Wow! That fence must have really left you scarred.
And how many moral ju-juitsu attempts is that ?
The only ones making light of a woman's avoidable death are those trying to rationalize a valid reason for Baldwin to avoid a significant consequence. Heck! Some of you want him to become an advocate!
Completely indefensible.
Don't worry, I understand team Baldwin has no valid points.
JPH
Sr Member
For Shame! Guns can also be metal! Some have wood in them, or even resin! 3d printed!
What you are saying makes wayyyy too much sense for those trying to absolve a killer. It didnt effect their family!
I keep wondering, what gun expert would suicide their career and testify that actors don't need to check their weapon. Gotta be a retired or someone who never plans on working in the film industry again. I am confident the list of weaponsmasters who, under oath, would point out Baldwin as the guilty party is... LIKE JUSTABOUT ALLOF EM!!!
I never defended Baldwin.
I also don't understand your need to lord your opinion over others going so far as to gloat about some perceived victory either and you've done that a number of times. That speaks volumes about you and does nothing to bolster any valid ideas you might have.
So you can double down and further alienate your fellow board members or perhaps you could do some self reflection and remember this entire situation is not about, YOU.
Have some respect for the dead.
I also don't understand your need to lord your opinion over others going so far as to gloat about some perceived victory either and you've done that a number of times. That speaks volumes about you and does nothing to bolster any valid ideas you might have.
So you can double down and further alienate your fellow board members or perhaps you could do some self reflection and remember this entire situation is not about, YOU.
Have some respect for the dead.
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Unless you solely blame him, and you are still acknowledging the others who were also to blame, then some here think you are wrong. To them this case is black & white and they don’t see the gray area. Then there are the rational ones here that realize this case has many layers that the prosecutor will need to comb through and determine the course of action.
JPH
Sr Member
Ignoring "valid" points because you don't like the way there were presented *IS* a defense. duh.
It is very convenient and lazy tactic to avoid truths with "I'm offended." So, the message is valid, but it wasn't served on a shiny enough plate? You are going to let that skew your opinion on a wrongful death? Wow.
Double speak only works on people who can't detect it.
JPH
Sr Member
Years ago, friend of mine had his wife he had just seperated from killed by a man who did not set up air brakes on a large vehicle he was towing, he could not stop and crashed into her car. She was a school teacher and it made local news. I went to the funeral.
He ultimately went to prison for a while, and the company had to pay quite a bit of money into their two little girls trust.
Of course he didn't mean to kill her, it was an "accident" and whether he had enough training or not I do not know but she
was still dead either way.
So some time has passed and some details have come out about this shooting and it's clear there was gross negligence by people that
were paid to know better.
We'll see what happens.
He ultimately went to prison for a while, and the company had to pay quite a bit of money into their two little girls trust.
Of course he didn't mean to kill her, it was an "accident" and whether he had enough training or not I do not know but she
was still dead either way.
So some time has passed and some details have come out about this shooting and it's clear there was gross negligence by people that
were paid to know better.
We'll see what happens.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
A Carnival Of Errors Led To Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Shooting
“The safety protocols are only as good as the people following them,” one armorer said.
PumpkinKing
Active Member
In other news, Water=Wet, no new info here. This thread is irrelevant until actual new evidence or info is released. The back and forth lost its charm about 400 posts ago…A Carnival Of Errors Led To Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Shooting
“The safety protocols are only as good as the people following them,” one armorer said.www.huffpost.com
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