Accident on the set of Rust.

[mattycsi]

Just to clarify; this number includes blank, dummy rounds and live rounds. I have not heard the number of live (real cartridges) recovered.

Yeah, I know, my heart still goes out to the guy that had to photo, bag, tag, and document them all.

 

[batguy]

And to think that a simple one-two second weapon check would have prevented all of this and saved a life.

Or maybe some other actor/stuntman on that set would have accidentally killed somebody an hour later.

AB's fatal incident was not the only accidental weapon discharge on that set. AB wasn't the only person to do it. Larger problem.

 

[robstyle]

The accidental discharge prior I assume were blanks. Were those due to the user being careless or the weapon itself being improperly handled. Keep in mind we're talking western weapons.

500 rounds isn't excessive depending on the amount of gunfire to be filmed. On location you're expected to be prepared with back ups and whatever the production has budgeted for. It's not uncommon for any department to have excess and extra materials/expendables, gear or equipment.

That single live bullet though.
One scenario could be if the weapon in question was used as claimed with live bullets/rounds prior, that single live bullet could have been left in the cylinder. That would be carelessness of the person using, handling, inspecting, loading.... That weapon before, during and up the moment it was handed off as a cold weapon.

 

[nightwind1]

False. I’m assuming you’re be facetious, but in case you’re not. Who would be doing the disallowing? and what would the purpose be?

Wrong:

Answer to How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin? by Nelson McKeeby How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin?

 

[nightwind1]

I feel bad at having to laugh at your comment, but obviously his family is not standing beside him. I wonder what Alec will say when asked what he is thankful for?

TazMan2000

Adam Baldwin is no relation to Alec Baldwin. Adam is just another loud-mouthed know-nothing.

 

[Psab keel]

-Serial killers
-Medical malpractice
-Twitter Etiquette
-PR statements following a tragedy
-Award shows and House arrest

Let's add those to the list. At this point I'm just here to keep score.

 

[robstyle]

-Serial killers
-Medical malpractice
-Twitter Etiquette
-PR statements following a tragedy
-Award shows and House arrest

Let's add those to the list. At this point I'm just here to keep score.

Oh oh oh,,,, don't forget to add wrong Baldwin to the list.

 

[Dr Jones Sr]

Just to clarify; this number includes blank, dummy rounds and live rounds. I have not heard the number of live (real cartridges) recovered.

Yes, plus the fact that blanks are live and real to the extent that they consist of a shell, primer, and gunpowder and when the trigger is pulled the gunpowder explodes and has to go somewhere. With an automatic weapon the explosion has to have enough force for the weapon to cycle.

As usual with news stories involving firearms the reportage is full of vague and misused terminology.

Why on earth would there be rounds containing bullets anywhere near a film set? If true it's insane negligence.

 

[JPH]

Or maybe some other actor/stuntman on that set would have accidentally killed somebody an hour later.

AB's fatal incident was not the only accidental weapon discharge on that set. AB wasn't the only person to do it. Larger problem.

Except checking your weapon and not pointing it at people are two basic, bare bones, gun fundamentals that would have prevented any injury.


Trigger discipline also comes to mind, but if you knew your gun was empty and didnt point it at folks, any crisis would already have been completely averted.

So, let's add trigger discipline to the list.

I also heard a meteor was headed for the set, so can we add meteor strikes?

Edit: not making fun of the incident but it sounds like they were extremely lax with the most dangerous item they had on set

 

[JPH]

Alec Baldwin shooting: Criminal charges may be filed, prosecutor says

A US prosecutor says "all options are on the table" over the shooting involving actor Alec Baldwin.

www.bbc.com

They recovered 500 rounds of ammunition!
I wanna start a GoFundMe page for the forensics guy. I feel the pain.

Makes me wonder how many rounds were there before the incident. Did any magically go away after the incident, but before the cops; hands scrubbed clean, weapons wiped down, etc..

 

[batguy]

And I suppose ricochets are a myth? Along with people being harmed by reckless usage of blank rounds?

Unplanned discharges happened multiple times on that set. Not by AB. Do you care about gun safety or not?


Go on, execute AB for all I care. I don't know the guy. But it's not enough. No amount of punishment heaped upon AB is enough to make that film set safe. It's an obvious fact, but it seems to drive you crazy.

 

[mattycsi]

Makes me wonder how many rounds were there before the incident. Did any magically go away after the incident, but before the cops; hands scrubbed clean, weapons wiped down, etc..

Thats why you have to recover so many rounds and try and piece it back together forensically as best as possible.

 

[JPH]

And I suppose ricochets are a myth? Along with people being harmed by reckless usage of blank rounds?

Unplanned discharges happened multiple times on that set. Not by AB. Do you care about gun safety or not?


Go on, execute AB for all I care. I don't know the guy. But it's not enough. No amount of punishment heaped upon AB is enough to make that film set safe. It's an obvious fact, but it seems to drive you crazy.

Wow! Chanelling Nathan Lane from the Bird Cage. Do you need a 'pirin"?

You seem to forget *who* was EXECUTED. And by ignoring easily applied, BASIC gun safety.

And yes, we can debate extremely rare probability occurrences all you like, but she wasn't killed by a lightning strike or a piece of debris from the International Space station, she was shot by someone who didnt check their gun, who hired a cheap, inexperienced weaponsmaster.

a ricochet is not human error, not checking your gun, pointing it at someone *IS*.

Thanks for the moral ju-juitsu that I predicted two pages ago.

 

[TazMan2000]

Adam Baldwin is no relation to Alec Baldwin. Adam is just another loud-mouthed know-nothing.

Yes, that was already pointed out. Actually, a lot of actors are loud-mouthed know-nothings. They use their star power to influence their fans on political issues. That is not their role. They are only entertainers. Their opinion is no more less or more important than anyone else's.

TazMan2000

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Yes, that was already pointed out. Actually, a lot of actors are loud-mouthed know-nothings. They use their star power to influence their fans on political issues. That is not their role. They are only entertainers. Their opinion is no more less or more important than anyone else's.

TazMan2000

 

[JPH]

Y"know what.

Maybe the bullet *DID* ricochet. Maybe it ricocheted off one of those plastic SHIELDS they were using to protect the equipment

Wouldn't it be terrible if a piece of equipment was damaged?

***Yes, that was sarcasm, pointing out backwards priorities***

I wish folks put this much energy into defending the victim

 

[Psab keel]

-Presidential assassinations

That was an earlier one I missed.

-Execution

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

It’s amazing how much of this is happening in this Thread.

 

[gregory]

Have Bernie Madoff open with his one-man version of The Producers.
It goes right up there with a Jeffrey Dahlmer cooking class.

I appreciate that even though you are a fan, you want him treated fairly.

Some people are so starstruck that they have gone from reasonable post elsewhere to absolutely losing their POOP over the idea that Baldwin might experience a real consequence. I remember when Boy George was ratted out for his drug use. His fans wanted the snitch DESTROYED --how DARE someone rat out Boy George!! Then Boy George snitched on everyone, and the same fans called him a HERO.

Full decompensation.

Since we agree that Baldwin is guilty, reading from people who claim they "don't want to let him off the hook," desperately try to finagle a means by which he *WOULD BE* let off the hook, might be funny if he didn't KILL someone.

Seriously, it makes me wonder, what does it take for the starstruck to grasp what happened? To flick that switch in their head and understand that he KILLED someone; that the effort you are putting forth to defend his inexcusable act is much better applied supporting his victims.

Have Bernie Madoff open with his one-man version of The Producers.

It goes right up there with a Jeffrey Dahlmer cooking class.

I appreciate that even though you are a fan, you want him treated fairly.

Some people are so starstruck that they have gone from reasonable post elsewhere to absolutely losing their POOP over the idea that Baldwin might experience a real consequence. I remember when Boy George was ratted out for his drug use. His fans wanted the snitch DESTROYED --how DARE someone rat out Boy George!! Then Boy George snitched on everyone, and the same fans called him a HERO.

Full decompensation.

Since we agree that Baldwin is guilty, reading from people who claim they "don't want to let him off the hook," desperately try to finagle a means by which he *WOULD BE* let off the hook, might be funny if he didn't KILL someone.

Seriously, it makes me wonder, what does it take for the starstruck to grasp what happened? To flick that switch in their head and understand that he KILLED someone; that the effort you are putting forth to defend his inexcusable act is much better applied supporting his victims.

The trait consciousness is difficult to nail down even when you’re not dealing with an actor or sociopath personality (I do not intend to conflate the two) We tend to rely on self reporting second hand accounts etc. So with Alec Baldwin I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. We tend to superimpose our own values when we emphasize with the plight of others I was actually worried about Baldwin until he started showing his true colours. Now I reserve my compassion for the true victims. Baldwin is not the victim here regardless of his own personal opinion on the matter.

Have Bernie Madoff open with his one-man version of The Producers.
It goes right up there with a Jeffrey Dahlmer cooking class.

I appreciate that even though you are a fan, you want him treated fairly.

Some people are so starstruck that they have gone from reasonable post elsewhere to absolutely losing their POOP over the idea that Baldwin might experience a real consequence. I remember when Boy George was ratted out for his drug use. His fans wanted the snitch DESTROYED --how DARE someone rat out Boy George!! Then Boy George snitched on everyone, and the same fans called him a HERO.

Full decompensation.

Since we agree that Baldwin is guilty, reading from people who claim they "don't want to let him off the hook," desperately try to finagle a means by which he *WOULD BE* let off the hook, might be funny if he didn't KILL someone.

Seriously, it makes me wonder, what does it take for the starstruck to grasp what happened? To flick that switch in their head and understand that he KILLED someone; that the effort you are putting forth to defend his inexcusable act is much better applied supporting his victims.

Wrong:

Answer to How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin? by Nelson McKeeby How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin?

Tell that to his son who committed suited over the whole thing. Or the several of his victims who also committed suicide. And it wasn’t just rich people. There were thousands of of everyday people who’s retirement we’re in funds with Madoff. He deserved every year he got!

I agree about Bernie (not saying that for effect) How many years should Alec Baldwin get? Anything south of 100 would imply that money was more important than a young woman’s life.

I’m sure you can explain to her son that Baldwin should be a Crusader and not be held to account because he is special

 

[DarthWilder]

-Presidential assassinations

That was an earlier one I missed.

-Execution

It’s amazing how much of this is happening in this Thread.

Might as well add "climate change" now, too!